The State of ESO.

SnubbS

What is the state of ESO? I haven't played this game since November 2017, I stopped because small-scale and solo pvp weren't fun due to either a lack of damage, or everyone I'm fighting being tanks.

So 19 months later, has anything changed? Is damage still not high enough and/or is everyone a tank? Is the PvP performance still the worst performance of any AAA game released in the last decade?

Ohtimbar

Performance and stability are still abysmal and tankiness does indeed still rule the day. Teamwork can overcome the latter. The new super weapons are intended to bust up immortal ball groups and that sort of thing, though I have not tried it/them yet.

Someone else would have to comment on solo pvp.

ArchMikem

I mean if you want to write off the entire game just cause PvP has issues, you can....

oXI_Viper_IXo

PvP performance is at least as bad as it's ever been, if not worse.

VaranisArano

The only thing that's significantly changed about PVP performance is that Imperial City is now a separate campaign, so if you enjoyed IC it is now much easier to access (and, for the moment, more populated).

Cyrodiil still has lag and significant combat-breaking bugs. The 30-day Campaigns are now Faction Locked, but that hasn't much impacted primetime performance from my perspective.

Battlegrounds still has queue bugs and MMR issues.

Muzzick

There was some super tanky player in BG today my whole group together didn't cause any damage at all

FearlessOne_2014

As a mage at heart. I am very unhappy with the state of ESO.

ZOS may not care about losing most of their mage-at-heart playerbase. But I bet titles like GW2 or FFXIV or even BDO for fwks sakes, would be more than happy to suck up the ESO Mage refugees.

SirAxen

I play daily with no issues, for what that is worth. Both pvp and pve. PC/NA.

zyk

SnubbS wrote: »

What is the state of ESO? I haven't played this game since November 2017, I stopped because small-scale and solo pvp weren't fun due to either a lack of damage, or everyone I'm fighting being tanks.

So 19 months later, has anything changed? Is damage still not high enough and/or is everyone a tank? Is the PvP performance still the worst performance of any AAA game released in the last decade?

The tank meta is more prevalent than ever and server performance is worse than ever.

But if you're into TES themed MMO cosmetics that you can loot from RNG crates you buy with cash, then it's the GREATEST GAME EVER!!! By far.

SnubbS

Thanks for all the responses.

Ohtimbar wrote: »

Performance and stability are still abysmal and tankiness does indeed still rule the day. Teamwork can overcome the latter. The new super weapons are intended to bust up immortal ball groups and that sort of thing, though I have not tried it/them yet.

Someone else would have to comment on solo pvp.

I've heard about the super-weapons, when I played the game I was apart of a ball group, usually 12-14 running full meta ball zerg builds, if those weapons spawn at certain predictable locations I'm fairly confident a ball group will just get it and instead of winning 12v24s they'll be winning 12v44s—actually one of the things which has piqued my interest in the game again.

ArchMikem wrote: »

I mean if you want to write off the entire game just cause PvP has issues, you can....

I was just never into trials past the initial completion, my favorite PvE was vMA but I'm assuming that place is dead/completely irrelevant now.

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

PvP performance is at least as bad as it's ever been, if not worse.

At least it's the game I remember.

VaranisArano wrote: »

The only thing that's significantly changed about PVP performance is that Imperial City is now a separate campaign, so if you enjoyed IC it is now much easier to access (and, for the moment, more populated).

Cyrodiil still has lag and significant combat-breaking bugs. The 30-day Campaigns are now Faction Locked, but that hasn't much impacted primetime performance from my perspective.

Battlegrounds still has queue bugs and MMR issues.

I used IC as a method of making gold, so the fact that it's probably more populated now kind of sucks.

I've heard about faction-locked campaigns, I don't really see how that could've benefited anyone and it would seem like the only way it could impact performance is if it just drove people away from PvP, which I don't think it will. I suppose the people crying about people with characters on more than one faction finally got their wish, and now it'll be shown as kind of irrelevant.

Muzzick wrote: »

There was some super tanky player in BG today my whole group together didn't cause any damage at all

Just like I remember.

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

As a mage at heart. I am very unhappy with the state of ESO.

ZOS may not care about losing most of their mage-at-heart playerbase. But I bet titles like GW2 or FFXIV or even BDO for fwks sakes, would be more than happy to suck up the ESO Mage refugees.

Doesn't hardened ward have a cast time now, or a health cap? Stam's probably decent then.

