Trial Activity Finder

regime211

Sounds bad? but its even worse sitting in craglorn for a extended period of time trying to find a group, maybe implement something like this Zos? I'm in a trials guild but half the time people don't want to respond when running certain or any trials.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

yeah it is...if you think DF for normal and vet is bad...take that to the next level for trials...just no.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

I could see it for nomal but it would be hard and rarely used outside of filling hole in preformed group

Kel

I put this in another thread, but fits here as well....



This is largely dependent on the queue/dungeon finder actually working...but...

I'd like to see NORMAL TRIALS ONLY in the finder.

Why?

#1) Because a pug is a pug, and theres literally no guarantee between the quality of a group from a finder system or shouting out in chat for an hour.

#2) Speaking of shouting out in chat, the reason I'd like to see this happen is because I WAS shouting out in chat in Craglorn all day yesterday. No groups for normal trials. The "just ask in chat" solution isnt really a solution if people don't respond.

#3) There's literally nothing wrong with having options. You personally don't want to use the group finder for normal trials, simply don't use it. Why, then, if you wouldn't intend to use it, would you want to deny the option to those who would?

Like I said, this greatly would be dependent on the group finder working though, so probably not happening... 😕

regime211

Are there any OTHER area's than craglorn to request for help in a trial? Because this is beyond pointless and a flawed system of zos.

Kurat

regime211 wrote: »

Are there any OTHER area's than craglorn to request for help in a trial? Because this is beyond pointless and a flawed system of zos.

Craglorn is the main zone to ask but sometimes jumping from zone to zone gets you the ppl.
Best way to get groups is joining multiple trial guilds.

Royalthought

Id support a que. Especially for normal.

No reason not to have the option

Meesha1170

I think if implemented properly it could work great. Even if there was a way for a guild member organizing a trial run to send a shout out through the whole game that they need roles filled would be immensely helpful.

ccfeeling

There are no specific role number in the trials , unlike group finder , ZOS defined the 4 man dungeon as 1 tank 1 healer 2 dps as default setting .

Say for examples

VHRC - 2 tanks
VSO - 2 tanks
VAA - 1 tank

All above Vet trials can use only 1 healer unless the group is running HM , 2 is always welcome , depends on the leader .

ThanatosXR

They need a open group finder/creator, its so werid they havent created one

Dark_Lord_Kuro

ccfeeling wrote: »

There are no specific role number in the trials , unlike group finder , ZOS defined the 4 man dungeon as 1 tank 1 healer 2 dps as default setting .

Say for examples

VHRC - 2 tanks
VSO - 2 tanks
VAA - 1 tank

All above Vet trials can use only 1 healer unless the group is running HM , 2 is always welcome , depends on the leader .

I'd say 8-2-2 for a group finder trial would be pretty balanced(need to be the same for all of them) , and just like dongeon you can enter how you want it in a preformed group

Jeremy

regime211 wrote: »

Sounds bad? but its even worse sitting in craglorn for a extended period of time trying to find a group, maybe implement something like this Zos? I'm in a trials guild but half the time people don't want to respond when running certain or any trials.

This should have been done a long time ago. Not sure why they haven't.

They need to add Blackrose Prison and Dragonstar to the activity finder as well.

idk

The first question is why does OP sit in Craglorn waiting for someone else to do something. Stand up and step up to start forming the group yourself. It sounds a heck of a lot better than sitting and waiting.

Second question is if your "trials" guild is turning out to not be much of a trials guild then search for a better one. There are many poorly run guilds out there that do not have real leadership providing for their members and as such there is not much activity as OP describes.

But even then you should stand up form groups within that guild. It is sad that people wait around for someone else to do something for them. Start contributing.

FierceSam

Can’t see this happening

1 Group Finder already can’t cope at busy times. ZOS can’t fix it, so they’re unlikely to build on it.

2 More significantly, I don’t know if it would solve your real issue, namely too few players want to do trials when you do. There really isn’t a technical solution to this

3 Although Craglorn chat isn’t perfect, it’s far better to have a single place which everyone knows about than many places. I don’t think the reason you couldn’t find a group was that people didn’t know where to go to find out about/get into a random trials group.

4 I’m not sure this week (and yesterday in particular) is a good indicator as people are box chasing and you can only get 1 box per toon per trial per week, so many committed trialists will already have all the boxes they can get from trials so doing more is a waste of effort. Also Wednesday was ‘changeover day’ and many will have spent it doing full on crafting to ensure they get double rewards when the Anniversary quests flip on Thursday.

