Now this will be interesting :)

zaria

In the main quest this one is asked to rescue Abnur Tharn who is an prisoner in Coldharbor.

However this one has an quest in Riverhold with him and he is still there.

And I started the talking to him in Vulkhel Guard and got the prologue quest.


This one is confused, She is trying to resolve it with alchemy.

She already killed an dragon, but before starting the prologue.
And how can Tharn be three places at once and still an prisoner?
Will sell her soul for an answer but buyer has to get it elsweyr as she don't have it
https://www.deviantart.com/isriana/art/TESO-Keeps-Getting-Worse-445791458

Now this one has to do the wormroot depth doing both the main quest and the elsweyr prologue at once, however she has to wait for it to be an undaunted daily for 4 quest in an delve
If this crash the servers Khajitt is sorry but is has to be done.

Agenericname

I recommend zymurgy instead of alchemy for the answers you seek. You won't have the answers either way, but you'll be drunk and won't care.

barney2525

Remember when you first "met" Tharn at the orb? He said "I don't recognize your face". And yet he sent a personal summons to you specifically in the Prologue.

You are the victim of two dreams, which you have vivid memory of. First, the entire main questline. Now you are well known to Abner, so he summons you. The second dream you keep having visions as if they were real is the Prologue, leading you to this day, when you are wide awake and now have to stop the dragons.

Cut back on the skooma, and you will be fine

8)

Jaraal

Maybe the different Tharns are in alternate universes, like that one Star Trek episode where Spock had a goatee and Sulu dug chicks.

SydneyGrey

It's Abnur Tharn and his twin brother Artie Tharn, who is pretending to be Abnur.

Grandma

How about Darien.

'nough said.

all these shambled timelines are just an artifact of One Tamriel existing. I'm fine with it, though, because if you really care you can play them in order. It's worth the cost if it means we get to go anywhere at any point and do anything with anyone.

KhajiitFelix

And also you can see a later from Khamira near Tharn that says that work cult has disbanded and planemeld ended

ok

Davor

Just like in WWE, the writers have no respect for their fans and customers. We are not allowed to think.

Jaraal

Davor wrote: »

Just like in WWE, the writers have no respect for their fans and customers. We are not allowed to think.

Yes, they've pretty much thrown logical lore out the window since the old loremaster left. More like Alice In Tamrielland now.

whitecrow

It all went wrong with One Tamriel. Now nothing makes sense.

Jaraal

Grandma wrote: »

How about Darien.

'nough said.

all these shambled timelines are just an artifact of One Tamriel existing. I'm fine with it, though, because if you really care you can play them in order. It's worth the cost if it means we get to go anywhere at any point and do anything with anyone.

Like when I play Murkmire, after all that nonsense I want to go back in time to Coldharbour and tell King Dynas sorry pal but I'ma have to leave you here in this lightless oubliette, know what I mean?

Vandril

If I remember correctly, I recall reading that ESO is happening during a Dragon Break. That actually explains the broken timelines in ESO. In short, during a Dragon Break:

Time is broken. "Cause and effect" is broken. Things can happen before their causes. You can meet people for the second time before the first time, and you can meet someone for the first time more than once.

And everyone can be an individual, but there are multiple of every individual all at once one at a time forever once in a while but only after what happened beforehand didn't happen yet.

...Dragon Breaks get weird.

Edit: So, this was apparently officially denied. There is no dragonbreak. Shame.

Cpt_Teemo

max_only

Davor wrote: »

Just like in WWE, the writers have no respect for their fans and customers. We are not allowed to think.

I can’t see my favs hurting Zos’s equivalent of Vince McMahon though....

Arunei

Vandril wrote: »

If I remember correctly, I recall reading that ESO is happening during a Dragon Break. That actually explains the broken timelines in ESO. In short, during a Dragon Break:

Time is broken. "Cause and effect" is broken. Things can happen before their causes. You can meet people for the second time before the first time, and you can meet someone for the first time more than once.

And everyone can be an individual, but there are multiple of every individual all at once one at a time forever once in a while but only after what happened beforehand didn't happen yet.

...Dragon Breaks get weird.

Actually, Rich mentioned in one of the first live streams for Elsweyr that there is no Dragon Break going on during ESO's timeline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddulQz7IsTw&t=2636s

Idr what time it is in the stream, but that's the one they mention it in. Coincidentally, this is the same stream where Rich says they're going to give everyone a free character slot, without mentioning that you have to buy the chapter to get it.

