So wait, Summerset is now dlc?

ryzen_gamer_gal

As i can buy it in the craft store or get access to it fro subscribing to eso +?

Tasear

Yeah was wondering when someone would mention this. I think in long run it will make jelewery crafting more practical. Also good bone to eso plus.

Turelus

Every expansion becomes a DLC a year later when the new expansion releases it seems.

Normally only the base zone/story content becomes a DLC under ESO Plus, I would imagine Jewellery Crafting is a stand alone purchase like the Warden was for Morrowind.

Not 100% on this one as I'll admit I didn't following any news of how it would work because I owned it all.

ryzen_gamer_gal

I didnt see anything about jewelry crafting for purchase in the craft store but i would imagine that since you got access to the jewlery crafter by going to summerset that it wont be a seperate purchase

Tasear

ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »

I didnt see anything about jewelry crafting for purchase in the craft store but i would imagine that since you got access to the jewlery crsfter by going to summerset that it wont be a seperate purchase

Yep summerset is just as full as elsweyer. Also from rise in prices. I assume jelewery crafting is now for anyone with summerset. I do wonder how it works if eso plus member loses it.

ryzen_gamer_gal

interesting...

darthbelanb14_ESO

Pssst....it's called the Crown Store.

Neoealth

Just goes to show that terms like "expansion" and "dlc" are basically meaningless because they essentially mean the same thing, the only apparent difference is how the company force the players to perceive it. Expansion when they want to milk as much money as possible from their new product, and then it magically becomes a "DLC" when the next big thing comes along.

Which is fine, it's their right to do so. And I actually think it makes sense for a business model. What peeves me is how they try to make the two terms uniquely distinct, and people even argue that there is a difference. (Other than one is new and the other is not, one is a cash cow and the other not so much)

idk

ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »

As i can buy it in the craft store or get access to it fro subscribing to eso +?

I would suggest the crown store instead of the crafting store.

But yes. It seems the standard MO is the zone and trial added in a chapter becomes a DLC once the next chapter is released. The classes added become a separate crown store purchase if how they handled Warden is any example.

Danikat

Neoealth wrote: »

Just goes to show that terms like "expansion" and "dlc" are basically meaningless because they essentially mean the same thing, the only apparent difference is how the company force the players to perceive it. Expansion when they want to milk as much money as possible from their new product, and then it magically becomes a "DLC" when the next big thing comes along.

Which is fine, it's their right to do so. And I actually think it makes sense for a business model. What peeves me is how they try to make the two terms uniquely distinct, and people even argue that there is a difference. (Other than one is new and the other is not, one is a cash cow and the other not so much)

It's not just ESO - I've had exactly the same discussion on other games forums when people complain that the company just keeps releasing DLC and they want an expansion. As far as I can tell the only difference is how they're sold and that expansions sometimes have a boxed version available, but I've been told repeatedly that the two are obviously different with expansions guaranteed to be both much bigger and higher quality and there's no way anyone could confuse the two.

It's further complicated by games like Skyrim where extra content is called an expansion if you buy a boxed copy and DLC if you buy an electronic copy, but what you get is identical either way.

But for ESO the pattern does seem to be that a chapter (aka expansion) is first released as a separate purchase - sold outside the game and not included in ESO+, then a year later the map, story, skill lines etc. become a DLC which is sold in the crown store and included in ESO+ and any extra classes become a separate crown store purchase (not included in ESO+, but of course you could use your subscription crowns to buy it.)

If you don't subscribe/rarely subscribe then it doesn't really make any difference - it's more expensive to buy it as a chapter (unless you wait for a sale) but it does also unlock on both servers instead of just one. If you subscribe regularly however you'll have to weigh up whether paying for the chapter is worth it for essentially 1 year of early access.

zaria

ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »

I didnt see anything about jewelry crafting for purchase in the craft store but i would imagine that since you got access to the jewlery crafter by going to summerset that it wont be a seperate purchase

You only have to go to Summerset to qualify for master writs. My necromancer is doing jewelry research and can deconstruct jewelry even if never been there.

Granted this might be different for the dlc version and that qualification is required to use the jewelry station.
This prevents problems with ESO+ timing out while doing research and similar.

Some with ESO+ and not bought Summerset can test this.

ShadowDisciple

Neoealth wrote: »

Just goes to show that terms like "expansion" and "dlc" are basically meaningless because they essentially mean the same thing, the only apparent difference is how the company force the players to perceive it. Expansion when they want to milk as much money as possible from their new product, and then it magically becomes a "DLC" when the next big thing comes along.

