Character Build Sharing

Fleshreaper

Do you share your character builds with other guild mates? I saw something the other day, where one person told a new guild member to not use builds from the internet but to make their own. Followed by the statement that they do not share their builds and that they would just have to "learn" how to make builds. They didn't even begin to help the new member learn how to create builds, just left them to figure it out. If you are not sharing your builds with guild members, why? What's the reason behind it.

KappaKid83

If you are in a guild that is actively telling you they won't share builds when asked for advice then that is a guild I would leave. Some people are pretty secretive but not even pointing the person in the right direction is pure BS in my opinion. It doesn't take long for an experience player to ask what kind of gear they may have and what they would like to accomplish whether it be tank/heal/DPS.

Edaphon

Fleshreaper wrote: »

If you are not sharing your builds with guild members, why?

Because my builds are terrible.

I saw something the other day, where one person told a new guild member to not use builds from the internet but to make their own.

In 9 out of 10 cases this is a recipe for disaster. Peoble love to bash "internet builds" but most of them are simply more effective than the builds that the self-proclaimed creative geniuses come up with.
When in doubt, just copy a build that works. You can still customize it later if you want or need to.

ThanatosXR

For being my first character, and critting 12k heals not even 400cp yet im happy although I tweak different things all the time, im litterally just sanctuary purple and 2 naga heavy/or trying some proc
https://postimg.cc/bsvFZr4h
Wearing 5 heavy in pvp as a healer is PIMP, always get ganked and they ether take forever to try to kill me or have to get a whole group to finish the job, reverse trolling cyro gankers is fun, need some work with dps output though.
The hardcore trolls stack warewolfs to 40k
https://youtu.be/iJmXVJVVoeg

D0PAMINE

I show my builds.

JumpmanLane

Fleshreaper wrote: »

Do you share your character builds with other guild mates? I saw something the other day, where one person told a new guild member to not use builds from the internet but to make their own. Followed by the statement that they do not share their builds and that they would just have to "learn" how to make builds. They didn't even begin to help the new member learn how to create builds, just left them to figure it out. If you are not sharing your builds with guild members, why? What's the reason behind it.

“We ain’t giving out builds!” or “Now you giving out builds!” is what I was told by a great pal of mine who taught me MagDk and gives me all kinds of builds (tho mostly I say “I ain’t running THAT!” before I end up running it).

Thing is very few people who actually CAN theorycraft really good builds share them with anyone but their actual friends. Fools you’re in a guild with aren’t necessarily your friends.

I can only speak for MagDk; but none of the PvP builds you’ll find online are worth running except for ScarrX’s and IT’S so good it’s not the kind of build anyone would give out.

Kel

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Fleshreaper wrote: »

Do you share your character builds with other guild mates? I saw something the other day, where one person told a new guild member to not use builds from the internet but to make their own. Followed by the statement that they do not share their builds and that they would just have to "learn" how to make builds. They didn't even begin to help the new member learn how to create builds, just left them to figure it out. If you are not sharing your builds with guild members, why? What's the reason behind it.

“We ain’t giving out builds!” or “Now you giving out builds!” is what I was told by a great pal of mine who taught me MagDk and gives me all kinds of builds (tho mostly I say “I ain’t running THAT!” before I end up running it).

Thing is very few people who actually CAN theorycraft really good builds share them with anyone but their actual friends. Fools you’re in a guild with aren’t necessarily your friends.

I can only speak for MagDk; but none of the PvP builds you’ll find online are worth running except for ScarrX’s and IT’S so good it’s not the kind of build anyone would give out.

This forum...

I once made a statement about how PvP'ers in ESO were so secretive of the builds they used, in a thread where someone was asking for build advice.
Another person tried arguing with me, saying it was ridiculous...that there's not some secret cabal where people wouldn't share builds.....until I asked that player what they were using then. If it's no secret, share with us what you run.

Do you think they did?


Nope...lol...they did not.


I'll say it again. PvP players in this game are some of the most secretive people I've seen in any game.

JumpmanLane

Kel wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Fleshreaper wrote: »

Do you share your character builds with other guild mates? I saw something the other day, where one person told a new guild member to not use builds from the internet but to make their own. Followed by the statement that they do not share their builds and that they would just have to "learn" how to make builds. They didn't even begin to help the new member learn how to create builds, just left them to figure it out. If you are not sharing your builds with guild members, why? What's the reason behind it.

