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rileynotzb14_ESO

Seems most ppl think PetSorc is strongest in small fights. I should have specifically excluded them as it has been very strong cheese build for years now.

RebornV3x

Warden - Stamina

Well since Nightblades getting nerfed next patch its probably between Stam DK and Stam Warden

Iskiab

Warden - Stamina

RebornV3x wrote: »

Well since Nightblades getting nerfed next patch its probably between Stam DK and Stam Warden

I don’t think they’re even in contention unless it’s a vote for weakest pvp class. I wouldn’t expect to see a vote for stamblade unless pvers vote.

I’d say between stamwarden and magsorc.

Vermethys

Warden - Stamina

Stam Warden, MagSorc, and StamDK are the top classes imo.

Fiktius

Warden - Magicka

I missclicked. Meant to give my vote for Stamina Warden.

oXI_Viper_IXo

Warden - Stamina

Tough to beat the sub/dawny/s2w combo

Thogard

Nightblade - Stamina

It really really depends on what type of PvP you’re doing.

For instance, stamina wardens are the top of the 3-8 sized groups (small scale), but are the literal worst class for dueling.

SidraWillowsky

Fiktius wrote: »

I missclicked. Meant to give my vote for Stamina Warden.

Maybe you first thought that the poll was "most annoying pvp class"? Though I guess magdens are tied with stamdks.

Fiktius

Warden - Magicka

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Fiktius wrote: »

I missclicked. Meant to give my vote for Stamina Warden.

Maybe you first thought that the poll was "most annoying pvp class"? Though I guess magdens are tied with stamdks.

Most annoying class vote would defenitely go towards magden at this current patch due how they make moving challenging with their slowing abilities in battlegrounds. Have to see how they perform after Elsweyr patch.

However what comes with strongest class, it was a hard choice between Stam Warden and Magicka Sorcerer.
Both can be very powerful in good hands.

Iskiab

Warden - Stamina

Thogard wrote: »

It really really depends on what type of PvP you’re doing.

For instance, stamina wardens are the top of the 3-8 sized groups (small scale), but are the literal worst class for dueling.

I don’t duel, but even if that’s true that would mean they’re in contention for strongest pvp class in 2+ sized groups. They’re a strong cyrodiil class too.

In what percentage is dueling important? 5% of situations (being generous for me). I guess it depends on the player.

Healers are in the same position, I don’t think anyone would say healers suck in pvp because they can’t 1v1.

Am I misremembering, or didn’t you say Nightblades don’t make it to high MMR?

cazlonb16_ESO

Sorcerer - Magicka

Thogard wrote: »

It really really depends on what type of PvP you’re doing.

For instance, stamina wardens are the top of the 3-8 sized groups (small scale), but are the literal worst class for dueling.

Who gives a flying rat's behind about dueling ? It's pretty irrelevant both in Cyro as well as in bgs.

Me I'm not on the Stamden hate train either, btw. Their burst is easy enough to avoid if the server responds...IF.

Minno

Dragonknight - Stamina

I accidentally voted stamDK when I meant to go magsorc .

Thogard

Nightblade - Stamina

Iskiab wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

It really really depends on what type of PvP you’re doing.

For instance, stamina wardens are the top of the 3-8 sized groups (small scale), but are the literal worst class for dueling.

I don’t duel, but even if that’s true that would mean they’re in contention for strongest pvp class in 2+ sized groups. They’re a strong cyrodiil class too.

In what percentage is dueling important? 5% of situations (being generous for me). I guess it depends on the player.

Healers are in the same position, I don’t think anyone would say healers suck in pvp because they can’t 1v1.

Am I misremembering, or didn’t you say Nightblades don’t make it to high MMR?

You’re remembering correctly. I voted for NB because it was funny lol.

CatchMeTrolling

Sorcerer - Magicka

As of this patch , it’s definitely sorc.

technohic

Warden - Stamina

Open world perspective; the favorites seem to be stamden, pet sorc, and stam dk together. Definitely a tank and spank group. I think most of it is pet sorc and stamden.

NBs are strong isolated but dont really accomplish much other than inflate egos and irritate people

Insco851

Sorcerer - Magicka

Magsorc and it’s not particularly close

MaxJrFTW

Sorcerer - Magicka

Overall i'd say mag sorc.

For group play it's definitely stamden followed by magden.

Flame_of_Hades

Sorcerer - Magicka

Magsorc, but lets preface that with PET SORCS

kaithuzar

Warden - Stamina

@ZOS, see the ones that have 0 votes?
Focus on fixing/buffing those.

