So, Grim Focus and it's morphs...

Blackers

For those of you (if any) that will still play NB after patch v5.0.0, what skill will you replace Merciless Resolve/Relentless Focus for?

AbysmalGhul

I'm replacing my monster set *off to see the Slime Craw, the wonderful alligator of Wayrest*

rabidmyers

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

I'm replacing my monster set *off to see the Slime Craw, the wonderful alligator of Wayrest*

^

Blackers

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

I'm replacing my monster set *off to see the Slime Craw, the wonderful alligator of Wayrest*

Interesting, what current monster set would you be missing out on in that case? seems like quite a downgrade. but surly you will be replacing the skill none the less? I personally can't see why anyone would use it.

AbysmalGhul

Blackers wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

I'm replacing my monster set *off to see the Slime Craw, the wonderful alligator of Wayrest*

Interesting, what current monster set would you be missing out on in that case? seems like quite a downgrade. but surly you will be replacing the skill none the less? I personally can't see why anyone would use it.

You still need it to use the spectral bow, which is part of your rotation in PVE

Jhalin

Spend stam for literally no benifit

Now do 5 LAs and pay MORE stam to actually use the ability

Edit: now with more math!
3,442 stam and at minimum a 5s delay to actually see any use from this skill

ApostateHobo

I'm really hoping they don't put that pile of trash on live

Datthaw

Blackers wrote: »

For those of you (if any) that will still play NB after patch v5.0.0, what skill will you replace Merciless Resolve/Relentless Focus for?

That's the sad thing for magnb, I can't replace it. How the hell and I supposed to kill stuff without it? Spam concealed and cripple? Oh wait I have lotus buff....but...it's still not a burst so...yeah now my bar space needs 1 more offensive tool to work...

I will persevere

Datthaw

As far as magnb goes and I'm being serious here.

Zos is pigeonholing us into playing cloak abuse calu blades

It's looking like the only viable option as on now. And what kind of "balance"is it to have a class''s offense tied to a set. No other class is tied to a set the way magnb is, it's honestly a disgrace.

Nerftheforums

On stam, I'll put evil hunter, and replace incap for dbos. I'll have extra 6% wd and 10% crit, it's going to be fine.

On mag...well...you can't replace it. You won't kill anyone except extremely bad players without it. I think I'll simply stop playing magnb, especially considering the more nerfs coming to cripple. The finally sealed the coffin on magnb: the dead class is finally getting buried.

SippingPotions

If the current changes go live I was thinking swap my mag nb to stam, and replace it with camo hunter.

Mojmir

Reduce the proc to 2 casts.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

Blackers wrote: »

For those of you (if any) that will still play NB after patch v5.0.0, what skill will you replace Merciless Resolve/Relentless Focus for?

/facepalm

Dalsinthus

For pvp slimecraw plus evil hunter is looking good. Dawn breaker is also looking better than incap now. Oh well so much for class identity.

brandonv516

Blackers wrote: »

For those of you (if any) that will still play NB after patch v5.0.0, what skill will you replace Merciless Resolve/Relentless Focus for?

I've put Slimecraw on (in place of Engine Guardian) and I will now have room for Cloak, Concealed, and the new RaT on a single bar.

Knootewoot

I will replace it with RAT.

Then i go grind my a$$ of for caluurion. And i will wear spinner+zaan. Guess i just have to give it to be a procset ganker if i want to get any kills.

Mayrael

I'll need to adjust my setup a bit. In general I'll end with a bit more pressure, less burst and a lot better survivability without merciless. I'll be fine, what concerns me a bit is that with each update there is less NB in my NB, first time I'll have more non NB skills. Great job ZOS!

Dalsinthus

Mayrael wrote: »

I'll be fine, what concerns me a bit is that with each update there is less NB in my NB, first time I'll have more non NB skills.

This is my worry for the class as well. That and I think these changes will encourage more build homogenization around tankiness and brawling. Hack the Minotaur said something similar in his review video of the changes.

r34lian

Since I don't pvp so I don't care for any balance changes

Girl_Number8

Mayrael wrote: »

I'll need to adjust my setup a bit. In general I'll end with a bit more pressure, less burst and a lot better survivability without merciless. I'll be fine, what concerns me a bit is that with each update there is less NB in my NB, first time I'll have more non NB skills. Great job ZOS!

Yes great job killing Magblades~!! Smh Cx

Dark cloak plus the rest of it says 'Good job selling the Necro'. And Zos certainly doesn't know how to separate magic from stam. A non invisible 1 v X to 2 v X playstyle that doesn't gank gets killed. Zos hit the most under performing class there was and managed to make it a piece of garbage in pve, as well for the tankys.

I luv playing all the classes but this isn't balance, it is marketing to sell the Necro.

Royalthought

Dalsinthus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

I'll be fine, what concerns me a bit is that with each update there is less NB in my NB, first time I'll have more non NB skills.

This is my worry for the class as well. That and I think these changes will encourage more build homogenization around tankiness and brawling. Hack the Minotaur said something similar in his review video of the changes.

Not sure about that. Brawlers got pigeonholed too.

Suprise attacks penetration only works from the back or sides iirc. And the vulnerability is attached to a gap closer. Not to mention major fracture being limited to a crappy ability. Mark target should be renamed to "Alert target: so they can prevent your attack"

For those who fought toe to toe and without a gap closer theyre SOL. Ambush ganking from behind seems to be what they want.

/shrug

Raudgrani

If there's an insatiable urge to nerf things, remove the arrow from the stamina morph, or make it a heal alone - but keep Minor Berserk from both morphs, decrease the damage from the magicka morph, and increase the heal.

By any means, do whatever you do - but keep Minor Berserk. It's just wrong to remove it entirely, and make it only accessible to Wardens, or force us into wearing a monster set for access. This hurts NB's of all kinds in PVP, and reduce diversity by forcing everyone into teleport striking for same damage. No one will use another gap filler if this goes through, and we are back into NB's constantly teleport striking around the battlefield. Boring, and wrong.

Androconium

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

<snipenzeh>

I luv playing all the classes but this isn't balance, it is marketing to sell the Necro.

Just like hiding the butterflies behind DLC paywalls!!!!!


Seriously: Sadly this is likely to be the logic underpining every QoL change.
Once you start taking this cynical view, everything starts to make sense.

shimm

Errr, what’s RaT?

Fur_like_snow

I’ll be replacing it with necro.

Vietfox

Dalsinthus wrote: »

For pvp slimecraw plus evil hunter is looking good. Dawn breaker is also looking better than incap now. Oh well so much for class identity.

@Dalsinthus
Any particular reason why you choose Evil hunter over Camouflaged hunter?

InvictusApollo

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

I'm replacing my monster set *off to see the Slime Craw, the wonderful alligator of Wayrest*

I've seen tests suggesting that Slime Craw is still worse than two pieces which both give weapon damage. It might be true for spell damage as well.

As for OP question: I don't think I'm gonna be playing with my nightblade at all. I'd have to make her melee and I've got much much better stamina chars that fight at melee.

Jameliel

If I do still use my NB's in PvP, I'll probably just make troll builds. Hit and run with nonstop cloaking.

kringled_1

shimm wrote: »

Errr, what’s RaT?

Race against Time - Psijic skill.
Took me a few minutes to remember also.