“We ain’t giving out builds!” or “Now you giving out builds!” is what I was told by a great pal of mine who taught me MagDk and gives me all kinds of builds (tho mostly I say “I ain’t running THAT!” before I end up running it).

Thing is very few people who actually CAN theorycraft really good builds share them with anyone but their actual friends. Fools you’re in a guild with aren’t necessarily your friends.

I can only speak for MagDk; but none of the PvP builds you’ll find online are worth running except for ScarrX’s and IT’S so good it’s not the kind of build anyone would give out.

This forum...

I once made a statement about how PvP'ers in ESO were so secretive of the builds they used, in a thread where someone was asking for build advice.
Another person tried arguing with me, saying it was ridiculous...that there's not some secret cabal where people wouldn't share builds.....until I asked that player what they were using then. If it's no secret, share with us what you run.

Do you think they did?


Nope...lol...they did not.


I'll say it again. PvP players in this game are some of the most secretive people I've seen in any game.

What you’re saying is true. It’s not a cabal or anything but very few people share builds at all. A friend of mine is one of the best MagDk’s on PcNA (if not THE best, everyone will agree that he is VERY good).

That fool taught me everything I know about MagDk. He’s always testing and coming up with new builds. He’s always giving those builds to me and our other friends. He’ll tell us in a heartbeat what he’s running and most IMPORTANTLY why he’s running it. In short he SHARES.

So, I thought you just shared builds. But nooooo. Folks really don’t. We talked about it once and he was like nah...don’t be giving out builds.

There’s plenty of reasons not to. First, all the time and energy coming up with something effective. Second, ZOS idea of balancing is to lower the standard of play down to casual pugs. ANYTHING effective that becomes widely known is nerfed. Thirdly, some cheese builds like Blobs MagDk Sloads build when Summerset first dropped was the kind of build veteran theorycrafters could have come up with; but the average player couldn’t have on their own. Folks were like “he shouldn’t have shared THAT.” Though, it did help get Sloads nerfed so oh well...

Kel

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Fleshreaper wrote: »

Do you share your character builds with other guild mates? I saw something the other day, where one person told a new guild member to not use builds from the internet but to make their own. Followed by the statement that they do not share their builds and that they would just have to "learn" how to make builds. They didn't even begin to help the new member learn how to create builds, just left them to figure it out. If you are not sharing your builds with guild members, why? What's the reason behind it.

“We ain’t giving out builds!” or “Now you giving out builds!” is what I was told by a great pal of mine who taught me MagDk and gives me all kinds of builds (tho mostly I say “I ain’t running THAT!” before I end up running it).

Thing is very few people who actually CAN theorycraft really good builds share them with anyone but their actual friends. Fools you’re in a guild with aren’t necessarily your friends.

I can only speak for MagDk; but none of the PvP builds you’ll find online are worth running except for ScarrX’s and IT’S so good it’s not the kind of build anyone would give out.

This forum...

I once made a statement about how PvP'ers in ESO were so secretive of the builds they used, in a thread where someone was asking for build advice.
Another person tried arguing with me, saying it was ridiculous...that there's not some secret cabal where people wouldn't share builds.....until I asked that player what they were using then. If it's no secret, share with us what you run.

Do you think they did?


Nope...lol...they did not.


I'll say it again. PvP players in this game are some of the most secretive people I've seen in any game.

What you’re saying is true. It’s not a cabal or anything but very few people share builds at all. A friend of mine is one of the best MagDk’s on PcNA (if not THE best, everyone will agree that he is VERY good).

That fool taught me everything I know about MagDk. He’s always testing and coming up with new builds. He’s always giving those builds to me and our other friends. He’ll tell us in a heartbeat what he’s running and most IMPORTANTLY why he’s running it. In short he SHARES.

So, I thought you just shared builds. But nooooo. Folks really don’t. We talked about it once and he was like nah...don’t be giving out builds.

There’s plenty of reasons not to. First, all the time and energy coming up with something effective. Second, ZOS idea of balancing is to lower the standard of play down to casual pugs. ANYTHING effective that becomes widely known is nerfed. Thirdly, some cheese builds like Blobs MagDk Sloads build when Summerset first dropped was the kind of build veteran theorycrafters could have come up with; but the average player couldn’t have on their own. Folks were like “he shouldn’t have shared THAT.” Though, it did help get Sloads nerfed so oh well...

