Could some people with Dyslexia give me some insight into something? (mild Elsweyr spoiler)

Sheezabeast

From the phrasing here, is this suggesting Cadwell has Dyslexia? I don't have the same type, I have directional Dyslexia, it doesn't effect my reading. Is what he describing what happens to you? If you care to share, I'd appreciate it. Or if this isn't about Dyslexia at all, feel free to correct me

Ananoriel

I don't have dyslexia, but I was thinking the same about Cadwell having it. The drummer of my old band had dyslexia and he told me to see words being in a scrambled order in some way.

Danikat

I have mild dyslexia and I've always found it really hard to describe what it's actually like for me, but that certainly sounds similar.

Sometimes I can read the same word twice and think it says different things. For example the first time I might read it as Sinister, and the second time as Similar. Or I'll accidentally read the words in a sentence out of order, or mix in words from the line above/below. I usually read each part two or three times to make sure I got it right, which means it takes me a lot longer to read anything than it does for other people.

It's hard to be sure exactly what's going on though because it's not a conscious process. When I'm reading what I'm most aware of is the image in my head the words are building up, or the general impression of what's being said, rather than the specific words. So it's hard to focus on how I'm reading until after I realise I've gotten it wrong.

Ohtimbar

I think Cadwell's speech is simply intended (with mixed results) to be zany in a cut-rate pythonesque sort of way. I doubt much thought went into it beyond that. I myself suffer from a mild case of dyslexia, and struggle with word order. Whatever the case, Cadwell and I will soldier on.

Sheezabeast

Thank you for the input and for sharing

If it helps people understand in a constructive non-trolling way, it helps us all. I do like that about our community.

Wildberryjack

It could be interpreted that way I think. I'm not Dyslexic but a childhood friend was, he said the words weren't where they were supposed to be and some letters were backward. That's how he described trying to read. He had such a horrible time with it.

rumple9

Relseyw

LadyVaJedi

I am dyslexisia and comprehision difficulties as well. What Cadwell is describing sounds a bit like what I have.

Sheezabeast

LadyVaJedi wrote: »

I am dyslexisia and comprehision difficulties as well. What Cadwell is describing sounds a bit like what I have.

If it was ZOS's intention, I think it's really nice to have a main character that is relatable

wishlist14

My brothet had dyslexia and he explaimed it in a simimlar way as Sir Cadwell

mague

Sheezabeast wrote: »

From the phrasing here, is this suggesting Cadwell has Dyslexia? I don't have the same type, I have directional Dyslexia, it doesn't effect my reading. Is what he describing what happens to you? If you care to share, I'd appreciate it. Or if this isn't about Dyslexia at all, feel free to correct me

For me it is different. If a written word looks "wrong" i remove or add letters. For example Cadwell looks ok with two l's. If his name was Cadwel i probably would tend to add a l for the visual "balance"

Chicharron

I had heard that word before but i did not know what it meant until now.

And now that i know what it means and after reading a small article from Mayo Clinic, a few uncomfortable (now) moments with some workers come to my mind.

I was so happy in my ignorance. Now i feel bad, when i have to go to the factory, i will look for them to apologize.

Sheezabeast

Chicharron wrote: »

I had heard that word before but i did not know what it meant until now.

And now that i know what it means and after reading a small article from Mayo Clinic, a few uncomfortable (now) moments with some workers come to my mind.

I was so happy in my ignorance. Now i feel bad, when i have to go to the factory, i will look for them to apologize.

I hope they're understanding That's nice that you want to apologize, not many would.

SantieClaws

Hmm.

This one has a story to tell here. Khajiit taught herself to read when she was a very, very small kitten but was unable to write until long past the age when it was expected she should do so.

There were very bad years because of this. Many battles. It was considered that this one was 'backward', to use the terminology of the day. The opposite turned out to be the case and eventually this one was able to present certain evidence to show she was worth teaching to write. Even so as this one had never made use of punctuation and the like when she was reading she saw no use for it when writing - it was never for this one the prompt it is for others.

The physical shape and construction of the letters also seemed to be an issue. The mind it speeds much faster than the paws can move. Being able to type now is such a liberation. No more wondering if a letter looks like what it is supposed to. While the speed of the keyboard is not quite the speed of the mind it is at least closer.

The local gods of education at this time did not believe in Dyslexia. This one was just a stupid kitten.

While words do not seem to move around on the page as such it is more that your mind sees what it wants to see rather than what is there - it skips ahead, replaces words with ones that are, at first glance, similar. Your mind is always ahead of your eye.

