Spears and polearms?

Gordon906

If we do get spears and polearms, what abilities will they have and what roles are they going to cater to?

phaneub17_ESO

Avoidance tanking!

Gordon906

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Avoidance tanking!

Kind of like frost staves.

Androconium

Gordon906 wrote: »

If we do get spears and polearms, what abilities will they have and what roles are they going to cater to?

i think you might have just resolved the "if" part...

Kiralyn2000

Gordon906 wrote: »

and what roles are they going to cater to?

Poking things from far away.

Tessitura

For it not to happen, there is enough stamina based weapons, give us some new magicka ones please and thank you.

Gordon906

Tessitura wrote: »

For it not to happen, there is enough stamina based weapons, give us some new magicka ones please and thank you.

TheShadowScout

Gordon906 wrote: »

If we do get spears and polearms, what abilities will they have...

My thoughts on the matter are on record: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/371862/additional-weapon-skill-ideas-mk-ii/p1

sionIV

I would like for it to be both for tanking and DPS. One morph for tanking, the other morph for damage.

Khivas_Carrick

ZoS should release a big ass quarterly update with new weapon skill lines:

Spears/Polearms

Hand To Hand/Unarmed

1H And Foci

Polearms would be the Stamina based one.

1H/Foci would be the Magicka one.

Unarmed would be mixed, like a good Monk ought to be.

Also Templars would be happy as hell to be able to use Spears properly lol

Tommy_The_Gun

Well I had some ideas how this Polearm weapon skills could work. Here are some of them:
1. Two type of weapons, Spear and Combat Staff.
2. Both weapons will be 2 handed, crafted at Woodworking station.
3. All two weapons will be melee weapon.
4. Skill line will be hybrid, with some skills costing stamina and some costing magicka.
5. Spear will be better suited for stamina builds.
6. Combat Staff will be better suited for magicka builds (mystic monk - style weapon).
7. It will be possible to use Spear on magicka & Combat Staff on stamina builds but it will be less effective.
8. Passives will provide bonus to Weapon Critical Chance % and Physical Penetration, when using Spear, and Spell Critical Chance % and Spell Penetration when using Combat Staff.
9. All skills will have magicka & stamina morphs.

Visual: Since there were some concerns that adding ton of new models for existing styles, it can be done the following way:

Spear can use staff "shaft" with "dagger" model at the end.
Combat Staff can use staff "shaft" but could have staff decorative end on both sides of the staff.
Alternatively it can use "hammer" / "mace" visual model at both ends of the staff.

Skills: Well I only have a short concept of how the skill could be designed:

Skill 1 - (Stamina) Single target skill, can be used as a spamable.
Skill 2 - (Stamina) Single target skill with execute.
Skill 3 - (Magicka) AOE, melee attack.
Skill 4 - (Stamina) Charged melee attack with cast time.
Skill 5 - (Magicka) Buff, utility skill, heal.

Now keep in mind, all skill will have magicka & stamina morphs. The one I wrote are only for the base morph.

Ultimate skill: Now here is where its gets interesting. I was trying to think, what could be a unique ultimate for this weapon skill line... And then I asked myself... what if you could actually be able to throw your spear ?

So it could work like this:
When you press Ultimate button, you have to pick a AOE target (yes it will be ranged ability), similar to Caltrops or Volley. When you use it, your character will actually throw your Polearm weapon at that spot (but don't worry, you will still have it in your inventory equipped and you wont lose any weapon & spell dmg bonus that equipped weapon provides).
Targets in the AOE circle will receive initial hit AOE dmg and as long as they are in the circle the will receive dmg over time.

Now here is the best part:
In order to be able to use any Polearm skill or light / heavy attack, after you throw your weapon, you will actually have to get your spear back (walk near it) or wait for the Ultimate to expire. Alternatively you will be able to bar swap and simply wait till ultimate will expire and the weapon will comeback to you.
I was also thinking of making use of Synergy button to pick up Spear (this could potentially make another AOE dmg circle, the moment you pick it up).

Khivas_Carrick

Eh to the Ultimate idea.

Why not just Dragoon it and leap up and crash down with heavy impact?

Also people complain about having to make new models and stuff?

Are they not aware ZoS is a game design studio and while clearly a specialized skill, they are plenty capable of recycling and creating brand new models to use? It's......it's not impossible. Huge undertaking, yes, but not the worst one they've done or will do.

It's part of why I say it should have an entire Quarterly Update devoted to it.

Sleep724

There’s already argonians in murkmire using spears in the overhand position.

Gordon906

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Well I had some ideas how this Polearm weapon skills could work. Here are some of them:
1. Two type of weapons, Spear and Combat Staff.
2. Both weapons will be 2 handed, crafted at Woodworking station.
3. All two weapons will be melee weapon.
4. Skill line will be hybrid, with some skills costing stamina and some costing magicka.
5. Spear will be better suited for stamina builds.
6. Combat Staff will be better suited for magicka builds (mystic monk - style weapon).
7. It will be possible to use Spear on magicka & Combat Staff on stamina builds but it will be less effective.
8. Passives will provide bonus to Weapon Critical Chance % and Physical Penetration, when using Spear, and Spell Critical Chance % and Spell Penetration when using Combat Staff.
9. All skills will have magicka & stamina morphs.

Visual: Since there were some concerns that adding ton of new models for existing styles, it can be done the following way:

Spear can use staff "shaft" with "dagger" model at the end.
Combat Staff can use staff "shaft" but could have staff decorative end on both sides of the staff.
Alternatively it can use "hammer" / "mace" visual model at both ends of the staff.

Skills: Well I only have a short concept of how the skill could be designed:

Skill 1 - (Stamina) Single target skill, can be used as a spamable.
Skill 2 - (Stamina) Single target skill with execute.
Skill 3 - (Magicka) AOE, melee attack.
Skill 4 - (Stamina) Charged melee attack with cast time.
Skill 5 - (Magicka) Buff, utility skill, heal.

Now keep in mind, all skill will have magicka & stamina morphs. The one I wrote are only for the base morph.

Ultimate skill: Now here is where its gets interesting. I was trying to think, what could be a unique ultimate for this weapon skill line... And then I asked myself... what if you could actually be able to throw your spear ?

So it could work like this:
When you press Ultimate button, you have to pick a AOE target (yes it will be ranged ability), similar to Caltrops or Volley. When you use it, your character will actually throw your Polearm weapon at that spot (but don't worry, you will still have it in your inventory equipped and you wont lose any weapon & spell dmg bonus that equipped weapon provides).
Targets in the AOE circle will receive initial hit AOE dmg and as long as they are in the circle the will receive dmg over time.

Now here is the best part:
In order to be able to use any Polearm skill or light / heavy attack, after you throw your weapon, you will actually have to get your spear back (walk near it) or wait for the Ultimate to expire. Alternatively you will be able to bar swap and simply wait till ultimate will expire and the weapon will comeback to you.
I was also thinking of making use of Synergy button to pick up Spear (this could potentially make another AOE dmg circle, the moment you pick it up).

Speaking of throwing, I think spears should be a melee weapon but you get a bundle of them on your back. Like the Order of the Hour troops carrying the throwable javelins behind them.

CardboardedBox

@Tessitura

Conjuring magic melee weapons- converts dual wield/2h/etc etc abilities to magic

Poison/ disease staff- converts destro staff abilities to stamina

Stx

I dont think they need to add another stamina weapon skill line. They should just add spears to the 2 handed line and give them a unique passive on heavy weapons. Maybe crit to match daggers, or longer range on melee attacks that could be interesting.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Need more magicka first.