Think they should make a new Eu Server?

Thevampirenight

Might as well, what do you think do they need to add a new server? As performance is really bad for Eu players and I keep seeing threads on it. Made this poll. As we wait for servers to come back up. What are your thoughts?

LiraTaurwen

Yes

Either create a new server or find a way to make this "megaserver" work. The way it's working now it feels we are being scammed, people pay for this game and the most basic level of performance is not met.

At least bring the queues back, was far better than this trash performance we have now.

Elusiin

No

You don't simply "make a new server"... There's years of programming and tireless hours invested into making a game thing big. I'm sure the fundamental framework of the program is excellent, otherwise the game wouldn't be able to support as many players as it does. T he problem is that new updates introduce bugs, those bugs are the cause of performance issues. Hopefully they'll fix some more bugs and things will get better. But they're not going to redo 5+ years of work just to fix performance, that's like reinventing the wheel and it's not necessary.

FierceSam

Yes

Lag lag lag

Group finder consistently overwhelmed by demand

CEO forced to grovel because of poor performance.

ZOS coming to Germany soon... to meet real EU players

Improving the EU server would be a good thing

Edaphon

No

A new server isn't going to magically fix all problems.

Squeaky_Clean

No

I don't think a new server per se will help.

Since the problems (added lag, ..) typically appear after new expansions/DLC/patches, it occurs to me that ZOS piles on new features, but at the same time neglects optimization and performance of existing code (esp. in light of the new content).

So when releasing new content, there should always be some effort on improving performance *in parallel*, and not after the lags and the performance have been degraded so much, that ZOS is forced to do these improvement retroactively.

LiraTaurwen

Yes

DanteMR1995 wrote: »

You don't simply "make a new server"... There's years of programming and tireless hours invested into making a game thing big. I'm sure the fundamental framework of the program is excellent, otherwise the game wouldn't be able to support as many players as it does. T he problem is that new updates introduce bugs, those bugs are the cause of performance issues. Hopefully they'll fix some more bugs and things will get better. But they're not going to redo 5+ years of work just to fix performance, that's like reinventing the wheel and it's not necessary.

Performance issues are caused by server overload. These issues happen during prime time.

Creating a new server is easy, just get a new one and copy the game. Issues would be with distributing players between them but there are solutions and alot of other games have done this.

SaintSubwayy

DanteMR1995 wrote: »

You don't simply "make a new server"... There's years of programming and tireless hours invested into making a game thing big. I'm sure the fundamental framework of the program is excellent, otherwise the game wouldn't be able to support as many players as it does. T he problem is that new updates introduce bugs, those bugs are the cause of performance issues. Hopefully they'll fix some more bugs and things will get better. But they're not going to redo 5+ years of work just to fix performance, that's like reinventing the wheel and it's not necessary.

the bugs arent the major culprit in terms of performance thou.

the biggest issue is the influx of more and more new players (which is great thou no doubt about it), however the servers cant handle the load they are under now.
this has been proven a few months ago, when ZOS was forced to upgrade the servers, and had to activate the login queue so ppl could even play.

server space should be atleast 150% of the actual population, so it can handle a big influx of new players within a short timeperiod. Like they happen with new Expansions...and thats a problem each year so far...morrowind, performance dropped, summerset performance dropped...and now again.

zvavi

Yes

DanteMR1995 wrote: »

You don't simply "make a new server"... There's years of programming and tireless hours invested into making a game thing big. I'm sure the fundamental framework of the program is excellent, otherwise the game wouldn't be able to support as many players as it does. T he problem is that new updates introduce bugs, those bugs are the cause of performance issues. Hopefully they'll fix some more bugs and things will get better. But they're not going to redo 5+ years of work just to fix performance, that's like reinventing the wheel and it's not necessary.

Mmm i mean, i get your point of view, but you made few wrong points. The game is unable to support the players that are currently playing. Check the post about april 11th update we got from up there for more info, and then the 50 pages of "eu is still not working" "you promised to update" "give me back my money" comments. and about fixing bugs.... A lot of bugs were reported first pts of elsweyr. Some bugs got reported years ago. And worst of everything, the bad server preformance creates new bugs that shouldn't exist, and should not be fixed even, because when server preformance is crap everything will bug out anyway.

PS. Upgrade the servers so you can fix the bugs that are actually bugs and not server f*** ups.

Runkorko

Yes

We dont even have EU server tbh.

Elusiin

No

I think I misinterpreted your use of the word 'server'. I meant server as in the programming sense: zos runs a program on a computer (server) and we connect to it by running our own program on our computer (client). By server, you mean the computer running the server. Though I have never owned one, there are computers specifically made to run a server program, and they're called servers (my brain hurts). But yes, I wish they would upgrade the hardware!

Jeejee

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Mitrenga

Other

To be honest, it is not for us players to decide. We expect a high quality service, it is ZoS to decide in which terms they are willing to deliver it. New, upgraded, updated whatever you'd like to call it; the server state should be better than the potato one that we have now.