This one supposes the experience is quite different for everyone though.

Education is about fitting everyone into the same square shaped container - some of us are just circles ...

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Chaos2088

Ok I’m dyslexic and I just want ice cream....

(Before i get any hate I am dyslexic) hehe

Sheezabeast

SantieClaws wrote: »

Hmm.

This one has a story to tell here. Khajiit taught herself to read when she was a very, very small kitten but was unable to write until long past the age when it was expected she should do so.

There were very bad years because of this. Many battles. It was considered that this one was 'backward', to use the terminology of the day. The opposite turned out to be the case and eventually this one was able to present certain evidence to show she was worth teaching to write. Even so as this one had never made use of punctuation and the like when she was reading she saw no use for it when writing - it was never for this one the prompt it is for others.

The physical shape and construction of the letters also seemed to be an issue. The mind it speeds much faster than the paws can move. Being able to type now is such a liberation. No more wondering if a letter looks like what it is supposed to. While the speed of the keyboard is not quite the speed of the mind it is at least closer.

The local gods of education at this time did not believe in Dyslexia. This one was just a stupid kitten.

While words do not seem to move around on the page as such it is more that your mind sees what it wants to see rather than what is there - it skips ahead, replaces words with ones that are, at first glance, similar. Your mind is always ahead of your eye.

This one supposes the experience is quite different for everyone though.

Education is about fitting everyone into the same square shaped container - some of us are just circles ...

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Thank you for sharing your story, Santie. I’m sorry you weren’t able to lob fish heads at the instructors who were ignorant.

Lots of love and fish, me

Tasear

Sounds like the generalized dsylexic. For me it's sounds that jump around between different words on paper and in head.

tohopka_eso

LadyVaJedi wrote: »

I am dyslexisia and comprehision difficulties as well. What Cadwell is describing sounds a bit like what I have.

I'm the same. Had to take a special class in school to help. Was teased alot for it.

AlienSlof

SantieClaws wrote: »

Hmm.

This one has a story to tell here. Khajiit taught herself to read when she was a very, very small kitten but was unable to write until long past the age when it was expected she should do so.

There were very bad years because of this. Many battles. It was considered that this one was 'backward', to use the terminology of the day. The opposite turned out to be the case and eventually this one was able to present certain evidence to show she was worth teaching to write. Even so as this one had never made use of punctuation and the like when she was reading she saw no use for it when writing - it was never for this one the prompt it is for others.

The physical shape and construction of the letters also seemed to be an issue. The mind it speeds much faster than the paws can move. Being able to type now is such a liberation. No more wondering if a letter looks like what it is supposed to. While the speed of the keyboard is not quite the speed of the mind it is at least closer.

The local gods of education at this time did not believe in Dyslexia. This one was just a stupid kitten.

While words do not seem to move around on the page as such it is more that your mind sees what it wants to see rather than what is there - it skips ahead, replaces words with ones that are, at first glance, similar. Your mind is always ahead of your eye.

This one supposes the experience is quite different for everyone though.

Education is about fitting everyone into the same square shaped container - some of us are just circles ...

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

This I can relate to very much. I have numerical dyslexia (now known as dyscalculia) which also was not known back when I was a kitten. The teachers called me stupid and put me in the 'special needs' maths class, in which I soon gravitated to the bottom! Numbers are just a jumble to me, and I've spent my entire life working around it. I can gauge things by eye much more accurately than measuring them.

By contrast, I was top of the top class for English/reading/spelling, often having better spelling ability than many of the teachers. I read a lot of books and always have - my mother taught me to read and write before I even started school and even as a kitten I was reading her grown-up library books.

A decade ago, I suffered a stroke, which affected my already terrible numerical skills to the point where I can barely count, sums are a nightmare and I avoid maths wherever possible! When people start talking DPS numbers, I can't follow it and came to my own conclusion - if I can kill it or heal it, my numbers are probably fine!

SantieClaws

AlienSlof wrote: »

This I can relate to very much. I have numerical dyslexia (now known as dyscalculia) which also was not known back when I was a kitten. The teachers called me stupid and put me in the 'special needs' maths class, in which I soon gravitated to the bottom! Numbers are just a jumble to me, and I've spent my entire life working around it. I can gauge things by eye much more accurately than measuring them.

By contrast, I was top of the top class for English/reading/spelling, often having better spelling ability than many of the teachers. I read a lot of books and always have - my mother taught me to read and write before I even started school and even as a kitten I was reading her grown-up library books.

