Can someone explain weaving on a controller? (xbox)

Pajor

I do not understand how to do it. I tried looking for videos but it is mostly just for PC.

Iskiab

It’s the same, hit a light attack and then an ability right away. The light attack will fire despite the ability cancelling the animation.

The tricky part is timing your next light attack to do it again. If the timing’s too late you lose dps, if it’s too early the light attack won’t fire. It takes practice.

Just go to a dummy to get the timing down.

Pajor

How much time do I have to do it? Like less than 1 second? Or hit like light attack and a skill at the same time?

Iskiab

Try hitting the light attack and then the skill as fast as you can.

How fast depends on lag, that’s the other tricky part of getting it down.

If you use CMX what you want to see is a light attack each second plus an ability.

It takes a lot of practice, I really suggest practice on a dummy.

El_Borracho

Its a trial and error thing. I'm on PS4. It can't be too fast or too slow. Just takes time, you'll get there

EDIT: @Iskiab is right. Lag can also blow the whole thing up, too.

Iskiab

Someone mentioned that the psijiic elemental weapon animation is exactly one second too so good for practice. So hit a light attack and then elemental weapon right after and watch the animation, as soon as it’s done light attack and elemental weapon again.

Do this a couple million times and then start trying to do an actual rotation.

Siohwenoeht

Also remember that with the controller the light attack fires on release of the trigger, not on initial press. Hold too long and you'll get a heavy or "medium" attack instead.

Gilvoth

its not letting me load the video
type this into youtube search bar

"How to Animation and Block Cancel on Consoles"

it gives several videos that some reason are not allowed to be posted on this forum, not sure why.

pizzaow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=***-PBevmzVM

Gilvoth

pizzaow wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=***-PBevmzVM

thats a bad link

Waffennacht

Each ability has a key time for when you can first register a light attack, you then immediately hit the next ability.

Example: light attack and then dive from Warden (for dive on Warden you can hit LA once your character's arm is fully extended) then LA then immediately ability.

Immediately as in asap

Edit: When weaving and animation canceling, you won't ever really stop doing something while doing a rotation. Like LA, ability, LA, ability swap cancel, la, ability, la, ability, swap cancel etc

MentalxHammer

It's just the same as a keyboard and mouse my friend the only barrier is your brain getting used to inputting on a controller instead.

A few tips however, I always place main spammable ability on right bumper so that it is efficient to hit RT to activate a light attack then instantly slide my finger up to the RB to activate my spammable skill. You can do this just as fast you would on keyboard and mouse. Another tip is that the triggers do not register the input until they are pulled almost halfway in, if you have some software/hardware that can modify your triggers to be hair triggers this will save you a couple milliseconds with every weave.

goldenarcher1

Instructional video for light attack weaving.

doomette

MentalxHammer wrote: »

A few tips however, I always place main spammable ability on right bumper so that it is efficient to hit RT to activate a light attack then instantly slide my finger up to the RB to activate my spammable skill. You can do this just as fast you would on keyboard and mouse. Another tip is that the triggers do not register the input until they are pulled almost halfway in, if you have some software/hardware that can modify your triggers to be hair triggers this will save you a couple milliseconds with every weave.

Hmm I wonder if this will help my issues with sometimes (or often, depending on lag) missing a LA because I click too quickly. I have my spammable as B, but if I have to move my finger from the trigger to the bumper, I may miss fewer LAs. I’ll have to try that out.

Edit:
Just tried it out, and oh, oh my word. No missed LAs, and DPS increased quite a bit. Now of course with a target dummy it’s easy to not get flustered and revert back to mindless hitting B, but this just might be hugely helpful for me. Wasn’t directed at me, but a billion thanks nonetheless.

JumpmanLane

I use an Xbox One controller and it’s easy peasy on a MagDk. Light attack whip, light attack whip. Or structured Entropy light attack, structured Entropy light attack (yeah I spam structured Entropy at range. It’s cheap!).

Try whip block embers. Though technically that’s animation canceling lol.

Camb0Sl1ce

Someone on the forums compared it to the rhythm of a heart beat, and it is at least to me a rhythm. Once you get it though it'll feel like second nature, I can't help but weave on any role.

MentalxHammer

doomette wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

A few tips however, I always place main spammable ability on right bumper so that it is efficient to hit RT to activate a light attack then instantly slide my finger up to the RB to activate my spammable skill. You can do this just as fast you would on keyboard and mouse. Another tip is that the triggers do not register the input until they are pulled almost halfway in, if you have some software/hardware that can modify your triggers to be hair triggers this will save you a couple milliseconds with every weave.

Hmm I wonder if this will help my issues with sometimes (or often, depending on lag) missing a LA because I click too quickly. I have my spammable as B, but if I have to move my finger from the trigger to the bumper, I may miss fewer LAs. I’ll have to try that out.

