How to reach penetration cap

Amorpho

At the moment, the cap is 18.2k It's easy to reach with a magicka build, but I find it particularly challenging with a stam build. Can anyone help?

Shardaxx

The lover gives you penetration.

cjhhickman39

Cp ritual piercing: spriggins set sharpened weapons but u probably knew this

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

armor Penetration:

target debuffs

crusher enchantment - 1622

Infused Crusher- 2107

Infused Crusher with Torug- 2740

Roar of Alkosh- 3010

Major Breach- 5280

Minor Breach- 1320

self only buffs

lover with no divines-2752

lover with 7 divines- 4196

Sharpened 2h- 2752

Sharpened 1h -1376

twice fanged snake set- 4300

spriggans set- 3450

Tzogvin's Warband set - 1487

Kra'gh monster set - 1487

Unfathomable Darkness set - 1487


CP's: Variable, depending of sets and debuffs in use but up to 5280


also the mauls/maces 20/10% gets taken off after all the debuffs on the target, IE crusher, major and minor breach, alkosh, so they are worth mentioning.

most people use lover and cps to get to 7-9k self pen and rely on the tank/healer for the rest.

max_only

Be a Bosmer and waste your stamina rolling everywhere. I’m frequently told the new passive is a buff.

Evil_Rurouni

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

armor Penetration:

target debuffs

crusher enchantment - 1622

Infused Crusher- 2107

Infused Crusher with Torug- 2740

Roar of Alkosh- 3010

Major Breach- 5280

Minor Breach- 1320

self only buffs

lover with no divines-2752

lover with 7 divines- 4196

Sharpened 2h- 2752

Sharpened 1h -1376

twice fanged snake set- 4300

spriggans set- 3450

Tzogvin's Warband set - 1487

Kra'gh monster set - 1487

Unfathomable Darkness set - 1487


CP's: Variable, depending of sets and debuffs in use but up to 5280


also the mauls/maces 20/10% gets taken off after all the debuffs on the target, IE crusher, major and minor breach, alkosh, so they are worth mentioning.

most people use lover and cps to get to 7-9k self pen and rely on the tank/healer for the rest.

Thanks, I was just looking for this info as it happens.

Quoting this so I can find it in the future, writing a note for myself, and trying my hand at doing the penetration maths for the first time:
If anybody feels like checking my maths, feel free.
Not 100% certain I'm doing it right.

Perfect groups Debuff = 2740 (maxed torugs)+ 3010 (alkosh)+ 5280 (major pierce)+ 1320 (minor pierce)= 12350
Remaining resistance = 18200 - 12350 = 5850

Some possible solutions to the missing penetration for stam builds:

1H sharpened (1376) plus 61 points in pen CP (4476) = 5852 (overpen = 2)
2H sharpened (2752) plus 36 points in pen CP (3117) = 5869 (overpen = 19)
Lover 7 divines (4196) plus 18 points in pen CP (1729) = 5925 (overpen = 75)
1 set bonus (1487) plus 59 points in pen CP (4392) = 5879 (overpen = 29)
1H sharpened (1376) plus 1 set bonus (1487) plus 35 points in pen CP (3049) = 5912 (overpen =62 )
Spriggans (3450) plus 27 CP in penetration (2466) = 5916 (overpen = 66)
twice fanged snake (4300) plus 16 CP in penetration (1554) = 5854 (overpen = 4)


...Gawd, that 4884 penetration from light armour makes life so much easier for mag builds.
Only 966 more penetration and you're at the minimum, although most builds put in more.
I'm guessing its done to add a cushion for uptimes not being 100%.

Matthew_Galvanus

Shardaxx wrote: »

The lover gives you penetration.

bow chicka wow wow xD

Jaraal

max_only wrote: »

Be a Bosmer and waste your stamina rolling everywhere. I’m frequently told the new passive is a buff.

Burn resources instead of standing up dealing damage for your group? Seems legit........... for stamina characters. One or two tumbles for most magicka characters and nothing left to block, break free, or sprint out of an aoe.

Sounds like a worthwhile strategy!