The only way to alleviate the underlying issue - too few players want to do trials - is to encourage more people to do them. Figuring out how can you help bring on new players within your guild might help increase the numbers wanting to play (and would make them more likely to join you if you were forming a group).

I don’t know how often you want to do trials, but in our guild we’ve found the most effective solution is to run them regularly at specific times. Initially it was a bit of a slog, but now it’s going great guns. We run them 3 - 4 days a week at varying levels and they’re often oversubscribed.

Good luck and have fun.

Jeremy

FierceSam wrote: »

Can’t see this happening

1 Group Finder already can’t cope at busy times. ZOS can’t fix it, so they’re unlikely to build on it.

2 More significantly, I don’t know if it would solve your real issue, namely too few players want to do trials when you do. There really isn’t a technical solution to this

3 Although Craglorn chat isn’t perfect, it’s far better to have a single place which everyone knows about than many places. I don’t think the reason you couldn’t find a group was that people didn’t know where to go to find out about/get into a random trials group.

4 I’m not sure this week (and yesterday in particular) is a good indicator as people are box chasing and you can only get 1 box per toon per trial per week, so many committed trialists will already have all the boxes they can get from trials so doing more is a waste of effort. Also Wednesday was ‘changeover day’ and many will have spent it doing full on crafting to ensure they get double rewards when the Anniversary quests flip on Thursday.

The only way to alleviate the underlying issue - too few players want to do trials - is to encourage more people to do them. Figuring out how can you help bring on new players within your guild might help increase the numbers wanting to play (and would make them more likely to join you if you were forming a group).

I don’t know how often you want to do trials, but in our guild we’ve found the most effective solution is to run them regularly at specific times. Initially it was a bit of a slog, but now it’s going great guns. We run them 3 - 4 days a week at varying levels and they’re often oversubscribed.

Good luck and have fun.

Adding trials and arenas to the mix might help alleviate the pressure on the system because there would be less DPS waiting in queues due to more of them getting in on the trials. So I believe this would actually help that problem, not make it worse.

It's also very difficult for casual or busy players to commit to a guild schedule. So that's not a solution that is going to work for a lot of people.

Heelie

I always supported the idea of instead of shouting LFG, you should be shouting LFM, if you can't find a group, start one yourself, as for a group finder, I could see this as tool for a raid lead to fill 2-3 positions. Not a tool to start a group from scratch. Even normal trias require some sort of leadership.

FierceSam

Jeremy wrote: »

Adding trials and arenas to the mix might help alleviate the pressure on the system because there would be less DPS waiting in queues due to more of them getting in on the trials. So I believe this would actually help that problem, not make it worse.

It's also very difficult for casual or busy players to commit to a guild schedule. So that's not a solution that is going to work for a lot of people.

You might be right, but I don’t think the group finder issues are down to numbers waiting as much as number of instances running at the same time. The error message is deliberately misleading to shift ‘blame’ onto players rather than the server. At peak times it doesn’t work for dungeons, it doesn’t work for Battlegrounds and ZOS haven’t been able to fix it. Right now, they’d be insane to want to add anything else to the mix.

I would have thought it’s much easier for people, busy or not, to coordinate their activities with 11 other players if you’re doing events at regular times rather than hoping everyone is free, in game and up for a trial. You might not be able to make it, but everyone knows that is when we go trialling. We’ve found it has a much better success rate than randomly asking for trialists in chat.

OP’s issue is they can’t find people to do trials. I don’t think the issue is a lack of a group finder as much as it is a lack of players wanting to play trials. This is one solution that encourages new players to do trials, is relatively easy to set up and organise and doesn’t rely on ZOS building a trials group finder.

SoLooney

The minute zos puts trial finder in the game, is the minute the forum are gonna be flooded with complaints from fake tanks and healers, bad players, queue not working, queue taking too long, not able to complete the trial, the frustration etc etc

No thanks, finding 11 other people is a pain, we get it, join multiple trials guilds that actually organizes runs or dont run them at all

ThanatosXR

Everyone does trials though guilds usually, I dont think it needs say matchmaking, just start being a known player and people will invite
Craiglorn,vet dungeons,pvp is where the end game community is

Heelie wrote: »

I always supported the idea of instead of shouting LFG, you should be shouting LFM, if you can't find a group, start one yourself, as for a group finder, I could see this as tool for a raid lead to fill 2-3 positions. Not a tool to start a group from scratch. Even normal trias require some sort of leadership.