SirAxen wrote: »

I play daily with no issues, for what that is worth. Both pvp and pve. PC/NA.

The fact that even one person can play the game without issues gives me a shred of hope.

zyk wrote: »

The tank meta is more prevalent than ever and server performance is worse than ever.

But if you're into TES themed MMO cosmetics that you can loot from RNG crates you buy with cash, then it's the GREATEST GAME EVER!!! By far.

lol.

Hippie4927

SnubbS wrote: »

SirAxen wrote: »

I play daily with no issues, for what that is worth. Both pvp and pve. PC/NA.

The fact that even one person can play the game without issues gives me a shred of hope.

I, also, play daily with no issues and I do both PVE and PVP. So I am adding to your hope.

Deathlord92

I play stamblade and 100% solo. it is very possible to kill groups and get good 1vxs just check YouTube you just have to know your class very well and use line of sight and I seen players rek on stam warden dks etc 👍

Bhaal5

For oceanics... Dead

dsalter

Ohtimbar wrote: »

Performance and stability are still abysmal and tankiness does indeed still rule the day. Teamwork can overcome the latter. The new super weapons are intended to bust up immortal ball groups and that sort of thing, though I have not tried it/them yet.

Someone else would have to comment on solo pvp.

it actually buffs said ball groups... again. but this time they can take all the keeps uber fast at the same time, no siege engines required.

dunno why they just just remove the crappy scaling crap of the ranged detonations spells and AoE only hitting a max count of players. this in itself would solve alot of the ball groups as ranged AoE requires people stand in fire so wouldnt suit a zerg ball and the raged detonation sspells have a cast time so would slow and overall cause the group to kill itself, especially since them using said spell wouldnt do much as the enemies will no doubt be spread out.

Inaya

I unsubbed from WOW over 4 months ago and have since uninstalled it. I LOVE ESO. It has issues, as any game with a few million people playing it will.

The story lines and quests are extremely well written. You can actually form "relationships" with the NPC's you encounter during quests that make you happy or sad with the outcome of said quest.

There is never a shortage of things to do - crafting, delves, caves, dolems, random encounters, world bosses, public dungeons, regular dungeons, achievements for damn near everything.

It's beautiful! The first time I came upon the ocean I sat and stared at just at the colors, movement and depth it showed.

It's so easy to get around with wayshrines carefully placed so that you are almost always close to any destination.

The housing is awesome with so many types, styles and costs to choose from, including a few free ones (I won't say more cuz "spoilers")

ESO+ is soooo worth it, I payed more for WOW and got nothing but access to the game with crappier and crappier content and a complete lack of interest from the devs. With ESO+ you get the bottomless crafting bag, free DLC, access to special purchases, 1600+ crowns per month, double furniture space in houses, double bank space. Everyone who logs on get a daily gift.

FFXIV is a great game as well and I've played it but the time investment is too much. ESO lets me spend as little or as much time as I like and never feel "left behind".

ESO for me is about the journey, not the rush to the end and I for one think it's a fantasticly enjoyable journey.

Qbiken

Inaya wrote: »

I unsubbed from WOW over 4 months ago and have since uninstalled it. I LOVE ESO. It has issues, as any game with a few million people playing it will.

The story lines and quests are extremely well written. You can actually form "relationships" with the NPC's you encounter during quests that make you happy or sad with the outcome of said quest.

There is never a shortage of things to do - crafting, delves, caves, dolems, random encounters, world bosses, public dungeons, regular dungeons, achievements for damn near everything.

It's beautiful! The first time I came upon the ocean I sat and stared at just at the colors, movement and depth it showed.

It's so easy to get around with wayshrines carefully placed so that you are almost always close to any destination.

The housing is awesome with so many types, styles and costs to choose from, including a few free ones (I won't say more cuz "spoilers")

ESO+ is soooo worth it, I payed more for WOW and got nothing but access to the game with crappier and crappier content and a complete lack of interest from the devs. With ESO+ you get the bottomless crafting bag, free DLC, access to special purchases, 1600+ crowns per month, double furniture space in houses, double bank space. Everyone who logs on get a daily gift.

FFXIV is a great game as well and I've played it but the time investment is too much. ESO lets me spend as little or as much time as I like and never feel "left behind".

ESO for me is about the journey, not the rush to the end and I for one think it's a fantasticly enjoyable journey.