CatchMeTrolling

max_only wrote: »

Be a Bosmer and waste your stamina rolling everywhere. I’m frequently told the new passive is a buff.

In pvp it’s a buff and pve it’s not so great. My specialty is dodge roll turn around dawn breakers.

idk

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

armor Penetration:

target debuffs

crusher enchantment - 1622

Infused Crusher- 2107

Infused Crusher with Torug- 2740

Roar of Alkosh- 3010

Major Breach- 5280

Minor Breach- 1320

self only buffs

lover with no divines-2752

lover with 7 divines- 4196

Sharpened 2h- 2752

Sharpened 1h -1376

twice fanged snake set- 4300

spriggans set- 3450

Tzogvin's Warband set - 1487

Kra'gh monster set - 1487

Unfathomable Darkness set - 1487


CP's: Variable, depending of sets and debuffs in use but up to 5280


also the mauls/maces 20/10% gets taken off after all the debuffs on the target, IE crusher, major and minor breach, alkosh, so they are worth mentioning.

most people use lover and cps to get to 7-9k self pen and rely on the tank/healer for the rest.

This is it.

In a well organized group that is at least someone serious you should have a group penetration of at least 10,397 from infused crusher, alkosh and the tanks taunt.

However it is good to check because they may run more debuffs and such.

Hotdog_23

Good information, thanks for sharing.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Amorpho wrote: »

At the moment, the cap is 18.2k It's easy to reach with a magicka build, but I find it particularly challenging with a stam build. Can anyone help?

You do not have to hit the cap, therwise you will reduce damage on normal content where is not needed. (over pen normal stuff)

The magic number is ~8400 (+ Major Fracture) where the daggers are doing 2% more damage than maces. (assuming the enemy has at least Major fracture on). If you are NB or Warden or DK you have a handy major fracture all the time (Surprise Attack, Sub Attack, Noxious Breath).

So because preferring to keep myself more balanced, personally I run 2 maces (precise) or Maul on all my Stamina DDs, with Lover Mundus.

If you are Templar/Sorc, and you do not want to rely on tanks apply major fracture, TFS or Alkosh are great sets to replace your crit set (Alkosh is a DD set after all). Paired with Briarheart you wont care about anything. Otherwise, rely on tanks/nb/warden/DK, and use Briar + Levi with hammers.

Is shame for penetration with have only 1 monster set with a very short range, while numerous exist for resistances, resources and damage.

Runkorko

You dont even bother to mention your class

Amorpho

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

At the moment, the cap is 18.2k It's easy to reach with a magicka build, but I find it particularly challenging with a stam build. Can anyone help?

You do not have to hit the cap, therwise you will reduce damage on normal content where is not needed. (over pen normal stuff)

The magic number is ~8400 (+ Major Fracture) where the daggers are doing 2% more damage than maces. (assuming the enemy has at least Major fracture on). If you are NB or Warden or DK you have a handy major fracture all the time (Surprise Attack, Sub Attack, Noxious Breath).

So because preferring to keep myself more balanced, personally I run 2 maces (precise) or Maul on all my Stamina DDs, with Lover Mundus.

If you are Templar/Sorc, and you do not want to rely on tanks apply major fracture, TFS or Alkosh are great sets to replace your crit set (Alkosh is a DD set after all). Paired with Briarheart you wont care about anything. Otherwise, rely on tanks/nb/warden/DK, and use Briar + Levi with hammers.

Is shame for penetration with have only 1 monster set with a very short range, while numerous exist for resistances, resources and damage.

I'm a stamsorc. For solo, I use briar heart, night mothers, x1 sharpened dagger and the lover.

NeillMcAttack

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

I thought Mauls and Maces were relatively usleless as they applied the debuff after other sources of penetration and only took a percentage of what remained.
I’ve been away from the game for quite a while only returning around a month ago. Was this changed or have I had bad information for quite some time. Thanks for the info.

barney2525

Shardaxx wrote: »

The lover gives you penetration.

This is so wrong on so many levels


Literally - LOL !!!

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Amorpho wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

At the moment, the cap is 18.2k It's easy to reach with a magicka build, but I find it particularly challenging with a stam build. Can anyone help?

