Pet Sorc - what does "hiding behind pets" mean?

Mariusghost84

I was trying out a build and someone whispered me and called me a noob for "hiding behind pets" . What does that mean? I was in plain sight lol.

Checkmath

The pets of sorcerer are in the same way targetable as you as a player. Hiding behind pets mean, that you interupt the line of sight of your enemy by staying behind your pets, making him target the pets instead of you.
This way people with targetable pets (sorcs, wardens and necros) are more robuste than other classes, since the pets absorb a good amount of damage, which was actually aimed at you.

Mariusghost84

Checkmath wrote: »

The pets of sorcerer are in the same way targetable as you as a player. Hiding behind pets mean, that you interupt the line of sight of your enemy by staying behind your pets, making him target the pets instead of you.
This way people with targetable pets (sorcs, wardens and necros) are more robuste than other classes, since the pets absorb a good amount of damage, which was actually aimed at you.

Oh, i wasnt aware that this was a think. Thanks for clearing it up!

Wing

yup a lot of "elite" sorcs will run twilight and atro and hop around in them to make it really hard to target them on top of already still absurd levels of protection.

even more fun when its duo or more, 6 targets in close proximity, 4 of them with huge hit boxes, and only 2 of them you want to target jumping around in between them.

much fun.

universal_wrath

Wing wrote: »

yup a lot of "elite" sorcs will run twilight and atro and hop around in them to make it really hard to target them on top of already still absurd levels of protection.

even more fun when its duo or more, 6 targets in close proximity, 4 of them with huge hit boxes, and only 2 of them you want to target jumping around in between them.

much fun.

Try fighting full pet builds. Twilit, moneky, dreadroth and storm atro. Very cancerous indeed. Too much dmg, too much protection, too much pressure

Floplag

File under "you suck cause you wont stand still and let me kill you easily.

Seriously though pet specs have always been told this in these games in the same way that ranged specs like Snipers get grief for not walking up into melee range so they can be destroyed.

There are many different ways to play these games but for some reason the melee crowd things everyone else is supposed to play their way or be given grief for it as opposed to them having to work to figure out how to counter you.

In short, ignore them, play how you want, its your money.

BXR_Lonestar

If you have ever tried to fight a pet sorc from range, their pet will often flash in front of the sorc, disrupting your ability to hit your intended target. Rather than hitting the sorc, who is already heavily shielded, you end up using an ability that hits the pet instead. It's not really broken per se IMO, but it is a major pain when your in the heat of battle and you miss at crucial points in the fight because the pet got in the way. But it is also part of the game - just wish they had to make a choice between heavy shields OR a pet - but not both.

Moloch1514

Just a pvp thing.

WrathOfInnos

Your opponent would rather you send your pets away or put them on passive behind you, so they can get a clear shot. They have not learned how to target in this game and would rather blame your build than attempt to get better. I would recommend beating them repeatedly and laughing at the hate whispers.

SirMewser

It means you have control of other people's emotions, if they whisper you with hate, it's actually a complement for defeating them.

It's cheese, but who doesn't cheese?
People find ways and that's the game of cheesing.

DeadlyRecluse

I once ran a group of 6 petsorcs in PvP. 5 of us had double pets, one was a stamsorc with a clannfear for the meme.

It was lowkey OP, but kinda boring.

katorga

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Your opponent would rather you send your pets away or put them on passive behind you, so they can get a clear shot. They have not learned how to target in this game and would rather blame your build than attempt to get better. I would recommend beating them repeatedly and laughing at the hate whispers.

The more they nerf the worse the players get. Pets used to be utter garbage, and now all of a sudden people can't target. Six months from now they will be lobbying for completely flat, barren terrain maps because they can't handle trees and rocks.

Datolite

From a pvp standpoint there are certain "cheap" mechanics/tactics like stealth spamming, pets, snipemonkeys, permafrost lockdown builds etc.that take very little skill but give a huge advantage to players. The person was probably frustrated at this, and while I personally think it's quite annoying and the game should have an option to set pets as non targetable, you can't blame a player for using everything at their disposal to gain advantage.

That being said, you can't always credit them for it either.

jcm2606

Floplag wrote: »

File under "you suck cause you wont stand still and let me kill you easily.

Seriously though pet specs have always been told this in these games in the same way that ranged specs like Snipers get grief for not walking up into melee range so they can be destroyed.

There are many different ways to play these games but for some reason the melee crowd things everyone else is supposed to play their way or be given grief for it as opposed to them having to work to figure out how to counter you.

In short, ignore them, play how you want, its your money.

The problem comes when they unintentionally screw you when you try to "play how you want". You don't even need to be targeting the owner for their pets to steal your skills/ultimates, you can quite literally have a pet walk just to the side of your character, off to the side of your screen, and your ultimate will hit the pet instead of you. Targeting really is just that wonky.

Tab targeting doesn't help either, because tab targeting seems to have its own will. One second none of your attacks are hitting the guy you have targeted, the next...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprAGEEfOPk

IMO there should be an option to disable pet targeting. It introduces so many unintended targeting problems, and the counter that is meant to be used -- tab targeting -- is so buggy that it's practically autopilot.

Waffennacht

It's far harder to control pets on console (we have no commands) so using them as Los is more difficult.

I also think the targeting issue is more prominent for ranged attacks.

