The only time things that imbalanced get nerfed are when I roll them.

Cathexis

Literally the only time things that imbalanced get nerfed are when I roll them and invest time in them. That's it.

I roll a sorc, get it to 50, get it geared, next day shields nerfed.
I roll a NB, get it geared and set up, right as it's playable, invis cloak gets nerfed.
I roll a dk, wings gets nerfed.

And it literally does not matter how much time I wait. I waited months in between rolling characters, never once did they even consider a nerf. PvP balance is straight up fake.

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slicksteezin

And what were you hoping this post would accomplish?

ManwithBeard9

Pls make more NBs and Sorcs

Cathexis

slicksteezin wrote: »

And what were you hoping this post would accomplish?

Just calling out the reaking BS. It's weak.
New players should be aware so they can turn the around now.

Cathexis

>< (redundant post here)

Waffennacht

Ouch, outta OP classes, wtf to do now?

I'm kinda joking, but those 3 are way strong.

Cathexis

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ouch, outta OP classes, wtf to do now?

I'm kinda joking, but those 3 are way strong.

Of course they are, why you think I rolled them lol. The whole point is these db's roll up on me with op nb cloakspam or dks that take 0 damage, they should be able to take what they give, but naw, it's all fakes.

DaveMoeDee

Why are you telling others to not play if only you are getting nerfed? The rest of us are fine since they are clearly targeting you.

ManwithBeard9

Cathexis wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ouch, outta OP classes, wtf to do now?

I'm kinda joking, but those 3 are way strong.

Of course they are, why you think I rolled them lol. The whole point is these db's roll up on me with op nb cloakspam or dks that take 0 damage, they should be able to take what they give, but naw, it's all fakes.

Sounds like a l2p issue.

Cathexis

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ouch, outta OP classes, wtf to do now?

I'm kinda joking, but those 3 are way strong.

Of course they are, why you think I rolled them lol. The whole point is these db's roll up on me with op nb cloakspam or dks that take 0 damage, they should be able to take what they give, but naw, it's all fakes.

Sounds like a l2p issue.

Smells like a faker fakin.

Cathexis

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Why are you telling others to not play if only you are getting nerfed? The rest of us are fine since they are clearly targeting you.

Because either I am the only target in which case this game discriminates against specific players, or I'm not in which case you shouldn't put in the time, because this will happen to you too.

I'm either case, it's inadvisable to play.

Sanctum74

Hmmm cute post bro, shields and wings got buffed and cloak is the same it's been for ages. Please puff, puff, pass that before posting.

EtTuBrutus

Qq

Cathexis

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Hmmm cute post bro, shields and wings got buffed and cloak is the same it's been for ages. Please puff, puff, pass that before posting.

Uh LOL.

When my mag sorc got PvP ready they slapped a 50% health cap on shields. MASSIVE nerf.
When my stamblade got PvP ready they slapped a 75% timer buff on cloak and made it have a permanent negative mag coefficient. MASSIVE nerf.
I roll a dk, which can literally face tank like a boss out the gate and they slap a nerf on projectile reflect and make them easy pickings with a sniper. MASSIVE nerf.

Literally every time they are geared and ready they get crippled to some degree for solo play. It's weak as hell.

This *** has nothing to do with a L2P issue.

Cathexis

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Qq

Yes that's the name of my Thief, I'm honoured you recognize him.

And as for my attitude I'm not crying, I'm calling out the ***. There's a significant difference and if you understood the idea you might grow a pair.

ChunkyCat

Can I have your stuffs?

Cathexis

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Can I have your stuffs?

Wow your so original, if you squint hard enough it's like you didn't just see that somewhere and regurgitate it.

Sanctum74

Cathexis wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Hmmm cute post bro, shields and wings got buffed and cloak is the same it's been for ages. Please puff, puff, pass that before posting.

Uh LOL.