You do not have to hit the cap, therwise you will reduce damage on normal content where is not needed. (over pen normal stuff)

The magic number is ~8400 (+ Major Fracture) where the daggers are doing 2% more damage than maces. (assuming the enemy has at least Major fracture on). If you are NB or Warden or DK you have a handy major fracture all the time (Surprise Attack, Sub Attack, Noxious Breath).

So because preferring to keep myself more balanced, personally I run 2 maces (precise) or Maul on all my Stamina DDs, with Lover Mundus.

If you are Templar/Sorc, and you do not want to rely on tanks apply major fracture, TFS or Alkosh are great sets to replace your crit set (Alkosh is a DD set after all). Paired with Briarheart you wont care about anything. Otherwise, rely on tanks/nb/warden/DK, and use Briar + Levi with hammers.

Is shame for penetration with have only 1 monster set with a very short range, while numerous exist for resistances, resources and damage.

I'm a stamsorc. For solo, I use briar heart, night mothers, x1 sharpened dagger and the lover.

Yeah that works great as I use NMG on my Templar solo build (tank in normal dungeons and trials). Is a fantastic set on normal content (dungeons and even normal trials with a lot of trash like AA & SO)

However NMG applies Major Fracture, something the tanks do, and only stack 1 per enemy. So kinda in the middle on single boss fights if there is a tank. For those scenarios have you considered TFS (4300 pen stack) or Spriggan (4000 pen upfront). Both those sets stack above major fracture (similarly to Alkosh)?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

I thought Mauls and Maces were relatively usleless as they applied the debuff after other sources of penetration and only took a percentage of what remained.
I’ve been away from the game for quite a while only returning around a month ago. Was this changed or have I had bad information for quite some time. Thanks for the info.

this debate is long and never really fruitful. the short of it though, the worse your team is at keeping debuffs up, the better mauls are.

but if you are really interested, here are some links-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5792545#Comment_5792545

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5774222#Comment_5774222

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5716471#Comment_5716471

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5679006#Comment_5679006

NeillMcAttack

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

At the moment, the cap is 18.2k It's easy to reach with a magicka build, but I find it particularly challenging with a stam build. Can anyone help?

You do not have to hit the cap, therwise you will reduce damage on normal content where is not needed. (over pen normal stuff)

The magic number is ~8400 (+ Major Fracture) where the daggers are doing 2% more damage than maces. (assuming the enemy has at least Major fracture on). If you are NB or Warden or DK you have a handy major fracture all the time (Surprise Attack, Sub Attack, Noxious Breath).

So because preferring to keep myself more balanced, personally I run 2 maces (precise) or Maul on all my Stamina DDs, with Lover Mundus.

If you are Templar/Sorc, and you do not want to rely on tanks apply major fracture, TFS or Alkosh are great sets to replace your crit set (Alkosh is a DD set after all). Paired with Briarheart you wont care about anything. Otherwise, rely on tanks/nb/warden/DK, and use Briar + Levi with hammers.

Is shame for penetration with have only 1 monster set with a very short range, while numerous exist for resistances, resources and damage.

I'm a stamsorc. For solo, I use briar heart, night mothers, x1 sharpened dagger and the lover.

Yeah that works great as I use NMG on my Templar solo build (tank in normal dungeons and trials). Is a fantastic set on normal content (dungeons and even normal trials with a lot of trash like AA & SO)

However NMG applies Major Fracture, something the tanks do, and only stack 1 per enemy. So kinda in the middle on single boss fights if there is a tank. For those scenarios have you considered TFS (4300 pen stack) or Spriggan (4000 pen upfront). Both those sets stack above major fracture (similarly to Alkosh)?

NMG now does major fracture! Was this changed as well? I thought it as a unique source of penetration. What else don’t I know.......

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

At the moment, the cap is 18.2k It's easy to reach with a magicka build, but I find it particularly challenging with a stam build. Can anyone help?

You do not have to hit the cap, therwise you will reduce damage on normal content where is not needed. (over pen normal stuff)

The magic number is ~8400 (+ Major Fracture) where the daggers are doing 2% more damage than maces. (assuming the enemy has at least Major fracture on). If you are NB or Warden or DK you have a handy major fracture all the time (Surprise Attack, Sub Attack, Noxious Breath).

