Need help...someone good with numbers and gear. Magden pve

Joxer61

Howdy, and I hope someone can help! Have spent several hours on Magden and dummy trying to sort out a gear set that works "best", for now. I don't have Siroria but have Spell Strat, MS, Necro, Julianos and War Maiden and have tried different combos of each but just cant seem to get it all to line up, so to speak. Cant help feeling I am doing something wrong, set on body should be on front bar, etc.
So, does anyone have half a clue with this stuff and can offer up some help/advise? Having Spell Strat on front bar thus far seems to be the best option but then which for body? Bloody hell how do these build makers do this stuff?? lol...doing my head in. Anyways, thanks and if no one can help that's fine of course, it is a big ask with so little info to go on.

ShadowKyuubi

Yeah, it can be easy to become overwhelmed with all the set that are available. You seem to be on the right track in terms of just testing thing out, and if it works for you. Just a couple questions. Do you use the Bear as your ultimate? What kind of weapons do you use, I assume destro, but never hurts to ask? Also, do you have any Monster Sets?

Joxer61

ShadowKyuubi wrote: »

Yeah, it can be easy to become overwhelmed with all the set that are available. You seem to be on the right track in terms of just testing thing out, and if it works for you. Just a couple questions. Do you use the Bear as your ultimate? What kind of weapons do you use, I assume destro, but never hurts to ask? Also, do you have any Monster Sets?

Yea, that info would help eh...was half asleep when I posted, lol.
Bear, yes and I have Slimeclaw helm and Zaan shoulders atm until I get a proper helm. Lightning staff both bars um..yea...think that's it. SAw somewhere that necro not so good any more cuz folks don't go for flat stats or something like that? I have Mothers Sorrow and Julianos for both body and weap/jewl, just which is the tricky part? Spell Strat good single target but what about my aoe's, are those getting buffed at all from it?
Funny thing is testing with my Stamden I am getting upwards of 4 - 5k more overall....problem is I don't really like melee (in trials), just my luck....lol!

WrathOfInnos

My preference on Magden is Master Architect front bar and Mother’s Sorrow. Maelstrom Inferno back bar. Mixed Crit monster helm and shoulders (or 2 pc Slimecraw if you don’t slot Bird of Prey or have combat prayer).

Edit: Shadow Mundus is what makes Mother’s Sorrow good. And if you are solo you can swap Architect to Siroria.

Joxer61

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

My preference on Magden is Master Architect front bar and Mother’s Sorrow. Maelstrom Inferno back bar. Mixed Crit monster helm and shoulders (or 2 pc Slimecraw if you don’t slot Bird of Prey or have combat prayer).

Edit: Shadow Mundus is what makes Mother’s Sorrow good. And if you are solo you can swap Architect to Siroria.

Thanks heaps for that! Gives me something to shoot for!!

UntilValhalla13

I've been trying to get better at magden, as a change of pace to my other dps characters. My highest parse so far was almost 46k on a 3 mil. I run master architect front bar with necro. The rotation isn't terribly bad after you get used to basing it around hitting shalks after every two abilities. I'm on console so it can be trickier to do a dynamic rotation.

My front bar: cliff racer, bird of prey, shalks, inner light, fetcher infection (the 50% increase morph), bear
Back bar: channeled acceleration, blockade, winters revenge, harness magic, betty netch, bear.

Static rotation is like: channeled, netch, swap, shalk, swap, winters, blockade, swap shalk, fetcher, bear, shalk, cliff racer x2, shalk, swap, winters, blockade, swap, shalk, cliff racer x2, shalk, fetcher, cliff racer, shalk swap, backbar dots etc.

You basically do 7 abilities on front bar, including shalks, before going back to your backbar dots. Occasionally you'll have to replace a cliff racer spam to go to your back bar for netch or channeled. Channeled usually takes up two ability cast times so you can run trap if you want. Hopefully it'll help you out some.

Like I said, it's still a work in progress, but I'm trying lol. XD

Joxer61

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

I've been trying to get better at magden, as a change of pace to my other dps characters. My highest parse so far was almost 46k on a 3 mil. I run master architect front bar with necro. The rotation isn't terribly bad after you get used to basing it around hitting shalks after every two abilities. I'm on console so it can be trickier to do a dynamic rotation.