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. No one wants to get zerged down by thier own build...lol.

I just thought it was funny. In one breath this person's telling me PvP players don't keep secret builds, then he wouldn't share his.

And, then again, sharing opens you up to ridicule. You could come up with the most op thing ever put together, and 4 out of 10 players will tell you it sucks, just...because...

Jeremy

Fleshreaper wrote: »

Do you share your character builds with other guild mates? I saw something the other day, where one person told a new guild member to not use builds from the internet but to make their own. Followed by the statement that they do not share their builds and that they would just have to "learn" how to make builds. They didn't even begin to help the new member learn how to create builds, just left them to figure it out. If you are not sharing your builds with guild members, why? What's the reason behind it.

They probably don't want to be copied by others. That's their reason. People who work hard on coming up with their own builds likely don't want others to just copy and paste all their hard work.

When people send me whispers asking about my build I usually just give them a broad outline of what I do. I rarely go into specific details because I like for others to put their own personal touch on how they play instead of simply copying what someone else told them.

Iskiab

I’m on the fence about it, it can be good and bad.

In another game Rift with lots of build options I came up with a build called Sabdancer which was ridiculously OP. I kept it secret and was able to use it for months before it got nerfed.

I found another couple specs and posted them online but they weren’t as overpowered, just good.

Usually people keep specs to themselves because of a broken mechanic that they want to take advantage of and not get fixed. Sometimes... well often... players don’t come up with a good build on their own, and there’s almost always a better build out there.

Another thing is it’s almost never a single person. Usually it’s a small group of people sharing ideas and things they’ve found that makes a build shine. There are too many variables out there for one person to figure something out, so not sharing within your guild is RIDICULOUS because the person’s missing a second set of eyes that could make tweaks to improve it. Like even when I figured sabdancer out, when I shared it with some others they made tweaks that improved it.

Karmanorway

I share some of my builds, the ones i share are pretty common ones but still good. But in private i play niche hybrid builds, those i keep to myself, considering how much effort i put in to find something unique that suits me, why? Because, if everyone would run that, game would be boring, and cheesy, imagine being silver leashed into a heavy attack that steals half your hp bar, and 8k dot ticks + executes to finish the job xD

Taleof2Cities

My guilds are pretty transparent about sharing builds within the guild and so am I.

Sharing PvP builds with the general player-base is a little more difficult. I don’t want players to skip having a thought process or theorycraft session.

JumpmanLane

Kel wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Fleshreaper wrote: »

Do you share your character builds with other guild mates? I saw something the other day, where one person told a new guild member to not use builds from the internet but to make their own. Followed by the statement that they do not share their builds and that they would just have to "learn" how to make builds. They didn't even begin to help the new member learn how to create builds, just left them to figure it out. If you are not sharing your builds with guild members, why? What's the reason behind it.

“We ain’t giving out builds!” or “Now you giving out builds!” is what I was told by a great pal of mine who taught me MagDk and gives me all kinds of builds (tho mostly I say “I ain’t running THAT!” before I end up running it).

Thing is very few people who actually CAN theorycraft really good builds share them with anyone but their actual friends. Fools you’re in a guild with aren’t necessarily your friends.

I can only speak for MagDk; but none of the PvP builds you’ll find online are worth running except for ScarrX’s and IT’S so good it’s not the kind of build anyone would give out.

This forum...

I once made a statement about how PvP'ers in ESO were so secretive of the builds they used, in a thread where someone was asking for build advice.
Another person tried arguing with me, saying it was ridiculous...that there's not some secret cabal where people wouldn't share builds.....until I asked that player what they were using then. If it's no secret, share with us what you run.

Do you think they did?


Nope...lol...they did not.


I'll say it again. PvP players in this game are some of the most secretive people I've seen in any game.

What you’re saying is true. It’s not a cabal or anything but very few people share builds at all. A friend of mine is one of the best MagDk’s on PcNA (if not THE best, everyone will agree that he is VERY good).

That fool taught me everything I know about MagDk. He’s always testing and coming up with new builds. He’s always giving those builds to me and our other friends. He’ll tell us in a heartbeat what he’s running and most IMPORTANTLY why he’s running it. In short he SHARES.

So, I thought you just shared builds. But nooooo. Folks really don’t. We talked about it once and he was like nah...don’t be giving out builds.