When my mag sorc got PvP ready they slapped a 50% health cap on shields. MASSIVE nerf.
When my stamblade got PvP ready they slapped a 75% timer buff on cloak and made it have a permanent negative mag coefficient. MASSIVE nerf.
I roll a dk, which can literally face tank like a boss out the gate and they slap a nerf on projectile reflect and make them easy pickings with a sniper. MASSIVE nerf.

Literally every time they are geared and ready they get crippled to some degree for solo play. It's weak as hell.

This *** has nothing to do with a L2P issue.

Apparently it does if you're still struggling. Sorc and dk are strong af with the changes and if you need cloak to survive then...

I'll just leave at that since the forum mods seem to have a *** for me lately.

Cathexis

Oh ya and cloak is definitely not the same it's been for ages it's 1 second duration now. You have to spam it repeatedly to sustain invisibility.

Iskiab

Sorcs are one of the strongest pvp classes. I suggest taking time trying to learn and play one class well rather then rerolling the fotm.

DarkerDreams

If they nerfed a class and you rolled a new character then you did exactly what they wanted you to do. Balanced is a myth they invented in these kinds of games as an excuse to keep shifting the bar. Nerfs and changes are designed to keep people interested and playing more by making them grind for new builds, gear, try new chars, ect...

Cathexis

Iskiab wrote: »

Sorcs are one of the strongest pvp classes. I suggest taking time trying to learn and play one class well rather then rerolling the fotm.

I've played sorc since the beginning I know the math just fine and I can tell you that the 50% health cap on shields was the nerf bat equivalent of beating someone's head in.

DarkerDreams wrote: »

If they nerfed a class and you rolled a new character then you did exactly what they wanted you to do. Balanced is a myth they invented in these kinds of games as an excuse to keep shifting the bar. Nerfs and changes are designed to keep people interested and playing more by making them grind for new builds, gear, try new chars, ect...

Yeah and I'm saying, if you are a new player you should not join this game because its straight up rigged as ***.

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Hmmm cute post bro, shields and wings got buffed and cloak is the same it's been for ages. Please puff, puff, pass that before posting.

Uh LOL.

When my mag sorc got PvP ready they slapped a 50% health cap on shields. MASSIVE nerf.
When my stamblade got PvP ready they slapped a 75% timer buff on cloak and made it have a permanent negative mag coefficient. MASSIVE nerf.
I roll a dk, which can literally face tank like a boss out the gate and they slap a nerf on projectile reflect and make them easy pickings with a sniper. MASSIVE nerf.

Literally every time they are geared and ready they get crippled to some degree for solo play. It's weak as hell.

This *** has nothing to do with a L2P issue.

Apparently it does if you're still struggling. Sorc and dk are strong af with the changes and if you need cloak to survive then...

I'll just leave at that since the forum mods seem to have a *** for me lately.

This is not about my capacity to play the class. I can play anything just fine. It's about this rigged as *** *** where anything I roll gets called for nerfs.

This is not the first time or way this *** sort of *** has happened either. Its the same *** where midyear mayhem was introduced the month I took a calculated run at the top leaderboard slot (which I would have overtaken, because my daily turnover on AP was radically higher than the leaderboard and over a 20 day projection I could have done it if the AP bonus didn't skew in favour of more time to play).

It's infuriating!

NinchiTV

Cathexis wrote: »

Literally the only time things that imbalanced get nerfed are when I roll them and invest time in them. That's it.

I roll a sorc, get it to 50, get it geared, next day shields nerfed.
I roll a NB, get it geared and set up, right as it's playable, invis cloak gets nerfed.
I roll a dk, wings gets nerfed.

And it literally does not matter how much time I wait. I waited months in between rolling characters, never once did they even consider a nerf. PvP balance is straight up fake.

Sorc (assuming mag) is one of the best solo class, it has a ton of sustainability even with shield nerf that happened months ago.
NB is borderline OP if you build it correctly.
DK got so many buffs this patch.

The 3 classes you listed are really, really strong.

Dr_Ganknstein

Cathexis wrote: »

Literally the only time things that imbalanced get nerfed are when I roll them and invest time in them. That's it.