Well you know it would have helped if they allowed gobal channels, in lotro we had /glff and "Open Fellowships"(largely used for pvp raiding)
The isnt even any ingame raid commands on console

Kel

idk wrote: »

The first question is why does OP sit in Craglorn waiting for someone else to do something. Stand up and step up to start forming the group yourself. It sounds a heck of a lot better than sitting and waiting.

Second question is if your "trials" guild is turning out to not be much of a trials guild then search for a better one. There are many poorly run guilds out there that do not have real leadership providing for their members and as such there is not much activity as OP describes.

But even then you should stand up form groups within that guild. It is sad that people wait around for someone else to do something for them. Start contributing.

I was doing both...waiting for someone to advertise a run, and when that failed, tried starting my own.
Didn't just stay in Craglorn either. Went around to all major cities.

Glad to say, I did get in a nHR run...but it took about an hour and a half to actually put a group together, and the group was iffy at best.

Didn't get any gear I was looking for, and even though I advertised it as a farm run (or multiple runs), no one wanted to stay..not exactly the best way to farm gear.

All in all, a group tool would've probably let me run nHR two or three times in the time it took to start my own group from start to finish, for one run.

Dragonnord

You mean a "Carry me in trials" tool?
 

kylewwefan

It won’t work. They tried it. Must had been really bad for them to take it out of the game.

If they did implement one, it would need to work for both normal and vet.

But it won’t.

Maybe there’s a little problem with the vet version of trials?

Tasear

ccfeeling wrote: »

There are no specific role number in the trials , unlike group finder , ZOS defined the 4 man dungeon as 1 tank 1 healer 2 dps as default setting .

Say for examples

VHRC - 2 tanks
VSO - 2 tanks
VAA - 1 tank

All above Vet trials can use only 1 healer unless the group is running HM , 2 is always welcome , depends on the leader .

VAA for pugs it's better to have two tanks if possible. They can share burden of axes and one on boss

rotaugen454

Pugs might work for normal AA, good luck with just about anything else.

idk

Kel wrote: »

idk wrote: »

The first question is why does OP sit in Craglorn waiting for someone else to do something. Stand up and step up to start forming the group yourself. It sounds a heck of a lot better than sitting and waiting.

Second question is if your "trials" guild is turning out to not be much of a trials guild then search for a better one. There are many poorly run guilds out there that do not have real leadership providing for their members and as such there is not much activity as OP describes.

But even then you should stand up form groups within that guild. It is sad that people wait around for someone else to do something for them. Start contributing.

I was doing both...waiting for someone to advertise a run, and when that failed, tried starting my own.
Didn't just stay in Craglorn either. Went around to all major cities.

Glad to say, I did get in a nHR run...but it took about an hour and a half to actually put a group together, and the group was iffy at best.

Didn't get any gear I was looking for, and even though I advertised it as a farm run (or multiple runs), no one wanted to stay..not exactly the best way to farm gear.

All in all, a group tool would've probably let me run nHR two or three times in the time it took to start my own group from start to finish, for one run.

At least you are working to form groups. However, GF is not the panacea you seem to think it is.

First, Zos has no business adding trials to the GF until they actually fix the GF so it works right. It would be stupid to add to it's load without getting it to work during prime time.

But that is a separate issue.

Second. I assume you are speaking of nHRC when you say nHR. It is sad how many players are challenged with the top boss in there on normal difficulty level. I have run with a casual guild because friends were in there and they could not clear the top boss.

And that is not the hardest fight in trials either.

In the end I do not really care if they add them to GF though I think it would be a poor decision for quality sake. I am in raiding guilds and clear multiple trials a night most nights of the week except when doing progression on a new trial since it takes work to get to clearing it smoothly.

That is why I suggest finding a good guild. Clearly you do not have such a guild or you would not be looking to Zone for raiding needs. Even a decent casual guild will be much superior to anything GF can offer and we know that factually based on how it is with dungeons now.

And you think tanks avoid GF now. Any tank worth their salt will not queue for trials in GF. They pretty much avoid it now. It comes down to most decent players have guilds for this. total random groups via GF are not getting our stronger players, especially tanks.

Kel

Dragonnord wrote: »

You mean a "Carry me in trials" tool?
 

As opposed to people getting carried asking in chat?

What's the difference, exactly?
😂

SoLooney

Kel wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

You mean a "Carry me in trials" tool?
 

As opposed to people getting carried asking in chat?

What's the difference, exactly?
😂

You can mask it easily in a finder, if you're asking in chat, you're exposing yourself but at least you're being honest

Facefister

Your average random struggles at vSpindle1 last boss, have fun clearing anything with more than one mechanic.