My front bar: cliff racer, bird of prey, shalks, inner light, fetcher infection (the 50% increase morph), bear
Back bar: channeled acceleration, blockade, winters revenge, harness magic, betty netch, bear.

Static rotation is like: channeled, netch, swap, shalk, swap, winters, blockade, swap shalk, fetcher, bear, shalk, cliff racer x2, shalk, swap, winters, blockade, swap, shalk, cliff racer x2, shalk, fetcher, cliff racer, shalk swap, backbar dots etc.

You basically do 7 abilities on front bar, including shalks, before going back to your backbar dots. Occasionally you'll have to replace a cliff racer spam to go to your back bar for netch or channeled. Channeled usually takes up two ability cast times so you can run trap if you want. Hopefully it'll help you out some.

Like I said, it's still a work in progress, but I'm trying lol. XD

Helps heaps! Always good to see what others are or are not doing in ways of skills. Think I will stick with Spell Strat front and Mothers on body for now, see what I can get. If not may go back to necro body...although someone said somewhere that having a big mag pool isn't a thing now? Im not sure why it wouldn't be but ah well.... cheers!!

Kurat

Magden is the weakest dps class and their rotation is one of the hardest. BiS dummy gear is Siroria, Spell Strat and Zaan.

ShadowKyuubi

Kurat wrote: »

Magden is the weakest dps class and their rotation is one of the hardest. BiS dummy gear is Siroria, Spell Strat and Zaan.

Magdens are not the weakest, they can out perform a few other classes. Using the bear with Master's Architect is really good. You'll want to use Mother's Sorrow or Spell Strat with it, you can basically swap between the two. If you don't feel like running the bear, then run Siroria instead. You might see a increase in damage if you switch to Inferno staves. As for a monster helm, Za'an's is a good set to stick with.

Runefang

I’m so close to hitting 50k on the 6m dummy now. I run Zaan, Mother’s Sorrow and front bar Siroria for parsing and any static boss fight. For more dynamic fights I prefer Spell Strat front bar over Siroria, two Crit monster pieces over Zaan.

I do run front bar Master Architect if my group needs, the better my group the more likely I am to do that. There is a few other combos you can try, Spell Strat body plus Acuity front bar is also likely to do well, it’s a good combo for trials where burst is needed such as vCR.

Joxer61

Kurat wrote: »

Magden is the weakest dps class and their rotation is one of the hardest. BiS dummy gear is Siroria, Spell Strat and Zaan.

Gee thanks for that negative Nancy!! absolutely no help at all...but then you knew that.

Iron_Blurr

Setup #1 if breton
Max health+mag food
Front bar: Master architect/spell strat/burning spellweave. inferno (infused flame)
Off bar: vMa inferno (infused shock)
Head+shoulders (1 medium 1 heavy) Zaan/skoria/iceheart(depending on content)
Body set(all divines): necro/mothers sorrow/siroria/julianos
Jewelry whatever set you use front bar. Traits should be bloodthirsty or infused (arcane is ok but not best)
Jewelry glyphs should be all spell damage.

Setup #2 if high elf or anything else
Food: Witchmothers potent brew
Same as above but backbar glyph should be infused absorb magicka.

Abilities are set up like this
Front bar: inner light, bird of prey, shalks, cliff racer/ele weapon, fetcher infection, Bear ult.
Back bar: inner light, blue netch, channeled acceleration/rearming trap, blockade, winters revenge, bear ult.
Cliff racer will give you heals but ele weapon gives you a bit of minor vulnerability and burning uptime.
Consider channeled acceleration your flax spot. Sometimes i put these there: Balance/mushrooms/ele drain/lotus flower

Iron_Blurr

You can do 50k+ dps on magden. You just need to master the rotation.
If you want my rotation i can post it later when im not as tired.

Joxer61

Iron_Blurr wrote: »

You can do 50k+ dps on magden. You just need to master the rotation.
If you want my rotation i can post it later when im not as tired.