A decade ago, I suffered a stroke, which affected my already terrible numerical skills to the point where I can barely count, sums are a nightmare and I avoid maths wherever possible! When people start talking DPS numbers, I can't follow it and came to my own conclusion - if I can kill it or heal it, my numbers are probably fine!

This one would hope it has got better for kittens now - she is not sure though. Recognition of the existence of a condition isn't enough by itself. We are not stupid. We just sometimes have to find a different path to the same destination and, when we are kittens, we need helping finding what that path is without excessive pressure from teachers or parents. Will find our way if you give us the time and space to do so yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

albesca

SantieClaws wrote: »

This one would hope it has got better for kittens now - she is not sure though. Recognition of the existence of a condition isn't enough by itself. We are not stupid. We just sometimes have to find a different path to the same destination and, when we are kittens, we need helping finding what that path is without excessive pressure from teachers or parents. Will find our way if you give us the time and space to do so yes.

As far as diagnosis goes, there's much more attention to these kind of phenomena, but from what I understand that doesn't always translate to teaching the dyslexic or dyscalculic students how to overcome their difficulties (in Italy, at least).
My wife is dyscalculic and a teacher, so she puts a lot of effort in aiding her dyslexic or dyscalculic students with all the tools available, teaching them how to work around their condition, how to study efficiently, preparing tests geared toward the specific individual problems (sometimes simple things like a wider line spacing or bigger fonts do wonder to the readability of text), but many of her colleagues still think that dyslexic students are simply incapable of reaching the same level as the "normal" students, which is really not the case.

UnseenCat

AlienSlof wrote: »

This I can relate to very much. I have numerical dyslexia (now known as dyscalculia) which also was not known back when I was a kitten. The teachers called me stupid and put me in the 'special needs' maths class, in which I soon gravitated to the bottom! Numbers are just a jumble to me, and I've spent my entire life working around it. I can gauge things by eye much more accurately than measuring them.

By contrast, I was top of the top class for English/reading/spelling, often having better spelling ability than many of the teachers. I read a lot of books and always have - my mother taught me to read and write before I even started school and even as a kitten I was reading her grown-up library books.

A decade ago, I suffered a stroke, which affected my already terrible numerical skills to the point where I can barely count, sums are a nightmare and I avoid maths wherever possible! When people start talking DPS numbers, I can't follow it and came to my own conclusion - if I can kill it or heal it, my numbers are probably fine!

I can relate here. In school, my reading was fine -- I was ahead of most other students. Math was where I suffered. My most common errors in math classes was transposing numbers -- what I saw on paper and worked out made perfect sense. Except I didn't see the number as written -- my mind scrambled them. I never had a problem understanding the logic, but dyscalculia made math classes a constant struggle. Mind you, I'm old enough that even dyslexia wasn't even well-understood in those days. I was just labeled as not paying enough attention in math class.

And I agree, stroke can aggravate or introduce new complications in how the brain interprets visual information. I had a series of "small" strokes or TIAs (Transient Ischemic Attacks) about a decade ago, too. It left no obvious physical effects, but to this day, my writing can come out jumbled if I attempt to go full-speed as I used to. Typing isn't too bad since I can just correct as I go (with a bit of frustration as I mis-type, back up, mis-type differently, back up, mis-type yet again before getting it right...), but handwriting for any lengthy amount becomes torture, as my brain move much faster than my hand can keep up, so words will come out misspelled and out-of-order in all kinds of combinations. It's maddening. So I type whenever possible. Spell-check and autocomplete are a help at times, and a curse at others.

As for poor Cadwell -- if he's indeed dyslexic, imagine the kind of torment the Daedra can play on him, by magically switching things up as he attempts to read them. Very much in keeping with the Elder Scrolls world, actually!

Kuramas9tails

I didn't know I was Dyslexic until college when I was in a tutoring program because I was having a much harder time memorizing things. Sometimes words came out before I fully processed what was said or read so for me, Cadwells Dyslexia is a different form of Dyslexia than what I have but it is a form of it nonetheless I believe. At least when he converses he makes sense. My boyfriend will be like "where the f did that come from?".

Blackwing_Soul

Even though I am Dyslexic myself it never occurred to me that Cadwell could have been talking about Dyslexia. I just assumed it was Cadwell being crazy. Though I suppose he could be crazy and Dyslexic.

Sheezabeast

Blackwing_Soul wrote: »

Even though I am Dyslexic myself it never occurred to me that Cadwell could have been talking about Dyslexia. I just assumed it was Cadwell being crazy. Though I suppose he could be crazy and Dyslexic.

That may very well be the case! It's why I wanted some insight from others, and I'm glad I made this board.