What the heck is up with BGs Post-Update? All matches are like Max MMR matches now?

OnlyOnThursday

It's hard to keep up with the endless number of racial, class, skill changes that come through the patch pipeline, but something seems to be seriously awry since the patch.
Almost 100% of DM BGs I'm entering on my brand new toon are running out the full 15 minute timer, often without anyone passing a score of 300.


This is really unusual for a new toon. I expect this sort of painful pvp experience on my max MMR toons.

But until this last update newer chars could still enjoy what I would call "normal" PVP. For a few months until their MMR reaches the "hell level".

This is SOLO queuing FYI. And yes some of the matches are clearly me getting sucked into high MMR matches as a fill, but many of them are not, they are all reasonably low MMR players, and it just seems like no-one is routinely getting the kills you would expect.

I'm not sure if damage output is down, or damage mitigation is way up, but I can't be the only one who's noticed this?

OnlyOnThursday

Just finished my 4th BG in an hour and a half. Only one went to max score. I tried on two different new toons, just to be sure.

TheRealSniker

Tank meta is great innit

OnlyOnThursday

Listen, I'm very very familiar with the tank meta in BGs, but this isn't that. It's like all damage is being mitigated significantly more than it used to be?

At first I wondered if the DK wings change had anything to do with it, but it seems to wide spread too just be that.

OnlyOnThursday

I suppose it could be the cumulative effect of shield breaker's radical nerf, the reduction to oblivion damage, the 50% dmg reduction wings get, coupled with the fact that where once a ranged attack could be reflected back at you and kick your ass, now this doesn't occur AND your attack is mitigated significantly.

But it just seems like too big of a difference to me, I have spent hundreds of hours in BGs since starting this game, and I have never seen battles like that in base MMR matches. And certainly not dozens of them back to back to back

nsmurfer

OnlyOnThursday wrote: »

Listen, I'm very very familiar with the tank meta in BGs, but this isn't that. It's like all damage is being mitigated significantly more than it used to be?

At first I wondered if the DK wings change had anything to do with it, but it seems to wide spread too just be that.

I am seeing a huge influx of NBs in high MMR matches. Their tankyness easily rivals DKs with Sorc like burst

satanio

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OnlyOnThursday

I miss sigils

OnlyOnThursday

No joke, If this is an intentionally devised change to the combat system we need sigils back desperately.

MaxJrFTW

TheRealSniker wrote: »

Tank meta is great innit

People getting 2 shot left and right by dswing > onslaught is just as dumb. I was a bg only player and i'm staying the hell away this patch. Haven't done a bg in a week, and i won't be doing one this whole patch.

OnlyOnThursday

Either way. PEOPLE SHOULD DIE in DEATH match. Cmon ZOS. WTF

Donny_Vito

How do you know that these are High MMR matches? Is it just an assumption you are making?

OnlyOnThursday

Donny_Vito wrote: »

How do you know that these are High MMR matches? Is it just an assumption you are making?

No, I know they are LOW MMR matches. That's the problem. This is a brand new toon, and the matches are almost exactly like my 3 year old PVP main.

Noone is dying, damage is low, the matches run the full 15 minutes and rarely are scores hitting 500

ChunkyCat

Nerf healing.

Thogard

Did you level the character up through lowbie BGs? Doing that will get you put in high MMR matches very quickly - winning one lowbie BG counts about as much as winning five regular BGs

OnlyOnThursday

I have done that, and I know what you mean, but even those toons MMR matches are vastly different for quite some time, but no I levelled this toon via Alchemy writs

OnlyOnThursday

I have a bunch of mid-range toons, that i BG a couple times a week on, i tried them and almost every single BG was the same, this has never been the case before, I am certain something is awry

Izaki

Say thanks to ZOS for making us, medium armor Stamblades, tanky as hell.

OnlyOnThursday

lol. Makes sense...

Waffennacht

New toons have your accounts MMR; you need to make a new account to bypass MMR

New toons can go into the under 50 BGs, though it doesn't bypass MMR, there's way more inexperienced players in sub 50 BGs

OnlyOnThursday

Waffennacht wrote: »

New toons have your accounts MMR; you need to make a new account to bypass MMR

New toons can go into the under 50 BGs, though it doesn't bypass MMR, there's way more inexperienced players in sub 50 BGs

This is patently false. I have spent more time in BGs than anywhere else in this game, MMR is not account wide.
I have a main Mag Sorc, my first PVP toon, 20 minute Queue times minimum, and every match is against the exact same people, the highest MMR folks.

Only 2 of my other toons even occasionally get into those matches.
I'm not sure why you're intentionally spreading misinformation, but it isn't constructive.

Grandma

i'm sure someone already said it but;

EVERYONE is making a *LOT* of new toons right now, especially necromancer, and a lot of those people might be super skilled at pvp. Usually low level bg is a stomping ground for pros but now there's an even amount of pros which makes it difficult. i've had 3 matches go to timer since Elsweyr launch.

OnlyOnThursday

I was in BGs with CP 180/CP300 people, and they still weren't dying...

oxygen_thief

i cant say anything about mmr but i hate that new gasp sound which i hear every time when my char is respawning . its really awful.

Iskiab

Is this in lowby BGs? I’m not seeing it, I think I’ve maybe seen two matches going to full time, and I’m at level 45 leveling almost exclusively in BGs.

I think what you’re seeing is Necros can be tanky, and Necros are most of lowby BG players right now.

OnlyOnThursday

No this is in >50 Bgs

Thogard

Grandma wrote: »

i'm sure someone already said it but;

EVERYONE is making a *LOT* of new toons right now, especially necromancer, and a lot of those people might be super skilled at pvp. Usually low level bg is a stomping ground for pros but now there's an even amount of pros which makes it difficult. i've had 3 matches go to timer since Elsweyr launch.

Good point! I bet this plays a factor.

In overland I’ve noticed that everyone seems tankier, but i attribute that to the befoul nerf, which I’m definitely noticing.

Betty_Booms

No hes right. Im getting into groups with Necros. It may be that only BG enthusiasts are playing BGs at the moment whilst others level their necros and partake in the new content. So regardless you are coming accross skilled players...