Cheers for that!! Huge help and great info!!!
"Rotation" would be cool but don't go out of your way.....my biggest hurdle has been sorting my armour sets and which to put where.

Runefang

@Joxer61 I recommend the rotation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjeuKeuKq2E

I hit 51k with that rotation today, and I don't have perfect Siroria either so it could be even better.

You can eek out a slightly higher dps with a dynamic rotation but unless you're really score pushing it's not woth it. And if you're score pushing why are you running a Magden anyway?

Joxer61

Runefang wrote: »

@Joxer61 I recommend the rotation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjeuKeuKq2E

I hit 51k with that rotation today, and I don't have perfect Siroria either so it could be even better.

You can eek out a slightly higher dps with a dynamic rotation but unless you're really score pushing it's not woth it. And if you're score pushing why are you running a Magden anyway?

That's awesome!!! And yea, I aint pushing any scores, just wanna play and have fun and get em done and Magden does that for me. Thanks!!

kylewwefan

when racial passives became flat numbers instead of percentage I lost a couple thousand max magic using Necro.

Maybe it’s still alright, but not what it was.

And even before that damage shields being capped by max health percentages, the max mag builds were already losing a lot of utility, and like the whole reason you were building max magic in the first place.

My best Dummy Damage has come from using the bear, Zaan, Siroria and spell strat.

That being said, I find Zaans and spell strat to be fairly worthless in any real fight. Because Zaans is always gonna proc on some silly little mob clinging on to life by a thread and then you wait another 20 seconds for it to maybe proc again on something useful.

Spell Strat becomes much less effective the second there’s more than one enemy to deal with.

Siroria is also a big offender. Like every fight in the game where you find yourself moving around constantly; siroria loses.


A Solid Setup

Iceheart Monster Set, Mother Sorrow/ Julianos. Maybe Try the Shadow Mundus. I use the apprentice.

What I can tell you with absolute certainty is keep your rotation simple and clean, and it will work better for you than some convoluted thing you can’t play well.

If you can play. And do decent damage. And not die every 5 seconds. You’ll be alright. Every time I swap stuff around to do more damage, it messes me all up.

I don’t use the bear, because it has issues. Maybe it’s just a platform or a me thing. We have a Love/Hate relationship. He’s like the best employee ya got, when he shows up. If he shows up. And doesn’t sit in the corner screwing around.

Because his problems, I usually keep Northern Storm front bar, Destro Ult Back bar. The storm gives you %8 extra max magic.

Joxer61

kylewwefan wrote: »

when racial passives became flat numbers instead of percentage I lost a couple thousand max magic using Necro.

Maybe it’s still alright, but not what it was.

And even before that damage shields being capped by max health percentages, the max mag builds were already losing a lot of utility, and like the whole reason you were building max magic in the first place.

My best Dummy Damage has come from using the bear, Zaan, Siroria and spell strat.

That being said, I find Zaans and spell strat to be fairly worthless in any real fight. Because Zaans is always gonna proc on some silly little mob clinging on to life by a thread and then you wait another 20 seconds for it to maybe proc again on something useful.

Spell Strat becomes much less effective the second there’s more than one enemy to deal with.

Siroria is also a big offender. Like every fight in the game where you find yourself moving around constantly; siroria loses.


A Solid Setup

Iceheart Monster Set, Mother Sorrow/ Julianos. Maybe Try the Shadow Mundus. I use the apprentice.

What I can tell you with absolute certainty is keep your rotation simple and clean, and it will work better for you than some convoluted thing you can’t play well.

If you can play. And do decent damage. And not die every 5 seconds. You’ll be alright. Every time I swap stuff around to do more damage, it messes me all up.

I don’t use the bear, because it has issues. Maybe it’s just a platform or a me thing. We have a Love/Hate relationship. He’s like the best employee ya got, when he shows up. If he shows up. And doesn’t sit in the corner screwing around.

Because his problems, I usually keep Northern Storm front bar, Destro Ult Back bar. The storm gives you %8 extra max magic.

is that with mothers on body and julianos on rest or other way around? and thanks for the info!!!!