Ildun

Congrats, you achieve CHIM

ArchMikem

Welcome to One Tamriel, where you can do whatever you want, whenever you want, Chronology be damned.

zaria

Granted they did an good work with the prologue. Tharn recognize you, he also say you done wormroot depth with him before and also who is the current mane.
So they tough of it, The issue is not so much how players can mess up quests if they try but the new starting quest for each zone.

I would rather updated the coldharbor tutorial and added the current tutorials as an end to the prologue.

Sixsixsix161

I did it today. Took my level 5 necro to Vulkher Guard (spelling?) to get money and buy a lightning staff (don't like fire). Decided might as well sign up for the fighter's and mage's guilds. Ran into Abnur in the mages guild and got the quests to find the mushrooms.

Then, I returned to the area to continue questing, and met Abnur in Riverhold, and got more quests.

Similar when I did the psijic order quests and met Darien for the first time with my level 27 magsorc, and he asked me if he knew me and if we met before. And I hadn't even been in the area where you meet him for the first time. Is that called precognition or something?

Vandril

Arunei wrote: »

Vandril wrote: »

If I remember correctly, I recall reading that ESO is happening during a Dragon Break. That actually explains the broken timelines in ESO. In short, during a Dragon Break:

Time is broken. "Cause and effect" is broken. Things can happen before their causes. You can meet people for the second time before the first time, and you can meet someone for the first time more than once.

And everyone can be an individual, but there are multiple of every individual all at once one at a time forever once in a while but only after what happened beforehand didn't happen yet.

...Dragon Breaks get weird.

Actually, Rich mentioned in one of the first live streams for Elsweyr that there is no Dragon Break going on during ESO's timeline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddulQz7IsTw&t=2636s

Idr what time it is in the stream, but that's the one they mention it in. Coincidentally, this is the same stream where Rich says they're going to give everyone a free character slot, without mentioning that you have to buy the chapter to get it.

Awww...

Oh well, guess that was just a rumor. Time to stop spreading it around.

Shame. It would have been a great way to explain away the lore inconsistencies of the game without retconning, too.

Thanks for clearing that up.

barney2525

Vandril wrote: »

If I remember correctly, I recall reading that ESO is happening during a Dragon Break. That actually explains the broken timelines in ESO. In short, during a Dragon Break:

Time is broken. "Cause and effect" is broken. Things can happen before their causes. You can meet people for the second time before the first time, and you can meet someone for the first time more than once.

And everyone can be an individual, but there are multiple of every individual all at once one at a time forever once in a while but only after what happened beforehand didn't happen yet.

...Dragon Breaks get weird.

Cue Twilight Zone music....

barney2525

zaria wrote: »

Granted they did an good work with the prologue. Tharn recognize you, he also say you done wormroot depth with him before and also who is the current mane.
So they tough of it, The issue is not so much how players can mess up quests if they try but the new starting quest for each zone.

I would rather updated the coldharbor tutorial and added the current tutorials as an end to the prologue.

Interesting thing, If you do the Prologue before any of the Harborage that relates to him, he does Not say he remembers you. He says he has heard of you. Which then makes the Harborage a bit weird when he forgets who you are.

Androconium

Agenericname wrote: »

I recommend zymurgy instead of alchemy for the answers you seek. You won't have the answers either way, but you'll be drunk and won't care.

"Best beers in America" lol.

zaria wrote: »

<brissnip>
And how can Tharn be three places at once and still an prisoner?
<snippety-do-dah>

"roll backs" (SIC)

gmelvilleb16_ESO

Well actually.....People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually — from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint — it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey... stuff.

max_only

https://youtu.be/RFm9ClqlGuo
Jeremy Bearimy

zaria

Ok an update here, I started the Elsewyr prologue and was sent to Redfur trading post.
I now rescued Tharn.

Downer: The Tharn Speaks will not activate, normally it would activate just outside of the harborage, but nothing happens.
I assume they thought people would try to get both quests at once

However get a few good gems:

He know I'm an necromancer or at least should know.


And closing off with this.

If some find another way to mess up this I would be happy to know. Perhaps waiting with the prologue until you started The Tharn Speaks, but I guess that deactivated the prologue.

Zacuel

Well this isn't interesting at all.

What a rip-off.

Gundug

Just as you can jump at will from place to place, quest to quest, so can the NPCs in this game. When you play long hours of ESO, ESO also plays you.

bmnoble

It's the same for any main NPC when you do the quest out of order, usually they will assume they know you. Its the main problem with starting players in the newest zone rather then making a point to set them on the path to the base game main story.

Can't count the number of times I have seen confused people in zone chat, about what order they are suppose to do things.