For all the people who say Pet Sorcerer isn´t broken.....

technohic

Kill the matriarch and FFS, stun on cooldown. Pretty sure I have seen that duo before and yes, they are tough, but they are not unbeatable.

Marcus684

technohic wrote: »

Kill the matriarch and FFS, stun on cooldown. Pretty sure I have seen that duo before and yes, they are tough, but they are not unbeatable.

I'm amazed at how many 1-2vX videos showcase hordes of players that apparently don't slot a hard CC. I can't count how many of these fights I've come across and ended just by hitting the 1 guy with a debuff and Fossilize.

Iskiab

Meh, sorc is the one class I don’t have but still think they’re not overpowered. You’re probably going to see a lot of 1v20 videos soon with the PvP event, I don’t think you could convince me they’re OP even if there were 100s of them.

Thing is pvping a lot doesn’t necessarily make you good at it, and if anything can reinforce bad habits. I see this a lot in BGs where people don’t even try fighting a certain team and play for 2nd place. Some people are defeatist and cap how good they’ll ever be.

I still see people in the pvp forums talk about not using all impenetrable, even without wearing impregnable armour or using glass canon specs with low resistances. If someone sacrifices their survivability for a very small damage increase of course they’re going to end up on the other side of 1v20 videos.

Until the average skill level of a pvper goes up these videos are going to happen all the time. All nerfing the class will do is upset the people who play it because they like the playstyle, and those who aren’t attached play a different class.

Where sorc is strong is ranged ST burst and maneuverability, but that doesn’t make them OP.

Marcus684

I respecced my MagSorc to a pet sorc and took him into Boethiah to do some town quests and hunt gankers, and ye gods was it fun. Necropetence/Spinners/Infernal Guardian, hit the NB with Curse and just spam shields and Endless Fury and poof, no more ganker. I am a firmly average PvPer, but this was super easy mode even for me.

Edit: I now also see why NBs hate sorcs with such a passion 😆

Iskiab

I don’t think Nightblades hate sorcs. I play a magNB and am in the sorc isn’t OP side.

The reason NBs bring up sorcs so often is because sorcs are often compared to magblades. People call magblades half sorcs, so you’re going to naturally compare yourself to them. Like a sorc without burst.

Marcus684

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t think Nightblades hate sorcs. I play a magNB and am in the sorc isn’t OP side.

The reason NBs bring up sorcs so often is because sorcs are often compared to magblades. People call magblades half sorcs, so you’re going to naturally compare yourself to them. Like a sorc without burst.

MagNBs have no burst? You’re joking, right? I get blown up in 2 seconds or less by magNBs more than any other build, except maybe stamWardens with their Sub/DB/spin-to-win combo, albeit probably because you can’t mitigate what you can’t see coming.

Sanguinor2

Petsorc is strong yes, broken in a sense too but what I mean with broken here is not broken OP, but rather targeting barely working against a sorc that stands in his pets.

The atronarch Damage is easily avoidable, but the matriarch can hit some absurd numbers with daedric Prey, I recall getting hit for 3.5k or something on a 30k spell res build in a bg Im Pretty sure it was with daedric Prey on me tho so the sorc sacrificed something to get that Kind of Damage.

What has me laughing out loud is how many sorc Players think that sorc is weak since murkmire, if you know how to build your sorc sorc got buffed and Pretty hard at that you just have to build stuff other classes had to build since years, poor sorcs now having to build resistances and impen.

Sanguinor2

Marcus684 wrote: »

MagNBs have no burst? You’re joking, right? I get blown up in 2 seconds or less by magNBs more than any other build, except maybe stamWardens with their Sub/DB/spin-to-win combo, albeit probably because you can’t mitigate what you can’t see coming.

Magblade has burst, but unless you are getting calu ganked its burst that is very easily avoided since it depends on merciless Landing and the loud Audio cue in Addition to the Long travel time even in melee makes it very easily avoidable unless you are lagging or cc break doesnt work/is delayed.

Marcus684

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

MagNBs have no burst? You’re joking, right? I get blown up in 2 seconds or less by magNBs more than any other build, except maybe stamWardens with their Sub/DB/spin-to-win combo, albeit probably because you can’t mitigate what you can’t see coming.

Magblade has burst, but unless you are getting calu ganked its burst that is very easily avoided since it depends on merciless Landing and the loud Audio cue in Addition to the Long travel time even in melee makes it very easily avoidable unless you are lagging or cc break doesnt work/is delayed.

When I get blown up by a magNB, there is always zero warning. I hear that weird, metallic burst combo sound, the NB appears next to me, I break free with maybe 20% health showing, and a second later I’m dead. Maybe I’ll get a burst heal to fire, but even then it rarely matters. Maybe it’s lag, maybe it’s only a rare handful of top-tier magNBs that can do this, but it’s pretty consistent, even if I’m running 5+ Impen and 25-30k resists.

PhoenixGrey

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

That's probably the best open world sorc on our server who returned to the game recently.

We can have a conversation about balance when someone else comes closer to that level of gameplay. I believe people need to walk the talk before looking down upon someone else's outnumbered clips

https://youtu.be/JvWd39_xsM8

I'd say your wrong but close

Enjoy a real 1v20

That's not from my server / platform.

Iskiab

Marcus684 wrote: »

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

MagNBs have no burst? You’re joking, right? I get blown up in 2 seconds or less by magNBs more than any other build, except maybe stamWardens with their Sub/DB/spin-to-win combo, albeit probably because you can’t mitigate what you can’t see coming.