Iskiab

Warden - Stamina

kaithuzar wrote: »

@ZOS, see the ones that have 0 votes?
Focus on fixing/buffing those.

I think they sort of are with RAT and aoe changes. It’s a good start.

wheem_ESO

Iskiab wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

@ZOS, see the ones that have 0 votes?
Focus on fixing/buffing those.

I think they sort of are with RAT and aoe changes. It’s a good start.

The buffs to Stamina AOE damage are most definitely not good starts. In PTS BGs I've seen 4.3k up-front damage on Cleave (with further ~1.5k ticks from its bleed), over 4k damage on Whirling Blades when it was the second item on my recap, and a 6.6k Whirling Blades from the same player in the same BG when it was the killing blow. Plus, each of those abilities can proc the passive bleed from their respective weapon lines.

I've also been worried that ZOS would overcorrect when it comes to doing something about snares and roots in BGs, and I think the change to Race Against Time might be exactly that (BGs basically stopped happening on PTS, though, so it's hard to say for sure). I think cutting some snare %'s down (and where's the nerf to spammable gap closer snares, for crying out loud), along with adding in the timer for root immunity after being rooted was probably good enough.

Knootewoot

Nightblade - Magicka

Magblade. Or is it?

Iskiab

Warden - Stamina

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

@ZOS, see the ones that have 0 votes?
Focus on fixing/buffing those.

I think they sort of are with RAT and aoe changes. It’s a good start.

The buffs to Stamina AOE damage are most definitely not good starts. In PTS BGs I've seen 4.3k up-front damage on Cleave (with further ~1.5k ticks from its bleed), over 4k damage on Whirling Blades when it was the second item on my recap, and a 6.6k Whirling Blades from the same player in the same BG when it was the killing blow. Plus, each of those abilities can proc the passive bleed from their respective weapon lines.

I've also been worried that ZOS would overcorrect when it comes to doing something about snares and roots in BGs, and I think the change to Race Against Time might be exactly that (BGs basically stopped happening on PTS, though, so it's hard to say for sure). I think cutting some snare %'s down (and where's the nerf to spammable gap closer snares, for crying out loud), along with adding in the timer for root immunity after being rooted was probably good enough.

Yea, I stopped after 3. Tried a 4th but the queue time was 1 hour and gave up.

Thing is strong aoe favours ranged and spreading out.

Next PTS cycle PvPers might want to coordinate BG playtimes and get queues going.

Davadin

Nightblade - Stamina

current live: stamBlade and magSorc.

Nothing new.


Elsewyr: MagDK/hybrid-DK and stam-Necro.

Brrrofski

Sorcerer - Magicka

Thogard wrote: »

It really really depends on what type of PvP you’re doing.

For instance, stamina wardens are the top of the 3-8 sized groups (small scale), but are the literal worst class for dueling.

Yeh, I agree.

For small groups or even big groups, Stam and mag warden and magplar are the strongest.

For solo, stamblade and mag sorc are the strongest.

Mag sorc can synergise well in a group though with negate, so went with that.

thankyourat

Sorcerer - Magicka

Thogard wrote: »

It really really depends on what type of PvP you’re doing.

For instance, stamina wardens are the top of the 3-8 sized groups (small scale), but are the literal worst class for dueling.

That's not necessarily true. The stamina warden builds that are strong for 1vX and group play are weak for dueling, but you can build a stamina warden that's built mainly for duels and it would be just as good as other classes (beside pet sorc and mag dk) all though you would have to give up alot of your 1vX capabilities. Honestly duels are more about builds now than classes in my opinion

Durham

Nightblade - Stamina

Stam Templar no votes

Casul

Sorcerer - Magicka

Strongest is between Stamwarden and Magsorc. I went with Magsorc simply because I main Stamwarden so I know their kit very well compared to magsorc. Also i personally struggle when fighting magsorcs so its a personal issue as well.

Both are just really strong in good hands.

Iskiab

Warden - Stamina

Looking at votes is interesting. A lot of longtime players chose magblade.

Makes me wonder if I’m missing something, or if people are voting strategically to give every class some votes. You know, to try and stem salty forum tears bringing up this thread later when asking for dumb nerfs.

Waffennacht

Iskiab wrote: »

Looking at votes is interesting. A lot of longtime players chose magblade.

Makes me wonder if I’m missing something, or if people are voting strategically to give every class some votes. You know, to try and stem salty forum tears bringing up this thread later when asking for dumb nerfs.

NB had (has?) an incredibly high skill ceiling, so most view it as bad while experienced players have other expectations

Unfadingsilence

Sorcerer - Magicka

Pet sorc all day after that stam NB hands down