So because preferring to keep myself more balanced, personally I run 2 maces (precise) or Maul on all my Stamina DDs, with Lover Mundus.

If you are Templar/Sorc, and you do not want to rely on tanks apply major fracture, TFS or Alkosh are great sets to replace your crit set (Alkosh is a DD set after all). Paired with Briarheart you wont care about anything. Otherwise, rely on tanks/nb/warden/DK, and use Briar + Levi with hammers.

Is shame for penetration with have only 1 monster set with a very short range, while numerous exist for resistances, resources and damage.

I'm a stamsorc. For solo, I use briar heart, night mothers, x1 sharpened dagger and the lover.

Yeah that works great as I use NMG on my Templar solo build (tank in normal dungeons and trials). Is a fantastic set on normal content (dungeons and even normal trials with a lot of trash like AA & SO)

However NMG applies Major Fracture, something the tanks do, and only stack 1 per enemy. So kinda in the middle on single boss fights if there is a tank. For those scenarios have you considered TFS (4300 pen stack) or Spriggan (4000 pen upfront). Both those sets stack above major fracture (similarly to Alkosh)?

NMG now does major fracture! Was this changed as well? I thought it as a unique source of penetration. What else don’t I know.......

sunderflame is minor breach and fracture, that is why i didn't put them on my list, they, sunderflame and NMG, apply the same debuff t the target and pierce armor and power of the light. so don't use them. unless you are very sure that you are not going these debuffs on the targets, like in vMA

NeillMcAttack

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

I thought Mauls and Maces were relatively usleless as they applied the debuff after other sources of penetration and only took a percentage of what remained.
I’ve been away from the game for quite a while only returning around a month ago. Was this changed or have I had bad information for quite some time. Thanks for the info.

this debate is long and never really fruitful. the short of it though, the worse your team is at keeping debuffs up, the better mauls are.

but if you are really interested, here are some links-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5792545#Comment_5792545

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5774222#Comment_5774222

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5716471#Comment_5716471

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5679006#Comment_5679006

Thanks for these sir. I’m finding them very interesting!

Amorpho

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

At the moment, the cap is 18.2k It's easy to reach with a magicka build, but I find it particularly challenging with a stam build. Can anyone help?

You do not have to hit the cap, therwise you will reduce damage on normal content where is not needed. (over pen normal stuff)

The magic number is ~8400 (+ Major Fracture) where the daggers are doing 2% more damage than maces. (assuming the enemy has at least Major fracture on). If you are NB or Warden or DK you have a handy major fracture all the time (Surprise Attack, Sub Attack, Noxious Breath).

So because preferring to keep myself more balanced, personally I run 2 maces (precise) or Maul on all my Stamina DDs, with Lover Mundus.

If you are Templar/Sorc, and you do not want to rely on tanks apply major fracture, TFS or Alkosh are great sets to replace your crit set (Alkosh is a DD set after all). Paired with Briarheart you wont care about anything. Otherwise, rely on tanks/nb/warden/DK, and use Briar + Levi with hammers.

Is shame for penetration with have only 1 monster set with a very short range, while numerous exist for resistances, resources and damage.

I'm a stamsorc. For solo, I use briar heart, night mothers, x1 sharpened dagger and the lover.

Yeah that works great as I use NMG on my Templar solo build (tank in normal dungeons and trials). Is a fantastic set on normal content (dungeons and even normal trials with a lot of trash like AA & SO)

However NMG applies Major Fracture, something the tanks do, and only stack 1 per enemy. So kinda in the middle on single boss fights if there is a tank. For those scenarios have you considered TFS (4300 pen stack) or Spriggan (4000 pen upfront). Both those sets stack above major fracture (similarly to Alkosh)?

That's why I said that I only use NMG when playing solo. I know that major fracture is provided by tank

Alvar

Shardaxx wrote: »

The lover gives you penetration.

And y'all thought the devs were humorless.

Mancombe_Nosehair

Shardaxx wrote: »

The lover gives you penetration.

Woof!