Gythral

Other

Stop sales of the game until they actually improve the existing servers, both EU and NA, but mostly EU, all the while fixing the underpinning issues!

Runefang

No

I'm sure they can just pop down to their near PC store and pick one up.

TelvanniWizard

Other

What they should do is fix the damm thing for once.

duddjoyri

Yes

Yes, but I'd settle for a group finder tool that works at peak times....

vesselwiththepestle

No

Definitely not, it would divide the player base and if the current peak ends we got two half-empty EU servers.

ZOS should work on increasing the performance. This year my ping got really bad, group finder doesn't work during primetime until ~~11pm and so on, those issues need to be adressed soon.

laksikus

No

dude.
If they added a new EU server you would just have to grind everything again. And buy all DLCs again.

Let them just upgrade the existing servers to something that can take the primetime heat

Zer0oo

Other

EU servers are just overloaded during prime time aka ~4pm till 12pm. Meaning that the performance is s*** , battlegrounds and dungeon finder are not working at all.

As EU player you can only hope NA also gets soon some of the problems or we will never see an improvement because of their company policy.

Turelus

No

I'd rather not have more servers/shards/realms as I love the idea of playing a game and everyone I meet being on the same server I am playing on (too bad about the EU/NA split).

I do think they need to have a good look at whatever the server issues are for EU and get them fixed. I know they said they were planning it, if that's already gone ahead and didn't work then I guess we need more attention on it.

ShadowDisciple

No

DanteMR1995 wrote: »

You don't simply "make a new server"... There's years of programming and tireless hours invested into making a game thing big. I'm sure the fundamental framework of the program is excellent, otherwise the game wouldn't be able to support as many players as it does. T he problem is that new updates introduce bugs, those bugs are the cause of performance issues. Hopefully they'll fix some more bugs and things will get better. But they're not going to redo 5+ years of work just to fix performance, that's like reinventing the wheel and it's not necessary.

Well this isnt true..

If u have a server that up and running..its a matter of creating an exact same copy of a server on another hardware unit...now this is oversimplification and ofc theres more to it, but it doesent take years as you stated...

Copy paste...works wonders

Gythral

Other

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

DanteMR1995 wrote: »

You don't simply "make a new server"... There's years of programming and tireless hours invested into making a game thing big. I'm sure the fundamental framework of the program is excellent, otherwise the game wouldn't be able to support as many players as it does. T he problem is that new updates introduce bugs, those bugs are the cause of performance issues. Hopefully they'll fix some more bugs and things will get better. But they're not going to redo 5+ years of work just to fix performance, that's like reinventing the wheel and it's not necessary.

Well this isnt true..

If u have a server that up and running..its a matter of creating an exact same copy of a server on another hardware unit...now this is oversimplification and ofc theres more to it, but it doesent take years as you stated...

Copy paste...works wonders

Yep copy the issues and paste to new hardware - so newer but with the same issues!

Bam_Bam

Yes

laksikus wrote: »

dude.
If they added a new EU server you would just have to grind everything again. And buy all DLCs again.

Let them just upgrade the existing servers to something that can take the primetime heat

They would just have to export the EU server's population to a new server with the existing game pre-installed.

my guess is the main problem isn't the number of players but rather what they are doing. Because everything in the game is based on various databases, algorithms, and equations, it isn't so much the number of players but what those players are doing.

For example, let imagine what happens if everyone on the EU server opens their inventory and then decides to move AT THE SAME TIME

First of all - how big is each players inventory, what are they searching for?
Say they are looking for a dagger (weapon (group A) + 1h + level=? + quality=? + uniquename=y/n?) and NOT armour (armour (group + clothing/light/medium/heavy=? + level=? + quality=? + uniquename=y/n?). The databases govern these kind of interactions and are CONSTANTLY trying to work these things out.
Let's add some other variables - is the player stationary or moving? Let's say moving - are they walking, running, sprinting? Maybe they are mounted - is the horse walking, running or galloping? What about the buffs they cast before mounting are they still active or expiring/expired? But don't forget the terrain too - Mounted, galloping? On grass/water? Uphill/downhill/flat? Let's say flat but there are big rocks and trees - the player guides the character but the server is trying to work the quickest path for the hostile guards to reach the player as knobhead player (probably/certainly me) disturbed them and is now being chased.

So many things happening in the server's 'brain'. Imagine how flawless the coding would need to be, to be able to handle all of that? The above example was if everyone was doing the same actions at the same time. Now imagine it's primetime and you have 5000+ players all doing DIFFERENT things, in PvE, PvP, BG's, RP, exploration, questing, all at the same time.

Apologies for the wall of text.

If you read it all - have a cookie.

jircris11

Other

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Might as well, what do you think do they need to add a new server? As performance is really bad for Eu players and I keep seeing threads on it. Made this poll. As we wait for servers to come back up. What are your thoughts?

Just change the data center to a less *** one.