I roll a sorc, get it to 50, get it geared, next day shields nerfed.
I roll a NB, get it geared and set up, right as it's playable, invis cloak gets nerfed.
I roll a dk, wings gets nerfed.

And it literally does not matter how much time I wait. I waited months in between rolling characters, never once did they even consider a nerf. PvP balance is straight up fake.

Look at it this way, if they kept things the same eventually everyone would be running the same builds and it would get boring. Some of my classes are taking a hit on this update and buffs in other areas.

Sanctum74

Cathexis wrote: »

Oh ya and cloak is definitely not the same it's been for ages it's 1 second duration now. You have to spam it repeatedly to sustain invisibility.

1 second duration? Please learn the class and skills before commenting

Cathexis wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Sorcs are one of the strongest pvp classes. I suggest taking time trying to learn and play one class well rather then rerolling the fotm.

I've played sorc since the beginning I know the math just fine and I can tell you that the 50% health cap on shields was the nerf bat equivalent of beating someone's head in.

DarkerDreams wrote: »

If they nerfed a class and you rolled a new character then you did exactly what they wanted you to do. Balanced is a myth they invented in these kinds of games as an excuse to keep shifting the bar. Nerfs and changes are designed to keep people interested and playing more by making them grind for new builds, gear, try new chars, ect...

Yeah and I'm saying, if you are a new player you should not join this game because its straight up rigged as ***.

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Hmmm cute post bro, shields and wings got buffed and cloak is the same it's been for ages. Please puff, puff, pass that before posting.

Uh LOL.

When my mag sorc got PvP ready they slapped a 50% health cap on shields. MASSIVE nerf.
When my stamblade got PvP ready they slapped a 75% timer buff on cloak and made it have a permanent negative mag coefficient. MASSIVE nerf.
I roll a dk, which can literally face tank like a boss out the gate and they slap a nerf on projectile reflect and make them easy pickings with a sniper. MASSIVE nerf.

Literally every time they are geared and ready they get crippled to some degree for solo play. It's weak as hell.

This *** has nothing to do with a L2P issue.

Apparently it does if you're still struggling. Sorc and dk are strong af with the changes and if you need cloak to survive then...

I'll just leave at that since the forum mods seem to have a *** for me lately.

This is not about my capacity to play the class. I can play anything just fine. It's about this rigged as *** *** where anything I roll gets called for nerfs.

This is not the first time or way this *** sort of *** has happened either. Its the same *** where midyear mayhem was introduced the month I took a calculated run at the top leaderboard slot (which I would have overtaken, because my daily turnover on AP was radically higher than the leaderboard and over a 20 day projection I could have done it). It's infuriating!

Don't get wrong, I think it sucks that after almost 5 years they still have absolutely no clue about their game and still make drastic changes that make no sense, but it's always been like that. Unfortunately we can't force them to learn the game or give af about their loyal customers that have been dealing with these problems for years.

All I can say is adapt, play multiple classes, or move on. Zos has made it clear that they do not care about loyal customers and they would rather create new content for new customers instead of having a working product that would earn them tenfold $$$ with new customers and keeping the old ones.

idk

Cathexis wrote: »

Literally the only time things that imbalanced get nerfed are when I roll them and invest time in them. That's it.

I roll a sorc, get it to 50, get it geared, next day shields nerfed.
I roll a NB, get it geared and set up, right as it's playable, invis cloak gets nerfed.
I roll a dk, wings gets nerfed.

And it literally does not matter how much time I wait. I waited months in between rolling characters, never once did they even consider a nerf. PvP balance is straight up fake.

You have 3 more characters to roll and then you will be fine.

If changes to one skill ruin your day then I do suggest you avoid playing MMORPGs and they constantly make changes to skills.

Cathexis

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Literally the only time things that imbalanced get nerfed are when I roll them and invest time in them. That's it.