Which is fine, it's their right to do so. And I actually think it makes sense for a business model. What peeves me is how they try to make the two terms uniquely distinct, and people even argue that there is a difference. (Other than one is new and the other is not, one is a cash cow and the other not so much)

So u dont see a difference between Wrathstone DLC and Summerset Expansion....couple dungeons vs Zone+Class+Mechanics+storyline+major balance chnges+overland/craft/trial sets+trials?

5H murkmire and elsweyr is same to you?

ESO imo has the best bussiness model...u Sub to gain access to all smaller increments to the game and you pay yearly for a bigger expansion...and non p2w crown store... i spend on cigarettes and coffee in a month more than i spent on ESO since 2014. its cheap for the amount of fun i have with it..

ppl dont value others work

Rawkan

We always get this thread when a new expansion launches.

Neoealth

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

Neoealth wrote: »

Just goes to show that terms like "expansion" and "dlc" are basically meaningless because they essentially mean the same thing, the only apparent difference is how the company force the players to perceive it. Expansion when they want to milk as much money as possible from their new product, and then it magically becomes a "DLC" when the next big thing comes along.

Which is fine, it's their right to do so. And I actually think it makes sense for a business model. What peeves me is how they try to make the two terms uniquely distinct, and people even argue that there is a difference. (Other than one is new and the other is not, one is a cash cow and the other not so much)

So u dont see a difference between Wrathstone DLC and Summerset Expansion....couple dungeons vs Zone+Class+Mechanics+storyline+major balance chnges+overland/craft/trial sets+trials?

5H murkmire and elsweyr is same to you?

ESO imo has the best bussiness model...u Sub to gain access to all smaller increments to the game and you pay yearly for a bigger expansion...and non p2w crown store... i spend on cigarettes and coffee in a month more than i spent on ESO since 2014. its cheap for the amount of fun i have with it..

ppl dont value others work

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was not attacking their business model, I clearly said I think it makes sense.

As for the point on expansions vs DLC, what I'm referencing is the "big" ones. The OP made mention of Summerset, that is what I was responding to. Of course the smaller additions to the game like dungeons are not comparable to larger updates like morowind, summerset and Elsweyr.

Btw, smoking is really bad for you. Save yourself some money and health issues later on in life and quit. Just a friendly recommendation.

ryzen_gamer_gal

i just have to prioritize my spending, limited income with no potential for more. i dont see the value in elswyr when i dont care for necro. if i could get warden with elswyr then maybe.. i already subscribe to eso+ so i feel that's enough money spent.

tmbrinks

zaria wrote: »

ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »

I didnt see anything about jewelry crafting for purchase in the craft store but i would imagine that since you got access to the jewlery crafter by going to summerset that it wont be a seperate purchase

You only have to go to Summerset to qualify for master writs. My necromancer is doing jewelry research and can deconstruct jewelry even if never been there.

Granted this might be different for the dlc version and that qualification is required to use the jewelry station.
This prevents problems with ESO+ timing out while doing research and similar.

Some with ESO+ and not bought Summerset can test this.

My alt account bought the Morrowind Edition back in the day, has access to ESO+ and can now go to Summerset, as well as use the Jewelry Crafting stations, and do Jewelry Crafting daily writs. He has NOT bought Summerset as a separate DLC, has not bought ANY DLCs at all.

These were all included automatically upon the launch of Elsweyr on that account.

LadySinflower

Ok then, now that you have had the game for a while and know this is how it works, you have a choice. When each new expansion comes out, if you want to experience it right away, you can pay for it and have access to all the new stuff at the same time as everybody else who buys it. If you can stand to wait for at least a year, don't open your wallet. The content will most likely come out as DLC when they release a new expansion later. ZoS isn't gouging you for money or forcing you to do anything. The choice is yours.

Just like me. I have two accounts (gamertags) that I actively play with. On the main account I have several characters. I paid for Summerset and I've prepaid for Elsweyr. I want the latest and greatest. I spend more time with this account and have done most of the old content. I'm looking forward to the new stuff. On the second account, I pay for ESO+ only because it's impossible to manage inventory without it. But I'm not going to pay for Summerset, nor will I pay for Elsweyr. If this second account inherits Summerset as a DLC after Elsweyr drops, fantastic! I can then do Jewelry crafting writs.