And here lies the issue, everything that isn't PvP or anything more challenging PvE runs perfectly fine in ESO. However, outside of the situations you mentioned, the game is absolutely horrible in terms of performance.

I play on a slightly older laptop and I'm used to playing with a bit lower performance, but when I can't even do a BG or any veteran trial without having 10 fps and 400 ping (which has been the case since earlier this year, never been this bad before even for me) then you can't say that the game is fine.

ESO´s biggest flaw has always been and will always be it's garbage performance.

Karmanorway

Server performance is worse now. You cant even farm bosses in IC anymore because ping spikes every 5 secs.

Other then that its just the usual, skills wont fire in cyro, disconnects etc (even in BGs) . Do yourself a favor and dont return, its not worth all the frustration

danthemann5

If you like to pick flowers and decorate houses, ESO is a great game. PvP performance is the worst I've seen for any game in 20 years.

Inaya

Qbiken wrote: »

Inaya wrote: »

I unsubbed from WOW over 4 months ago and have since uninstalled it. I LOVE ESO. It has issues, as any game with a few million people playing it will.

The story lines and quests are extremely well written. You can actually form "relationships" with the NPC's you encounter during quests that make you happy or sad with the outcome of said quest.

There is never a shortage of things to do - crafting, delves, caves, dolems, random encounters, world bosses, public dungeons, regular dungeons, achievements for damn near everything.

It's beautiful! The first time I came upon the ocean I sat and stared at just at the colors, movement and depth it showed.

It's so easy to get around with wayshrines carefully placed so that you are almost always close to any destination.

The housing is awesome with so many types, styles and costs to choose from, including a few free ones (I won't say more cuz "spoilers")

ESO+ is soooo worth it, I payed more for WOW and got nothing but access to the game with crappier and crappier content and a complete lack of interest from the devs. With ESO+ you get the bottomless crafting bag, free DLC, access to special purchases, 1600+ crowns per month, double furniture space in houses, double bank space. Everyone who logs on get a daily gift.

FFXIV is a great game as well and I've played it but the time investment is too much. ESO lets me spend as little or as much time as I like and never feel "left behind".

ESO for me is about the journey, not the rush to the end and I for one think it's a fantasticly enjoyable journey.

And here lies the issue, everything that isn't PvP or anything more challenging PvE runs perfectly fine in ESO. However, outside of the situations you mentioned, the game is absolutely horrible in terms of performance.

I play on a slightly older laptop and I'm used to playing with a bit lower performance, but when I can't even do a BG or any veteran trial without having 10 fps and 400 ping (which has been the case since earlier this year, never been this bad before even for me) then you can't say that the game is fine.

ESO´s biggest flaw has always been and will always be it's garbage performance.

PVP is not and does not constitute the entire game. If PVP in ESO sucks I get it but that doesn't negate the many other things that are good.

I think the influx of WOW refugees has definitely stressed the servers and while I used to play with 90+ FPS and a 70ms or so, in populated areas I'm down to around 50+ and 150ms (sometimes up to 400 when I first zone in) so if my couple year old desktop is suffering I'm sure your slightly older laptop isn't happy.

Inaya

danthemann5 wrote: »

If you like to pick flowers and decorate houses, ESO is a great game. PvP performance is the worst I've seen for any game in 20 years.

What an insulting comment! Who are you to degrade people who play the game differently than you? I'd be willing to bet there are more players who DON'T pvp than who do playing ESO.

Hashtag_

ArchMikem wrote: »

I mean if you want to write off the entire game just cause PvP has issues, you can....

A lot of the performance issues that plague pvp also plague end game pve. 97% of players won’t see these issues though.

Imperial_Voice

Inaya wrote: »

It's beautiful! The first time I came upon the ocean I sat and stared at just at the colors, movement and depth it showed.

Best way Ive ever seen someone lowkey admit to playing ESO while stoned out of their gourd.

daemonios

Inaya wrote: »

danthemann5 wrote: »

If you like to pick flowers and decorate houses, ESO is a great game. PvP performance is the worst I've seen for any game in 20 years.

What an insulting comment! Who are you to degrade people who play the game differently than you? I'd be willing to bet there are more players who DON'T pvp than who do playing ESO.

How is it degrading? Those are two activities that you can literally do in ESO. Aren't you disparaging them yourself by assuming insult? The reality is that crafting, resource farming, house decoration, and other non-group non-combat activities have no particular issues in ESO. The same is not true for those group/combat activities.

