Stam whip

ochsinator

Should dk get a stam whip?

Ragnarock41

Yes

The only way to make some sense out of world in ruin. And the only way to end the memes.

But in all seriousness, this ''poison dk'' thing is way too niche and does not make sense. I don't have the tools to make something out of it, the builds that Zenimax hates and tries to end are actually the ones that make the most out of stamDks ''intended playstyle''.(aka claws spammable, noxious spammable. You reap what you sow zenimax.)

Xvorg

Nopes.

Stam whip would be worst than puncture as spammable. Flame lash is a bad spammable and the only thing that makes it viable is because it is melee and DK has no passive that supports ranged dmg. A couple buffs to ranged DK and we will never see flame lash again.

Minalan

Yeah sure, let's make Stam DK even more ridiculous than it will be next patch.

I hear purple crayons taste the best, let's eat some!

White wabbit

Gotta love biased polls

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Have you guys seen what Stam DK is doing on PTS? Assuming Stamcro gets brought back in line (once pets stop criting 100%), Stam DK might just be leading the pack. The new passive is pretty nuts.

Toc de Malsvi

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Have you guys seen what Stam DK is doing on PTS? Assuming Stamcro gets brought back in line (once pets stop criting 100%), Stam DK might just be leading the pack. The new passive is pretty nuts.

Yes, slotting a magicka spammable to get a buff and spam an AOE debuff as a spammable. It does work, its very arguably unhealthy for the game, it's also unlikely to stick given the changes ZOS made to Venomous Claw and the reasoning thereof.

Toc de Malsvi

I don't think stam Whip does much other than make some players enjoy the class more.

Stam DK dot's are not powerful enough to be the "DOT class", Stam DK doesn't have much passive synergy with its own dots. Combustion is weak, not only is poisoned status effect weaker than Burning but it proc's less often when destro staff passives are taken into account. Warmth is kind of a joke, you already have to be on the target to snare them in most cases and you don't really need a snare if you are on top of them. Searing Heat is a duration booster that could/should just be baked into the skills themselves. World in Ruin is primarily significant on skills the majority of Stam DK's are not using.

Helping Hands stam return is tied to costly Mag skills, of which only really 2-3 have any utility. Mountains Blessing ult return and Minor Brutality is tied to the same costly Mag skills. Eternal Mountain is yet another duration buff, two duration buff passives in the same class. Two single target CC's in the same class skill line.

I agree with the sentiment that a DK should be fire not poison. My particular builds benefit greatly from the latest WorldInRuin changes, however it is getting away from what I and many other envisioned when we rolled the class.

joseayalac

No.

I play SDK PVP main and I don't want that crap. Thanks!

ochsinator

joseayalac wrote: »

No.

I play SDK PVP main and I don't want that crap. Thanks!

Doesn’t effect you then lol so might as well let it happen

Davadin

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Have you guys seen what Stam DK is doing on PTS? Assuming Stamcro gets brought back in line (once pets stop criting 100%), Stam DK might just be leading the pack. The new passive is pretty nuts.

what new passives?

Toc de Malsvi

Davadin wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Have you guys seen what Stam DK is doing on PTS? Assuming Stamcro gets brought back in line (once pets stop criting 100%), Stam DK might just be leading the pack. The new passive is pretty nuts.

what new passives?

They are talking about the new whip and slotting it for the passive weapon damage boost.

GeorgeBlack

Bros I dont understand why you want to copy magDK.
I play stamDK 90% of the game and even though the class is lacking I would hate to spam whip like a magDK.
StamDK needs to have useful passives and stamina tools. A whip would be ugly and useless.

Calboy

So if stam had a whip, wouldn't that just make them essentially magdks?

Chilly-McFreeze

Calboy wrote: »

So if stam had a whip, wouldn't that just make them essentially magdks?

Does it make your StamBlade to a MagBlade because they share a spam?

Calboy

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

So if stam had a whip, wouldn't that just make them essentially magdks?

Does it make your StamBlade to a MagBlade because they share a spam?

Well a melee magblade is essentially a stamblade, a much much weaker version due to the close combat tools stamina has. Now imagine the same scenario but with dragonknights, it would be mayhem and them magicka dk will be indirectly nerfed into oblivion because of it.

ochsinator

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Bros I dont understand why you want to copy magDK.
I play stamDK 90% of the game and even though the class is lacking I would hate to spam whip like a magDK.
StamDK needs to have useful passives and stamina tools. A whip would be ugly and useless.

@GeorgeBlack whip is cool man I don’t think it’s copying mag dks we would still have to use a bunch of weapon abilities buts we’d throw in a few whips in the mix you know

Ragnarock41

Yes

Minalan wrote: »

Yeah sure, let's make Stam DK even more ridiculous than it will be next patch.

I hear purple crayons taste the best, let's eat some!

To be real with you, The ''ridicilous'' setup you're talking about already has a really good spammable.

There are a lot of stamDks that are bored of using sword and shield, they are already at a disadvantage for not using SnB anyways, so why rob them of even the most basic feature of any build, a spammable? In all honesty I don't want a green whip either, but a class spammable would be a lot of fun to play with.