I roll a sorc, get it to 50, get it geared, next day shields nerfed.
I roll a NB, get it geared and set up, right as it's playable, invis cloak gets nerfed.
I roll a dk, wings gets nerfed.

And it literally does not matter how much time I wait. I waited months in between rolling characters, never once did they even consider a nerf. PvP balance is straight up fake.

Sorc (assuming mag) is one of the best solo class, it has a ton of sustainability even with shield nerf that happened months ago.
NB is borderline OP if you build it correctly.
DK got so many buffs this patch.

The 3 classes you listed are really, really strong.

The upward capacity of a class and its overall comparative play strength are two separate issues and have completely different implications.

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Oh ya and cloak is definitely not the same it's been for ages it's 1 second duration now. You have to spam it repeatedly to sustain invisibility.

1 second duration? Please learn the class and skills before commenting

Cathexis wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Sorcs are one of the strongest pvp classes. I suggest taking time trying to learn and play one class well rather then rerolling the fotm.

I've played sorc since the beginning I know the math just fine and I can tell you that the 50% health cap on shields was the nerf bat equivalent of beating someone's head in.

DarkerDreams wrote: »

If they nerfed a class and you rolled a new character then you did exactly what they wanted you to do. Balanced is a myth they invented in these kinds of games as an excuse to keep shifting the bar. Nerfs and changes are designed to keep people interested and playing more by making them grind for new builds, gear, try new chars, ect...

Yeah and I'm saying, if you are a new player you should not join this game because its straight up rigged as ***.

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Hmmm cute post bro, shields and wings got buffed and cloak is the same it's been for ages. Please puff, puff, pass that before posting.

Uh LOL.

When my mag sorc got PvP ready they slapped a 50% health cap on shields. MASSIVE nerf.
When my stamblade got PvP ready they slapped a 75% timer buff on cloak and made it have a permanent negative mag coefficient. MASSIVE nerf.
I roll a dk, which can literally face tank like a boss out the gate and they slap a nerf on projectile reflect and make them easy pickings with a sniper. MASSIVE nerf.

Literally every time they are geared and ready they get crippled to some degree for solo play. It's weak as hell.

This *** has nothing to do with a L2P issue.

Apparently it does if you're still struggling. Sorc and dk are strong af with the changes and if you need cloak to survive then...

I'll just leave at that since the forum mods seem to have a *** for me lately.

This is not about my capacity to play the class. I can play anything just fine. It's about this rigged as *** *** where anything I roll gets called for nerfs.

This is not the first time or way this *** sort of *** has happened either. Its the same *** where midyear mayhem was introduced the month I took a calculated run at the top leaderboard slot (which I would have overtaken, because my daily turnover on AP was radically higher than the leaderboard and over a 20 day projection I could have done it). It's infuriating!

Don't get wrong, I think it sucks that after almost 5 years they still have absolutely no clue about their game and still make drastic changes that make no sense, but it's always been like that. Unfortunately we can't force them to learn the game or give af about their loyal customers that have been dealing with these problems for years.

All I can say is adapt, play multiple classes, or move on. Zos has made it clear that they do not care about loyal customers and they would rather create new content for new customers instead of having a working product that would earn them tenfold $$$ with new customers and keeping the old ones.

I can post a screenshot, my magblade and stamblade cloak is 1s. Now maybe it may have to do with a changed leveling progression of the skill relative to the cast duration, but it's completely hamstrung their sustainable cloak at their level and has essentially borked my entire calculation and trajectory.

And maybe it would be fine if it weren't always timed in such a way that it exactly sabotages the intent. And it's always convenient timing, it's always when they enter a competitive stage of development, as if cloak hadn't been called for nerfs for years. Years. They never touched it, actual years it has been over the top overpowered, and never struck as an issue until now.

slicksteezin

Show me where on the doll the class balancing devs touched you....

Sanctum74

Cathexis wrote: »

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Literally the only time things that imbalanced get nerfed are when I roll them and invest time in them. That's it.