Magblade has burst, but unless you are getting calu ganked its burst that is very easily avoided since it depends on merciless Landing and the loud Audio cue in Addition to the Long travel time even in melee makes it very easily avoidable unless you are lagging or cc break doesnt work/is delayed.

When I get blown up by a magNB, there is always zero warning. I hear that weird, metallic burst combo sound, the NB appears next to me, I break free with maybe 20% health showing, and a second later I’m dead. Maybe I’ll get a burst heal to fire, but even then it rarely matters. Maybe it’s lag, maybe it’s only a rare handful of top-tier magNBs that can do this, but it’s pretty consistent, even if I’m running 5+ Impen and 25-30k resists.

Really? What class are you? CP or no CP?

I’m just curious because I haven’t been successfully ganked by a stamblade or magblade in months. It’s something I hear about but never see.

Plus, when you say 25-30k resists, do you mean with major Ward up or before ward, and are you including a blood spawn proc that could or could not be up when you’re being ganked? With neither up your at 14-19k resists, at that level yea, you’re probably vulnerable. With spinners + destro + light I think it’s around 11k pen or so before CPs.

When you say 5+ impenetrable, you mean all impenetrable too right? Otherwise, guess why you’re having issues.

I only play non-CP and find the whole solo ganking being effective thing a mystery.

pat_thetic

Aurielle wrote: »

pat_thetic wrote: »

Nah, afraid not mate. Could wreck you with any class. If you can't counter a particular class, just continue to do as all whiney pvpers do, cry until a nerf comes and the next class beats you down and you harass them because you can't adapt

Seriously? I can play against pet sorcs... i have adapted my playstyle MANY TIMES on multiple classes. It is PET STACKING (we’re talking multiple pets on one team, not just one pet sorc) that’s a problem in BGs. I know how to counter pet stacked groups; what I’m saying is that short of making a premade group specifically to take them out that maximizes AOE damage, it’s not happening when there’s up to sixteen pets on the screen at a time. How do you propose I deal with a pet stacking premade that has gone full cheese by stacking four pets per sorc? When I’m solo queued 99% of the time?

There’s whining, and then there’s pointing out legitimate balance problems. Learn the difference between the two before you start throwing out insults and telling people to “git gud” like you’re twelve years old.

Sounds like more whining to me. If you solo queue, you get what you get. Stop complaining because you don't know how to counter a playstyle

kyle.wilson

I don't trust PC 1vXers videos that don't include kill counter. I can take the biggest potato and make them look like gods with enough editing.

Once again, 1vx sorcs melt when faced with real hard CC. Too many people don't run them. That's why there are so many nerf sorc threads.

Emma_Overload

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

That's probably the best open world sorc on our server who returned to the game recently.

We can have a conversation about balance when someone else comes closer to that level of gameplay. I believe people need to walk the talk before looking down upon someone else's outnumbered clips

https://youtu.be/JvWd39_xsM8

I'd say your wrong but close

Enjoy a real 1v20

LOL, that was more like 20 1v1s in a row...

Kova

1vX videos are horrible representations of class balance. Every player in that video could have easily passed as a light attack bot.

Pet sorcs are hard if you don't readily practice interrupting people, but as a non-pet magicka sorc I just kill the matriarch and beat on the player until I achieve the desired results.

And as another counterpoint: If you are spending forever trying to kill a player then it's kind of pot meets kettle because it means you're also not dying, and unless you're one of those spiffy dudes that would claim you stay alive due to skill vs them staying alive cause of jank mechanics, I would just take the stalemate and reconsider putting a lot of value in an mmo.

Feanor

It’s just the targeting, nothing else. The pets are equivalent to having LoS when you need it. I’d like a pet rework:

- cost only 1 bar slot (no need to double bar)
- No summoning cast time
- Cannot be targeted (like the Shadowrend proc)
- Damage and healing reduce
- Improve the rest of the Sorc toolkit

This would solve the targeting issues while still giving pet Sorc a niche - solo play (and at least until pets taking damage is fixed properly, some instances of group play as well).

brandonv516

First they need to clearly fix the known bugs with pets.

Then there needs to be a cooldown on summoning pets after they die.

A decent Sorc with just the Matriarch will not die (especially in CP) when up against certain setups.

Feanor

Then there needs to be a cooldown on summoning pets after they die.

Bad idea. First of all, that would be the only skill in the entire game that has an internal cooldown other than the GCD all skills share. Secondly, there already is a cast time of 1.5 seconds in which the casting Sorc is mildly snared. You can interrupt the cast (crushing shock / bash) which results in a stun. That’s sufficient.

Sanguinor2

Feanor wrote: »

Bad idea. First of all, that would be the only skill in the entire game that has an internal cooldown other than the GCD all skills share. Secondly, there already is a cast time of 1.5 seconds in which the casting Sorc is mildly snared. You can interrupt the cast (crushing shock / bash) which results in a stun. That’s sufficient.

Not saying that sorc pet summon should have a cooldown but you forgot power lash, 3 seconds cooldown on that one.

david_m_18b16_ESO

Feanor wrote: »

Then there needs to be a cooldown on summoning pets after they die.

Bad idea. First of all, that would be the only skill in the entire game that has an internal cooldown other than the GCD all skills share. Secondly, there already is a cast time of 1.5 seconds in which the casting Sorc is mildly snared. You can interrupt the cast (crushing shock / bash) which results in a stun. That’s sufficient.

If someone can't prevent a sorc from re-summuning he is terribad

Sanguinor2

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

If someone can't prevent a sorc from re-summuning he is terribad

So every Player that doesnt somehow disable cc immunity is terribad RIP

Unless something changed you literally cannot Prevent a sorc from resummoning when he has cc immunity.