There’s plenty of reasons not to. First, all the time and energy coming up with something effective. Second, ZOS idea of balancing is to lower the standard of play down to casual pugs. ANYTHING effective that becomes widely known is nerfed. Thirdly, some cheese builds like Blobs MagDk Sloads build when Summerset first dropped was the kind of build veteran theorycrafters could have come up with; but the average player couldn’t have on their own. Folks were like “he shouldn’t have shared THAT.” Though, it did help get Sloads nerfed so oh well...

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. No one wants to get zerged down by thier own build...lol.

I just thought it was funny. In one breath this person's telling me PvP players don't keep secret builds, then he wouldn't share his.

And, then again, sharing opens you up to ridicule. You could come up with the most op thing ever put together, and 4 out of 10 players will tell you it sucks, just...because...

I unno, I don’t think people who come up with builds that are ACTUALLY good builds care if EVERYONE copypasted and ran their stuff because generally players who can theorycraft can actually PLAY. They’d mop most fools off the floor ANYWAY.

I’m dead sure they’re not scared of getting laughed at because they’re killing stuff in the build or they wouldn’t be running it.

I think they’re more afraid ZOS will nerf some aspect of their builds to lower the standard of gameplay down to casuals and the unskilled majority, who keep ZOS in business, incidentally. Simple as that.

Coming up with a good build WORTH running isn’t the easiest thing in the world to do. Kudos to the guys who can do it. In order to get really good at the game, everyone should be at least TRYING to run something suited to their own playstyle. If you don’t know any good theorycrafters then online builds are the ONLY place to start.

Particularly, people like Alcast, Dottz, even old Gilliam builds are good because they explain some of the reasoning behind their builds. Take what you can from them. Yet, merely copy pasting builds isn’t a good idea. There’s WAY better stuff to run.

That alone makes me think people like that aren’t sharing their REAL builds. If they are they shouldn’t. Then again some folks put out bad builds they ARE running because they THINK they’re good; but it’s TRASH lol. Take it all with a grain of salt.

Turtilla

PvE player here. I have no issues sharing my builds with people who are curious about them (not that they are top notch, or very unique). Speaking of uniqueness - being super secretive about that is plain silly: I didn't make my builds from scratch. There is others who have tested/calculated which traits are the best, which sets are good. I checked what works for me, I worked out a rotation and maybe a slightly different skillset. But it's group work ^^
I've also never been turned down when I inquired about something.

srfrogg23

Fleshreaper wrote: »

Do you share your character builds with other guild mates? I saw something the other day, where one person told a new guild member to not use builds from the internet but to make their own. Followed by the statement that they do not share their builds and that they would just have to "learn" how to make builds. They didn't even begin to help the new member learn how to create builds, just left them to figure it out. If you are not sharing your builds with guild members, why? What's the reason behind it.

I don't share builds. People are too prone to taking build advice as if it was the only way to do things. People also like to pretend that if a particular build combo isn't the BiS META from some YouTuber, then it is "worthless" and they will insist on pushing that stupid misconception on to everyone else. They like the word "viable" because they think it sounds smart.

Spend enough time reading the forums and you will see plenty of examples of what I mean. There are way too many builds to suggest that any particular one is the way to go.

Er go, it is better to ask for recommended stats for a particular role more than anything else.

Armor, weapons, health, magicka, stamina, crit chance, etc. has a much bigger impact on "viability" than most other things. The rest is best discovered through tinkering.

therift

I will tell guildmates what I run, but it generally doesn't do them any good: they don't play like I do; they don't have my experience; they employ different tactics... this is a PvP perspective.

What actually helps is giving tips on how to improve what they have, how to boost the playstyle they're best at, how to fix weaknesses.

Having tried copypasta builds myself... I don't recommend them beyond a baseline starting point. PvP builds, in my opinion, account for only 20% to 25% of success; the rest comes from experience, skill, and tactics.

Iskiab

Yea, I started as a Magblade thinking I’d go pve dps and everyone told me I made a good choice. I tried pvp and it felt weak and the long queue times as a dps sucked so I tried healing.

When I asked around the answer I got was ‘don’t’. After healing pve I started healing in pvp. People were jerks and I remember some people making comments on my team (it’s always the worst player on the team too and I think it’s from insecurity).

Now I see it being more popular. Anyways my point is most players are sheep, figure out what they’re doing and it’s pretty easy to build to counter it, that’s the real strength of making your own build.