Its okay for stamblades to be a tanky brawler apparently, so why can't a Dk build more aggressively?

Give me a legit reason, I will wait. Or are you trying to tell me you consider a 2h or dual wield Dk as ridicilous?

Davadin

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Have you guys seen what Stam DK is doing on PTS? Assuming Stamcro gets brought back in line (once pets stop criting 100%), Stam DK might just be leading the pack. The new passive is pretty nuts.

what new passives?

They are talking about the new whip and slotting it for the passive weapon damage boost.

ah... bah. it's stupid. it's not worth losing vigor or any other more useful skill.

ok, maybe for trial-DPS PvE, but for most content or PvP, i just don't see it.

ochsinator

Davadin wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Have you guys seen what Stam DK is doing on PTS? Assuming Stamcro gets brought back in line (once pets stop criting 100%), Stam DK might just be leading the pack. The new passive is pretty nuts.

@Davadin

what new passives?

They are talking about the new whip and slotting it for the passive weapon damage boost.

ah... bah. it's stupid. it's not worth losing vigor or any other more useful skill.

ok, maybe for trial-DPS PvE, but for most content or PvP, i just don't see it.

By bar for pvp right now on SnB bar is vigor. frag shield. Wings. Reverb. Heroic slash.

On 2h it’s noxious breath. Spiked armor. Rally. Ven claw. Reverse slice.

Is we got stam whip I’d switch out heroic for puncture and whip for noxious breath and I feel like the set up would be better. Because whip should to 50% more damage then heroic and be a much better spammable. Or I could just which is out for can claw. Still think if they made it strong as it should be it would be worth wild in pvp.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Have you guys seen what Stam DK is doing on PTS? Assuming Stamcro gets brought back in line (once pets stop criting 100%), Stam DK might just be leading the pack. The new passive is pretty nuts.

Yes, slotting a magicka spammable to get a buff and spam an AOE debuff as a spammable. It does work, its very arguably unhealthy for the game, it's also unlikely to stick given the changes ZOS made to Venomous Claw and the reasoning thereof.

Oh, fully agree that I am not exactly a fan of using AOEs as spammable. It is just interesting is all. And it certainly shows that they are aware that DK is in a bad spot and trying to make changes. Problem is that most of the high end testers are apparently more clever than anyone on the balance team at ZOS. I dont think they anticipated Noxious breath or the crappy morph of Steel Tornado (its so crappy on live I cant remember it's name, haha) being used as spammables or executes.

That said, from a PVE DPS rotation, it doesnt matter what skills look like or how they were intended to function. It all comes down to GCD's. People will figure out the best bar setup and skill priority/rotation for optimal DPS, and that is what they will run.

Ragnarock41

Yes

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Have you guys seen what Stam DK is doing on PTS? Assuming Stamcro gets brought back in line (once pets stop criting 100%), Stam DK might just be leading the pack. The new passive is pretty nuts.

Yes, slotting a magicka spammable to get a buff and spam an AOE debuff as a spammable. It does work, its very arguably unhealthy for the game, it's also unlikely to stick given the changes ZOS made to Venomous Claw and the reasoning thereof.

Oh, fully agree that I am not exactly a fan of using AOEs as spammable. It is just interesting is all. And it certainly shows that they are aware that DK is in a bad spot and trying to make changes. Problem is that most of the high end testers are apparently more clever than anyone on the balance team at ZOS. I dont think they anticipated Noxious breath or the crappy morph of Steel Tornado (its so crappy on live I cant remember it's name, haha) being used as spammables or executes.

That said, from a PVE DPS rotation, it doesnt matter what skills look like or how they were intended to function. It all comes down to GCD's. People will figure out the best bar setup and skill priority/rotation for optimal DPS, and that is what they will run.

Claws is also not in a great spot now that they took away what made it unique. In PvE its still a good dot, in PvP its outperformed by carve, an AoE dot, yes.

So overall everything is a mess for stamDk.

Have I mentioned your stamDK can actually use cauterize now to be even more of a boring tank? Yeah, you can do that now.

Davadin

ochsinator wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Have you guys seen what Stam DK is doing on PTS? Assuming Stamcro gets brought back in line (once pets stop criting 100%), Stam DK might just be leading the pack. The new passive is pretty nuts.

@Davadin

what new passives?

They are talking about the new whip and slotting it for the passive weapon damage boost.

ah... bah. it's stupid. it's not worth losing vigor or any other more useful skill.

ok, maybe for trial-DPS PvE, but for most content or PvP, i just don't see it.

By bar for pvp right now on SnB bar is vigor. frag shield. Wings. Reverb. Heroic slash.

On 2h it’s noxious breath. Spiked armor. Rally. Ven claw. Reverse slice.

Is we got stam whip I’d switch out heroic for puncture and whip for noxious breath and I feel like the set up would be better. Because whip should to 50% more damage then heroic and be a much better spammable. Or I could just which is out for can claw. Still think if they made it strong as it should be it would be worth wild in pvp.

I'm more of a dw/2h dude, but i get it. I'm so tired of shield.

Banana

Id like a class change for my stamina dk. Whip wouldn't help my interest.