Did noxious breath just become good?

ochsinator

An 200% increase in initially damage? Is that going to make it a worth while skill? I honestly don’t know what do you think?

El_Borracho

Its always been good and worthwhile as it gives Major Fracture. Now its ever better

Dojohoda

Nice!

Alucardo

Hitbox still sucks (:

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Still way to early to make definitive statements, but it looks like they were trying pretty hard to give DK a buff.

Davadin

it was never bad.

juhislihis19

That seemed to be the only buff stamdk got. Everything else was just nerfs.

Grianasteri

ochsinator wrote: »

An 200% increase in initially damage? Is that going to make it a worth while skill? I honestly don’t know what do you think?

I was not even aware of this change. I have two characters that use this skill for the fracture etc as part of my rotations, now, wow, totally gonna jump back into those characters and see how they feel again.

Davadin

juhislihis19 wrote: »

That seemed to be the only buff stamdk got. Everything else was just nerfs.

it's a buff to both types of DK.

but there's no real "nerf".

we simply got ignored. again.

ochsinator

Honestly ridiculously frustrating that the mag dk gets so much while stam dk gets so little. They should have gave us stam armor or stam wings or STAM WHIP or stam inhale or stam petrify at least have the following scale off max attribute. Honestly I love the aesthetics of the dk I do like noxious breath and stam claw but I believe we need one more stam morph to a viable skill I really like the idea of stam inhale.

Sleep724

Davadin wrote: »

it was never bad.

Based on what?? Less than 2k initial hit and 300-400 dot every 2 seconds in pvp with a clunky hit box? Please.

El_Borracho

ochsinator wrote: »

Honestly ridiculously frustrating that the mag dk gets so much while stam dk gets so little. They should have gave us stam armor or stam wings or STAM WHIP or stam inhale or stam petrify at least have the following scale off max attribute. Honestly I love the aesthetics of the dk I do like noxious breath and stam claw but I believe we need one more stam morph to a viable skill I really like the idea of stam inhale.

Or, maybe, an execute for DW. I mean, COME ON ALREADY.

Ragnarock41

Major fracture was and is always a strong debuff. The skill itself though? Was always bad , underperformed in parses, underperformed in PvP. I don't understand how a dot that deals 200-300 damage every 2 seconds and 1-2k initial damage , ''was always been good''.

%200 buff to its very small initial hit will make it more decent for sure(also nerf to suprise attack, indirect buff) however I would still prefer a complete rework to this considering its just a bad copy of sub assault.

psychotic13

ochsinator wrote: »

Honestly ridiculously frustrating that the mag dk gets so much while stam dk gets so little. They should have gave us stam armor or stam wings or STAM WHIP or stam inhale or stam petrify at least have the following scale off max attribute. Honestly I love the aesthetics of the dk I do like noxious breath and stam claw but I believe we need one more stam morph to a viable skill I really like the idea of stam inhale.

Well doesn't the base version of flames of oblivion scale off of highest stat now? So im assuming the cauterize morph will work with stam now, could be nice on my stamDK with the mending ect.

Honestly stam whip would be too much, if we make every skill have a magicka and stamina counter part, whats the point in having stamina and magicka in the first place?

John_Falstaff

psychotic13 wrote: »

ochsinator wrote: »

Honestly ridiculously frustrating that the mag dk gets so much while stam dk gets so little. They should have gave us stam armor or stam wings or STAM WHIP or stam inhale or stam petrify at least have the following scale off max attribute. Honestly I love the aesthetics of the dk I do like noxious breath and stam claw but I believe we need one more stam morph to a viable skill I really like the idea of stam inhale.

Well doesn't the base version of flames of oblivion scale off of highest stat now? So im assuming the cauterize morph will work with stam now, could be nice on my stamDK with the mending ect.

Honestly stam whip would be too much, if we make every skill have a magicka and stamina counter part, whats the point in having stamina and magicka in the first place?

It's always been scaling off the highest stat, but it doesn't change the fact that it's flame damage, so your stamina CP distribution will do nothing to buff it (nor does it synergize with any stamina-related passives).

psychotic13

John_Falstaff wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

ochsinator wrote: »

Honestly ridiculously frustrating that the mag dk gets so much while stam dk gets so little. They should have gave us stam armor or stam wings or STAM WHIP or stam inhale or stam petrify at least have the following scale off max attribute. Honestly I love the aesthetics of the dk I do like noxious breath and stam claw but I believe we need one more stam morph to a viable skill I really like the idea of stam inhale.

Well doesn't the base version of flames of oblivion scale off of highest stat now? So im assuming the cauterize morph will work with stam now, could be nice on my stamDK with the mending ect.

Honestly stam whip would be too much, if we make every skill have a magicka and stamina counter part, whats the point in having stamina and magicka in the first place?

It's always been scaling off the highest stat, but it doesn't change the fact that it's flame damage, so your stamina CP distribution will do nothing to buff it (nor does it synergize with any stamina-related passives).

No, youre not understanding me. I know the MORPH currently scales off max stat, i deals flame damage but it isnt terrible. Im saying cause the base skill now gets the effect, stamina DKs will be able to use the healing morph now, which i think will be very strong on stamDK. This is my assumption atleast maybe someone can confirm this.

John_Falstaff

psychotic13 wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

ochsinator wrote: »

Honestly ridiculously frustrating that the mag dk gets so much while stam dk gets so little. They should have gave us stam armor or stam wings or STAM WHIP or stam inhale or stam petrify at least have the following scale off max attribute. Honestly I love the aesthetics of the dk I do like noxious breath and stam claw but I believe we need one more stam morph to a viable skill I really like the idea of stam inhale.

Well doesn't the base version of flames of oblivion scale off of highest stat now? So im assuming the cauterize morph will work with stam now, could be nice on my stamDK with the mending ect.