Narvuntien

Look I am not going to pretend PVP is fine, it's a garbage fire... But I still enjoy it.

I am not playing PVP for fair and balanced competition. If I die I die if I get a kill that's mostly insignificant towards the greater goal of winning a campaign.

I don't understand why it is so frustrating for people like it reaches a certain point of bad where you just get that that is the way it is. In short, you'll get used to it, and learn to play around it.

It's okay if you want the company to fix it but I feel like people are letting it ruin their enjoyment of the game.

Imperial_Voice

ESO is doing good. It's in desperate need of fixes but content wise its great. The art team is doing amazing work and the population is high.

Inaya

daemonios wrote: »

Inaya wrote: »

danthemann5 wrote: »

If you like to pick flowers and decorate houses, ESO is a great game. PvP performance is the worst I've seen for any game in 20 years.

What an insulting comment! Who are you to degrade people who play the game differently than you? I'd be willing to bet there are more players who DON'T pvp than who do playing ESO.

How is it degrading? Those are two activities that you can literally do in ESO. Aren't you disparaging them yourself by assuming insult? The reality is that crafting, resource farming, house decoration, and other non-group non-combat activities have no particular issues in ESO. The same is not true for those group/combat activities.

No, I'm not. It was more you choice of words which were quite differnent in the above respsonse. Your original comment just came off as condescending to me. Sorry if it was unintended.
"If you like to pick flowers and decorate houses, ESO is a great game."

Inaya

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

Inaya wrote: »

It's beautiful! The first time I came upon the ocean I sat and stared at just at the colors, movement and depth it showed.

Best way Ive ever seen someone lowkey admit to playing ESO while stoned out of their gourd.

Awesome comment !!!! Funny thing is I am the absolute antithesis of lowkey lol. It's just that I stress all day at work and by the time I get home I just want to lose the day in something. ESO does that for me very well.

daemonios

Inaya wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Inaya wrote: »

danthemann5 wrote: »

If you like to pick flowers and decorate houses, ESO is a great game. PvP performance is the worst I've seen for any game in 20 years.

What an insulting comment! Who are you to degrade people who play the game differently than you? I'd be willing to bet there are more players who DON'T pvp than who do playing ESO.

How is it degrading? Those are two activities that you can literally do in ESO. Aren't you disparaging them yourself by assuming insult? The reality is that crafting, resource farming, house decoration, and other non-group non-combat activities have no particular issues in ESO. The same is not true for those group/combat activities.

No, I'm not. It was more you choice of words which were quite differnent in the above respsonse. Your original comment just came off as condescending to me. Sorry if it was unintended.
"If you like to pick flowers and decorate houses, ESO is a great game."

You're looking for an axe to grind. I'm not the poster of the comment you originally replied to

Imperial_Voice

Inaya wrote: »

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

Inaya wrote: »

It's beautiful! The first time I came upon the ocean I sat and stared at just at the colors, movement and depth it showed.

Best way Ive ever seen someone lowkey admit to playing ESO while stoned out of their gourd.

Awesome comment !!!! Funny thing is I am the absolute antithesis of lowkey lol. It's just that I stress all day at work and by the time I get home I just want to lose the day in something. ESO does that for me very well.

Lol no judgements here. I used to smoke and go to Alikr, and I loved the sand dunes and cliffs and it was just very serene . Environments is one thing ESO does very well

Imperial_Voice

daemonios wrote: »

Inaya wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Inaya wrote: »

danthemann5 wrote: »

If you like to pick flowers and decorate houses, ESO is a great game. PvP performance is the worst I've seen for any game in 20 years.

What an insulting comment! Who are you to degrade people who play the game differently than you? I'd be willing to bet there are more players who DON'T pvp than who do playing ESO.

How is it degrading? Those are two activities that you can literally do in ESO. Aren't you disparaging them yourself by assuming insult? The reality is that crafting, resource farming, house decoration, and other non-group non-combat activities have no particular issues in ESO. The same is not true for those group/combat activities.

No, I'm not. It was more you choice of words which were quite differnent in the above respsonse. Your original comment just came off as condescending to me. Sorry if it was unintended.
"If you like to pick flowers and decorate houses, ESO is a great game."

You're looking for an axe to grind. I'm not the poster of the comment you originally replied to

I enjoy picking flowers and decorating my house and I didnt feel degraded at all. Dudes just itching for a fight.

barney2525

what is the state?


I dunno.... Massachusetts?


Is this a test?