We have two players in the household and already have to buy everything twice. I'm not shelling out money for the secondary account that I only maintain for a specific reason and don't actually "play" very much.

I honestly wish ZoS had a "family" edition that you could purchase. For a little extra money you could register two or up to three accounts on the same edition. Everyone would have access to all of the goodies if you had bought, say, the collector's edition. It would help couples and small families save a bit of money instead of feeling gouged by having to make a separate full purchase for every ESO player. Everyone would still have to pay for their own ESO+, of course. To stop groups of friends not in the same household from pooling their money trying to get out of buying individual copies, they could restrict the extras to the same console. If you played on a different console than the one the copy of the game was registered on, you lost access to the extra content and only had the base game. But I realize that ZoS is driven more by wanting to bleed every dime possible out of every single player than any desire to help some of their loyal players save money. Plus I don't know how they would do this for PCs.

But back to my original point and the TL;DR version of this post. If you don't want to pay for expansions knowing they will later become DLC, just wait to play them. Your choice.

ghastley

I have ESO+, no chapters, and can confirm that Jewel Crafting is open to me now. However, I have no way of knowing if was separated into the base game when Elsweyr released, or if it's now DLC content along with the zone, because I'd have it either way. I haven't yet attempted to start the Psijic Skill line, so no feedback for that.

Narvuntien

I have said in other threads I prefer the $40 a year thing to sub only or even more exploitative crown store options.

I am fine with this, 1 year wait for content, or pay more thing I mean you do get it eventually if that's what you want it means people like me can just decide to support the game with one-off purchases rather than ongoing subscription.

ZonasArch

Neoealth wrote: »

Just goes to show that terms like "expansion" and "dlc" are basically meaningless because they essentially mean the same thing, the only apparent difference is how the company force the players to perceive it. Expansion when they want to milk as much money as possible from their new product, and then it magically becomes a "DLC" when the next big thing comes along.

Which is fine, it's their right to do so. And I actually think it makes sense for a business model. What peeves me is how they try to make the two terms uniquely distinct, and people even argue that there is a difference. (Other than one is new and the other is not, one is a cash cow and the other not so much)

There's a clear different in size of what comes with dlc and xpacs... Making old xpacs into dlcs is just throwing a bone to plus subs, so much so that wardens were not available without purchase and I bet necros won't either. In a way, that's also what happened with the imperial city version if the game, way back in the day.

ShadowDisciple

Neoealth wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

Neoealth wrote: »

Just goes to show that terms like "expansion" and "dlc" are basically meaningless because they essentially mean the same thing, the only apparent difference is how the company force the players to perceive it. Expansion when they want to milk as much money as possible from their new product, and then it magically becomes a "DLC" when the next big thing comes along.

Which is fine, it's their right to do so. And I actually think it makes sense for a business model. What peeves me is how they try to make the two terms uniquely distinct, and people even argue that there is a difference. (Other than one is new and the other is not, one is a cash cow and the other not so much)

So u dont see a difference between Wrathstone DLC and Summerset Expansion....couple dungeons vs Zone+Class+Mechanics+storyline+major balance chnges+overland/craft/trial sets+trials?

5H murkmire and elsweyr is same to you?

ESO imo has the best bussiness model...u Sub to gain access to all smaller increments to the game and you pay yearly for a bigger expansion...and non p2w crown store... i spend on cigarettes and coffee in a month more than i spent on ESO since 2014. its cheap for the amount of fun i have with it..

ppl dont value others work

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was not attacking their business model, I clearly said I think it makes sense.

As for the point on expansions vs DLC, what I'm referencing is the "big" ones. The OP made mention of Summerset, that is what I was responding to. Of course the smaller additions to the game like dungeons are not comparable to larger updates like morowind, summerset and Elsweyr.

Btw, smoking is really bad for you. Save yourself some money and health issues later on in life and quit. Just a friendly recommendation.

My dude if i stoped smoking id buy a whole guild a juicy beer from crown store. Im just weak when it comes to it. Paying money to poison yourself.. Only stoopid ppl do it

mikemacon

Yes, and I love that ZOS has decided to go this route.

And I say that as someone who has preordered Elsweyr and Summerset (but not Morrowind - but I obviously learned my lesson there). I don't mind at all paying to have a year's access to something that then becomes part of ESO+. And in a year the ESO+ peeps who didn't want to/couldn't buy the Chapter get it as part of the sub.

Win/win.