I roll a sorc, get it to 50, get it geared, next day shields nerfed.
I roll a NB, get it geared and set up, right as it's playable, invis cloak gets nerfed.
I roll a dk, wings gets nerfed.

And it literally does not matter how much time I wait. I waited months in between rolling characters, never once did they even consider a nerf. PvP balance is straight up fake.

Sorc (assuming mag) is one of the best solo class, it has a ton of sustainability even with shield nerf that happened months ago.
NB is borderline OP if you build it correctly.
DK got so many buffs this patch.

The 3 classes you listed are really, really strong.

The upward capacity of a class and its overall comparative play strength are two separate issues and have completely different implications.

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Oh ya and cloak is definitely not the same it's been for ages it's 1 second duration now. You have to spam it repeatedly to sustain invisibility.

1 second duration? Please learn the class and skills before commenting

Cathexis wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Sorcs are one of the strongest pvp classes. I suggest taking time trying to learn and play one class well rather then rerolling the fotm.

I've played sorc since the beginning I know the math just fine and I can tell you that the 50% health cap on shields was the nerf bat equivalent of beating someone's head in.

DarkerDreams wrote: »

If they nerfed a class and you rolled a new character then you did exactly what they wanted you to do. Balanced is a myth they invented in these kinds of games as an excuse to keep shifting the bar. Nerfs and changes are designed to keep people interested and playing more by making them grind for new builds, gear, try new chars, ect...

Yeah and I'm saying, if you are a new player you should not join this game because its straight up rigged as ***.

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Hmmm cute post bro, shields and wings got buffed and cloak is the same it's been for ages. Please puff, puff, pass that before posting.

Uh LOL.

When my mag sorc got PvP ready they slapped a 50% health cap on shields. MASSIVE nerf.
When my stamblade got PvP ready they slapped a 75% timer buff on cloak and made it have a permanent negative mag coefficient. MASSIVE nerf.
I roll a dk, which can literally face tank like a boss out the gate and they slap a nerf on projectile reflect and make them easy pickings with a sniper. MASSIVE nerf.

Literally every time they are geared and ready they get crippled to some degree for solo play. It's weak as hell.

This *** has nothing to do with a L2P issue.

Apparently it does if you're still struggling. Sorc and dk are strong af with the changes and if you need cloak to survive then...

I'll just leave at that since the forum mods seem to have a *** for me lately.

This is not about my capacity to play the class. I can play anything just fine. It's about this rigged as *** *** where anything I roll gets called for nerfs.

This is not the first time or way this *** sort of *** has happened either. Its the same *** where midyear mayhem was introduced the month I took a calculated run at the top leaderboard slot (which I would have overtaken, because my daily turnover on AP was radically higher than the leaderboard and over a 20 day projection I could have done it). It's infuriating!

Don't get wrong, I think it sucks that after almost 5 years they still have absolutely no clue about their game and still make drastic changes that make no sense, but it's always been like that. Unfortunately we can't force them to learn the game or give af about their loyal customers that have been dealing with these problems for years.

All I can say is adapt, play multiple classes, or move on. Zos has made it clear that they do not care about loyal customers and they would rather create new content for new customers instead of having a working product that would earn them tenfold $$$ with new customers and keeping the old ones.

I can post a screenshot, my magblade and stamblade cloak is 1s. Now maybe it may have to do with a changed leveling progression of the skill relative to the cast duration, but it's completely hamstrung their sustainable cloak at their level and has essentially borked my entire calculation and trajectory.

Please post then, last I checked it was 3 seconds and increased with each piece of heavy armor. Shouldn't need more than that to get out of danger. Personally I use the heal morph though, always felt cheesy hiding in a fight.

Cathexis

slicksteezin wrote: »

Show me where on the doll the class balancing devs touched you....

Lol ugh I have tried to be neutral and as sympathetic to devs as possible in recent days but just the constant sabotage is exhausting and I've hit my limit with it I think.

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Literally the only time things that imbalanced get nerfed are when I roll them and invest time in them. That's it.