Edit:
Just tried it out, and oh, oh my word. No missed LAs, and DPS increased quite a bit. Now of course with a target dummy it’s easy to not get flustered and revert back to mindless hitting B, but this just might be hugely helpful for me. Wasn’t directed at me, but a billion thanks nonetheless.

Happy to help mate!

Bootstomp

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Also remember that with the controller the light attack fires on release of the trigger, not on initial press. Hold too long and you'll get a heavy or "medium" attack instead.

I've wondered about this. The pattern I've gotten into on the XBox when I'm wielding a staff is to release the trigger, immediately fire an ability, and then press the trigger in anticipation of the next "cycle".

Is that wrong?

I seem to be able to get into a good rhythm doing it that way. I do it as fast as I can until things stop firing as expected and then I back off a bit.

ElectricWyzzard

Putting spammable on RB is a terrible idea - you cannot weave fast like that.

The most sensible position is on LB; rocking back and forth between LB and RT feels most natural, and your index finger (generally strongest) is on LB.

I’ve taught a lot of people and it seems many put their spammable on X - it’s almost like they copy PC bar setups whereby it’s the first ability on their bar, but you’ve got to remember for PC users that first skill slot is for their index finger. So to replicate that on console, we have to put our spammable as the 4th skill slot (on LB).

Literally everyone I’ve taught to change their set up like this has seen big dps improvements once they got used to it.

MentalxHammer

Being a former SSBM player where it was common to use 8-10 inputs per second, I have no issues weaving "fast" with my spammable on RB. I do see your point and I do agree that LB for the spammable would be the more efficient input. I'll give it a whirl!

CMDR_Un1k0rn

ElectricWyzzard wrote: »

Putting spammable on RB is a terrible idea - you cannot weave fast like that.

The most sensible position is on LB; rocking back and forth between LB and RT feels most natural, and your index finger (generally strongest) is on LB.

I’ve taught a lot of people and it seems many put their spammable on X - it’s almost like they copy PC bar setups whereby it’s the first ability on their bar, but you’ve got to remember for PC users that first skill slot is for their index finger. So to replicate that on console, we have to put our spammable as the 4th skill slot (on LB).

Literally everyone I’ve taught to change their set up like this has seen big dps improvements once they got used to it.

I'm a gamepad user on PC, and I'm going to give this a go. Many thanks.

Takes-No-Prisoner

ElectricWyzzard wrote: »

Putting spammable on RB is a terrible idea - you cannot weave fast like that.

The most sensible position is on LB; rocking back and forth between LB and RT feels most natural, and your index finger (generally strongest) is on LB.

I’ve taught a lot of people and it seems many put their spammable on X - it’s almost like they copy PC bar setups whereby it’s the first ability on their bar, but you’ve got to remember for PC users that first skill slot is for their index finger. So to replicate that on console, we have to put our spammable as the 4th skill slot (on LB).

Literally everyone I’ve taught to change their set up like this has seen big dps improvements once they got used to it.

Putting the correct ability on the correct button slot is very important. 100% Agreed. Once I switched my execute to O (PS4 controller, circle button), it became so much easier to hit R2 (Light Attack) slide my finger off, then immediately hit Execute button again very quickly. Rinse and repeat.

Donny_Vito

Iskiab wrote: »

Try hitting the light attack and then the skill as fast as you can.

How fast depends on lag, that’s the other tricky part of getting it down.

If you use CMX what you want to see is a light attack each second plus an ability.

It takes a lot of practice, I really suggest practice on a dummy.

CMX (Combat Matrix) is not available on console, nor are any add-ons.

Wavek

The long trigger pull on normal Xb1 controllers does present a slight timing issue with weaving. (as compared to a mouse click) You can still do it fine, you just have to adjust a bit. An alternative is to use an Elite controller and enable the 'short pull' trigger feature which makes weaving far easier.

doomette

ElectricWyzzard wrote: »

Putting spammable on RB is a terrible idea - you cannot weave fast like that.

The most sensible position is on LB; rocking back and forth between LB and RT feels most natural, and your index finger (generally strongest) is on LB.

I’ve taught a lot of people and it seems many put their spammable on X - it’s almost like they copy PC bar setups whereby it’s the first ability on their bar, but you’ve got to remember for PC users that first skill slot is for their index finger. So to replicate that on console, we have to put our spammable as the 4th skill slot (on LB).

Literally everyone I’ve taught to change their set up like this has seen big dps improvements once they got used to it.

And I was totally getting the hang out of RB, even in Cyro...mostly. Well, time to try LB.

Imza

practice, practice, practice and more practice...

when you can do it without thinking.... practice a bit more