I think it's a top tier build but not OP (my opinion)

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Wing wrote: »

yup a lot of "elite" sorcs will run twilight and atro and hop around in them to make it really hard to target them on top of already still absurd levels of protection.

even more fun when its duo or more, 6 targets in close proximity, 4 of them with huge hit boxes, and only 2 of them you want to target jumping around in between them.

much fun.

A DK complaining about Sorcs in PVP is perhaps the most laughable and absurd thing I have read on the internet today. You are literately the rock to their scissors. Thanks, for that.

DocFrost72

Floplag wrote: »

File under "you suck cause you wont stand still and let me kill you easily.

^ /thread

Aurielle

Some pet sorcs abuse this to an extreme in BGs, having 8-16 pets active at one time. It’s pure no-skill cancer. These same sorcs insist that sorcs NEED to pet stack to do well in BGs, but that is absolutely false. They pet stack because they know it is a hard carry, and because they know it irritates people. Griefing, plain and simple.

Moonsorrow

And not just hide behind the pet. But inside them too.

Go inside the tauntaun Luke.

bardx86

Aurielle wrote: »

Some pet sorcs abuse this to an extreme in BGs, having 8-16 pets active at one time. It’s pure no-skill cancer. These same sorcs insist that sorcs NEED to pet stack to do well in BGs, but that is absolutely false. They pet stack because they know it is a hard carry, and because they know it irritates people. Griefing, plain and simple.

Agreed. I play Sorc without a single pet and do just fine. Pets are for folks who can't pvp and have no friends, so they have to summon a friend to help them out.

Mariusghost84

bardx86 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Some pet sorcs abuse this to an extreme in BGs, having 8-16 pets active at one time. It’s pure no-skill cancer. These same sorcs insist that sorcs NEED to pet stack to do well in BGs, but that is absolutely false. They pet stack because they know it is a hard carry, and because they know it irritates people. Griefing, plain and simple.

Agreed. I play Sorc without a single pet and do just fine. Pets are for folks who can't pvp and have no friends, so they have to summon a friend to help them out.

I am very bad a pvp and i have no friends, would you recommend me going with a Pet build for pvp?

Beardimus

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

I was trying out a build and someone whispered me and called me a noob for "hiding behind pets" . What does that mean? I was in plain sight lol.

It means the person fighting you isnt a very good player and they got mega salty, folks like to blame things other than themselves.

So....GG!

Undefwun

Legit effective build.. sure.

Cheap and cheesy... definitely! And look at them all defend it.. lol..I don't really count zoo sorcs as players..

Stand inside your atro and hold down left mouse button... throw couple master's lightning weaves to maximise cheese..

Feanor

Aurielle wrote: »

Some pet sorcs abuse this to an extreme in BGs, having 8-16 pets active at one time. It’s pure no-skill cancer. These same sorcs insist that sorcs NEED to pet stack to do well in BGs, but that is absolutely false. They pet stack because they know it is a hard carry, and because they know it irritates people. Griefing, plain and simple.

Playing the game with a build you don’t like is griefing now? The community really comes along lately.

Spizzie

jcm2606 wrote: »

Floplag wrote: »

File under "you suck cause you wont stand still and let me kill you easily.

Seriously though pet specs have always been told this in these games in the same way that ranged specs like Snipers get grief for not walking up into melee range so they can be destroyed.

There are many different ways to play these games but for some reason the melee crowd things everyone else is supposed to play their way or be given grief for it as opposed to them having to work to figure out how to counter you.

In short, ignore them, play how you want, its your money.

The problem comes when they unintentionally screw you when you try to "play how you want". You don't even need to be targeting the owner for their pets to steal your skills/ultimates, you can quite literally have a pet walk just to the side of your character, off to the side of your screen, and your ultimate will hit the pet instead of you. Targeting really is just that wonky.

Tab targeting doesn't help either, because tab targeting seems to have its own will. One second none of your attacks are hitting the guy you have targeted, the next...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprAGEEfOPk

IMO there should be an option to disable pet targeting. It introduces so many unintended targeting problems, and the counter that is meant to be used -- tab targeting -- is so buggy that it's practically autopilot.

This is such an obvious and easy fix for the issue at hand. The problem with pets is not the on-paper benefits that they provide (although that Matriarch obviously needs adjustment), but the logistical problem of fighting through the pets to the enemy. There is just an absurd amount of damage mitigation that comes from having your enemy accidentally hit your pet with their frags/fossilize/poison inject/destro reach/etc. If there was an option in the settings menu that allowed you to -never- hit pets with single target abilities unless they were tab targeted, all of these issues go away. And even better, the true value and benefits of having pets could be more easily evaluated.

Vapirko

Tab targeting works wonders against pet sorcs.

jcm2606

Vapirko wrote: »

Tab targeting works wonders against pet sorcs.

Heh, watch my video. Tab targeting is legitimately broken.

gepe87

I always play nopet magsoec but sometimes i try to use it. The max health buff is nice as the burst heal, but i still go back to no pet.

Betty_Booms

The matriach is great for off heals in BGs. Dont listen to the nay sayers or non pet heroes. Truth is it is powerful. Using it for LOS is just one aspect. I have played both with and without pets and I find matriach is best for the group for its heals. The only other option is resto staff heals which arent as effective.

Just about all the top MMR players run matriach only.