I roll a sorc, get it to 50, get it geared, next day shields nerfed.
I roll a NB, get it geared and set up, right as it's playable, invis cloak gets nerfed.
I roll a dk, wings gets nerfed.

And it literally does not matter how much time I wait. I waited months in between rolling characters, never once did they even consider a nerf. PvP balance is straight up fake.

Sorc (assuming mag) is one of the best solo class, it has a ton of sustainability even with shield nerf that happened months ago.
NB is borderline OP if you build it correctly.
DK got so many buffs this patch.

The 3 classes you listed are really, really strong.

The upward capacity of a class and its overall comparative play strength are two separate issues and have completely different implications.

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Oh ya and cloak is definitely not the same it's been for ages it's 1 second duration now. You have to spam it repeatedly to sustain invisibility.

1 second duration? Please learn the class and skills before commenting

Cathexis wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Sorcs are one of the strongest pvp classes. I suggest taking time trying to learn and play one class well rather then rerolling the fotm.

I've played sorc since the beginning I know the math just fine and I can tell you that the 50% health cap on shields was the nerf bat equivalent of beating someone's head in.

DarkerDreams wrote: »

If they nerfed a class and you rolled a new character then you did exactly what they wanted you to do. Balanced is a myth they invented in these kinds of games as an excuse to keep shifting the bar. Nerfs and changes are designed to keep people interested and playing more by making them grind for new builds, gear, try new chars, ect...

Yeah and I'm saying, if you are a new player you should not join this game because its straight up rigged as ***.

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Hmmm cute post bro, shields and wings got buffed and cloak is the same it's been for ages. Please puff, puff, pass that before posting.

Uh LOL.

When my mag sorc got PvP ready they slapped a 50% health cap on shields. MASSIVE nerf.
When my stamblade got PvP ready they slapped a 75% timer buff on cloak and made it have a permanent negative mag coefficient. MASSIVE nerf.
I roll a dk, which can literally face tank like a boss out the gate and they slap a nerf on projectile reflect and make them easy pickings with a sniper. MASSIVE nerf.

Literally every time they are geared and ready they get crippled to some degree for solo play. It's weak as hell.

This *** has nothing to do with a L2P issue.

Apparently it does if you're still struggling. Sorc and dk are strong af with the changes and if you need cloak to survive then...

I'll just leave at that since the forum mods seem to have a *** for me lately.

This is not about my capacity to play the class. I can play anything just fine. It's about this rigged as *** *** where anything I roll gets called for nerfs.

This is not the first time or way this *** sort of *** has happened either. Its the same *** where midyear mayhem was introduced the month I took a calculated run at the top leaderboard slot (which I would have overtaken, because my daily turnover on AP was radically higher than the leaderboard and over a 20 day projection I could have done it). It's infuriating!

Don't get wrong, I think it sucks that after almost 5 years they still have absolutely no clue about their game and still make drastic changes that make no sense, but it's always been like that. Unfortunately we can't force them to learn the game or give af about their loyal customers that have been dealing with these problems for years.

All I can say is adapt, play multiple classes, or move on. Zos has made it clear that they do not care about loyal customers and they would rather create new content for new customers instead of having a working product that would earn them tenfold $$$ with new customers and keeping the old ones.

I can post a screenshot, my magblade and stamblade cloak is 1s. Now maybe it may have to do with a changed leveling progression of the skill relative to the cast duration, but it's completely hamstrung their sustainable cloak at their level and has essentially borked my entire calculation and trajectory.

Please post then, last I checked it was 3 seconds and increased with each piece of heavy armor. Shouldn't need more than that to get out of danger. Personally I use the heal morph though, always felt cheesy hiding in a fight.

Give me some time I will.

VV See below, image quality is poor but its enough you can see its 1 second @ rank 3 now with no passive. It's unusable, and I understand that that is not at full capacity, for the trajectory I have been working with and its intent it's entirely impractical.

edit; this link is clearer.
https://ibb.co/v1WzmTJ

Cathexis