Runefang

PvE players are rarely secretive given the nature of playing as a team. PvPers are about beating others, so being secretive about your "super duper" build makes some sense.

The advice to ignore online builds is generally good, at least for PvE, since they're normally just dummy beating builds. You can run them in actual content too but you have to use your brain and be honest with how good you really are. Zaan is no good unless you're in melee range, Siroria isn't good if you have to move a lot, Spell Strategist isn't good if there are multiple targets etc.

Fleshreaper

I completely understand the PvP aspect. From a PvE stand point, I would think you would want other people in your guild to get better. The bigger the pool of good players, the more access you have to harder content. Well, I was just wondering, like I said I saw that and it left me scratching my head. I did help the new person, at least get started in the right direction.

Kittytravel

Fleshreaper wrote: »

If you are not sharing your builds with guild members, why? What's the reason behind it.

So I'll be honest. I don't share my builds outright in a copy/paste manner; however if a guildie tells me what they want out of the game and at what complexity they wish to play I happily work with them to make a build fit for their needs or give them one of mine and detail out for them how it works.

I've done this from a range of people who just wanted to shoot a bow and not flip bars to one bar players to dual bar players but only press 2-4 abilities. I think if you can find a guild that has players like that who will teach you about build creation and work you alongside them so that you understand what they are doing and why they are using certain skills/morphs/passives then it'll make you happier in the long run VS just copying a build on the internet or from a guild mate.

That way when you make another alt or want to change the build to a higher complexity maybe you'll be able to figure out how to do it yourself or with less help than before.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

If I have a highly specific niche build I theorycrafted myself and know that there’s maybe a 1% chance others are running it, I’m not sharing it. If it’s a general build that most people run or it’s remotely meta, I have no problem sharing.

Example - pre proc set and clever alchemist nerfs.

My magblade was using 5 light clever alchemist, 5 spinners (ice staff) and tremorscale. One of my favorite magblade builds to date and was absolutely disgusting. I never shared until the nerfs took place because I had such a unique build and no one was even thinking of running a ice staff let alone tremorscale at the time on a mag character. This was all allowed due to a minor change many overlooked that heavy ice staff attacks would act as a taunt and I built around this.

rotaugen454

At first, I thought the thread title was Character Build Shaming, which is what it often turns into.

MartiniDaniels

rotaugen454 wrote: »

At first, I thought the thread title was Character Build Shaming, which is what it often turns into.

^ this. Or more like Character Build Bashing.
PVE: in majority of situations I saw, nobody is interested in somebody's builds and starts with lazy questions about sets and then bash it to the ground for every single difference with well-known meta even if that "meta" is already outdated;
PVP: share your build -> "hmm, not bad, but i got a better version of this idea, wanna try in duel"? So it turns to physical bashing, which is actually best way to compare builds

MartiniDaniels

Runefang wrote: »

PvE players are rarely secretive given the nature of playing as a team. PvPers are about beating others, so being secretive about your "super duper" build makes some sense.

The advice to ignore online builds is generally good, at least for PvE, since they're normally just dummy beating builds. You can run them in actual content too but you have to use your brain and be honest with how good you really are. Zaan is no good unless you're in melee range, Siroria isn't good if you have to move a lot, Spell Strategist isn't good if there are multiple targets etc.

Come on, any sane person understands this nuances about Zaan and carries Skoria in backpack for fights where melee is not possible, as for 5-pieces majority people I know have all or several of viable sets, i.e. Siroria/BSW/Mothersorrow /Spellstrat/Masterarchitect/Acuity/Julianos and use them accordingly to next boss. Using another set from viable pool doesn't make your build unique. Same for using other spammable or ulti. Let's face truth in PVE dpsing it's always the same build with adaptations.

DKMaestro

I sometimes ask after BG what someone runs. Sometims they share. Usually it is some version running dual Master axes and bleeds...…
As a sorc in PVP, I run different armor sets all the time. I hear that running one health-armor like Plaugue Doctor and Necopotence is pretty potent.
I run Spinner and Necropotence with one pet, and then switch it up on the monster set by using Molag kena to get high burst. But like most people, I die quickly when I get focused on. If I go 8-8 with a handful of assists, its been a good match

LeagueTroll

pvp builds are often time not shared, ppl are just greedy they want to abuse the little advantage they found as long as possible.
pve builds are everywhere, no point hiding it.