Honestly stam whip would be too much, if we make every skill have a magicka and stamina counter part, whats the point in having stamina and magicka in the first place?

It's always been scaling off the highest stat, but it doesn't change the fact that it's flame damage, so your stamina CP distribution will do nothing to buff it (nor does it synergize with any stamina-related passives).

No, youre not understanding me. I know the MORPH currently scales off max stat, i deals flame damage but it isnt terrible. Im saying cause the base skill now gets the effect, stamina DKs will be able to use the healing morph now, which i think will be very strong on stamDK. This is my assumption atleast maybe someone can confirm this.

If you're about Cauterize, I did talk to some healers about that skill, and most find Cauterize too finicky to make DK healer something other than for-fun spec. You get more out of other classes' burst heals - like sorc's, and sorc also will bring more utility to the group at that.

psychotic13

John_Falstaff wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

ochsinator wrote: »

Honestly ridiculously frustrating that the mag dk gets so much while stam dk gets so little. They should have gave us stam armor or stam wings or STAM WHIP or stam inhale or stam petrify at least have the following scale off max attribute. Honestly I love the aesthetics of the dk I do like noxious breath and stam claw but I believe we need one more stam morph to a viable skill I really like the idea of stam inhale.

Well doesn't the base version of flames of oblivion scale off of highest stat now? So im assuming the cauterize morph will work with stam now, could be nice on my stamDK with the mending ect.

Honestly stam whip would be too much, if we make every skill have a magicka and stamina counter part, whats the point in having stamina and magicka in the first place?

It's always been scaling off the highest stat, but it doesn't change the fact that it's flame damage, so your stamina CP distribution will do nothing to buff it (nor does it synergize with any stamina-related passives).

No, youre not understanding me. I know the MORPH currently scales off max stat, i deals flame damage but it isnt terrible. Im saying cause the base skill now gets the effect, stamina DKs will be able to use the healing morph now, which i think will be very strong on stamDK. This is my assumption atleast maybe someone can confirm this.

If you're about Cauterize, I did talk to some healers about that skill, and most find Cauterize too finicky to make DK healer something other than for-fun spec. You get more out of other classes' burst heals - like sorc's, and sorc also will bring more utility to the group at that.

Im not trying to make a DK Healer... itll add a ton of survivability in PvP on stamDK.

Davadin

Sleep724 wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

it was never bad.

Based on what?? Less than 2k initial hit and 300-400 dot every 2 seconds in pvp with a clunky hit box? Please.

my build is a lot more than 2K and the DoT is higher too. but the biggest thing in PvP is to get that Major Fracture for a very very cheap cost......

El_Borracho wrote: »

ochsinator wrote: »

Honestly ridiculously frustrating that the mag dk gets so much while stam dk gets so little. They should have gave us stam armor or stam wings or STAM WHIP or stam inhale or stam petrify at least have the following scale off max attribute. Honestly I love the aesthetics of the dk I do like noxious breath and stam claw but I believe we need one more stam morph to a viable skill I really like the idea of stam inhale.

Or, maybe, an execute for DW. I mean, COME ON ALREADY.

Steel Tornado is an execute.

Oh wait, they removed it in U22.......

psychotic13 wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

ochsinator wrote: »

Honestly ridiculously frustrating that the mag dk gets so much while stam dk gets so little. They should have gave us stam armor or stam wings or STAM WHIP or stam inhale or stam petrify at least have the following scale off max attribute. Honestly I love the aesthetics of the dk I do like noxious breath and stam claw but I believe we need one more stam morph to a viable skill I really like the idea of stam inhale.

Well doesn't the base version of flames of oblivion scale off of highest stat now? So im assuming the cauterize morph will work with stam now, could be nice on my stamDK with the mending ect.

Honestly stam whip would be too much, if we make every skill have a magicka and stamina counter part, whats the point in having stamina and magicka in the first place?

It's always been scaling off the highest stat, but it doesn't change the fact that it's flame damage, so your stamina CP distribution will do nothing to buff it (nor does it synergize with any stamina-related passives).

No, youre not understanding me. I know the MORPH currently scales off max stat, i deals flame damage but it isnt terrible. Im saying cause the base skill now gets the effect, stamina DKs will be able to use the healing morph now, which i think will be very strong on stamDK. This is my assumption atleast maybe someone can confirm this.

If you're about Cauterize, I did talk to some healers about that skill, and most find Cauterize too finicky to make DK healer something other than for-fun spec. You get more out of other classes' burst heals - like sorc's, and sorc also will bring more utility to the group at that.

Im not trying to make a DK Healer... itll add a ton of survivability in PvP on stamDK.

more? yes. a ton? no. I haven't tested it myself, but i don't understand how can this heal makes sDK a LOT more sustainable/survivable.... even with CP coordinated for more heals.

Toc de Malsvi

psychotic13 wrote: »

ochsinator wrote: »

Honestly ridiculously frustrating that the mag dk gets so much while stam dk gets so little. They should have gave us stam armor or stam wings or STAM WHIP or stam inhale or stam petrify at least have the following scale off max attribute. Honestly I love the aesthetics of the dk I do like noxious breath and stam claw but I believe we need one more stam morph to a viable skill I really like the idea of stam inhale.

Well doesn't the base version of flames of oblivion scale off of highest stat now? So im assuming the cauterize morph will work with stam now, could be nice on my stamDK with the mending ect.

Honestly stam whip would be too much, if we make every skill have a magicka and stamina counter part, whats the point in having stamina and magicka in the first place?

This is the most exciting change for me, wanted another heal source. I tried it and it looks at least useful, not great but useful. Something seems off with the scaling, but that could be related to CP. If nothing changes I'll still be using it.