Melee magika templar

r34lian

Is this still viable with dual wield or 2h swords puncturing sweeps as spammable or there will be too much of dps loss?

FrancisCrawford

Big DPS loss. Light attacks are important to DPS these days, all the more since a magicka templar would likely have 100%ish uptime on Empower (via Solar Barrage).

r34lian

Even if I use puncturing sweeps rather than elemental weapon?

AbysmalGhul

You can use seeps instead. I really don't notice the difference besides range. Just be sure to use a light attack before using sweeps.

SoLooney

Ele weapon is way too strong to not use, light attacks make up the most dps for magplar so dual wield is not the way to go anymore

Sweeps is still good for ad pulls, I personally use it when I run dungeons

Elhan

Its not a big loss using punctunring, around 2-3k and 6M dummy. You wont use it for scoring but in other situation its good.

I didnt test dual wield but probably its will be a big loss without magicka light attack

Vajrak

I use it just fine and it works fine --- your sustain takes a little bit of a hit is all -- DW is slightly better for higher max damage (nirnhoned+sharpened) while 2h either go for more crit or more pen (precise or sharpened).

Light attacks are a big part, and if you are maximizing for them, then you want vMA backbar + inferno staff --- what people keep missing out is your light attacks will be a little weaker base, but with the vMA staff, the bonus damage effect will still be there. The difference here for Melee Magplar --- your light attacks will do fine, you are likely using lightning staff front bar (which has a much lower single target than inferno staff does) --- and with dw/2h the higher weapon damage = higher spell damage, means your overall output will be fine, you just lose multi-range light-weaving on your front bar.

Ele weapon will STILL effect your light attacks, as it is a different effect that is proc'd from light attacks, and the damage is counted separately, so weaving it is still fine. Sweeps is a good multi-purpose AoE and single target skill, and is your most reliable proc for Burning Light - --it is the only single skill that can actually abuse the 0.5s CD on Burning Light procs on its own, so Sweeps+Shards = 5 chances per second to proc, and burning light can make up a high % of your damage accordingly.

So yes, use it, see if yo ulike it, work you rrotation accordingly --- I kno wI use it, and my overall dps went up around 4k on average, from the higher spell damage riders.

Valkysas154

For SOLO sure do what ever you like
but expect to get allot of trash thrown at you in groups right be for you get kicked if you try and do dungeons like that

r34lian

Ok ty for the inputs

FrancisCrawford

Vajrak wrote: »

I use it just fine and it works fine --- your sustain takes a little bit of a hit is all -- DW is slightly better for higher max damage (nirnhoned+sharpened) while 2h either go for more crit or more pen (precise or sharpened).

Light attacks are a big part, and if you are maximizing for them, then you want vMA backbar + inferno staff --- what people keep missing out is your light attacks will be a little weaker base, but with the vMA staff, the bonus damage effect will still be there. The difference here for Melee Magplar --- your light attacks will do fine, you are likely using lightning staff front bar (which has a much lower single target than inferno staff does) --- and with dw/2h the higher weapon damage = higher spell damage, means your overall output will be fine, you just lose multi-range light-weaving on your front bar.

Ele weapon will STILL effect your light attacks, as it is a different effect that is proc'd from light attacks, and the damage is counted separately, so weaving it is still fine. Sweeps is a good multi-purpose AoE and single target skill, and is your most reliable proc for Burning Light - --it is the only single skill that can actually abuse the 0.5s CD on Burning Light procs on its own, so Sweeps+Shards = 5 chances per second to proc, and burning light can make up a high % of your damage accordingly.

So yes, use it, see if yo ulike it, work you rrotation accordingly --- I kno wI use it, and my overall dps went up around 4k on average, from the higher spell damage riders.

Ahh. I missed that point -- melee weapons have better spell/weapon damage than staffs do. Are the values in the images on Fextralife's Maelstrom weapons page still accurate? https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Maelstrom+Weapons

Vajrak

Not sure about the fextralife, as I use a nirnhoned+sharpened, or when 2h I use precise and don't feel like logging in right this second to check, but expect about 200-300 more base spell damage, and instead of an 8% specific (AoE or Single Target) you get a 6% all + the higher base damage, so it balances out.

What you lose is multi-range viability, which can take a little bit of adjusting to, and you can add some fun tricks into your rotation at times, such as the "Follow Up" passive, which is a 10% damage bonus on you rnext direct damage in 7s with 2h equipped---it's not ideal, but it can be fun to throw one in every so often.

Basically, unless you are aiming to be in the top 1%, and are already in the top 5% or so, using 2h/dw over a front bar staff won't kill you---once you get used to its different ranges, you'll either be on par or slightly ahead of a staff/staff build in Melee, with the obvious suffering of ranged damage --- and for that, just make sure you have 2 staves for fights you know are going to require you to be ranged.

ArchMikem

Dual Wield stopped being viable on a Magic Class for a long time now, and your magic passives won't affect your melee physical damage at all.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Valkysas154 wrote: »

For SOLO sure do what ever you like
but expect to get allot of trash thrown at you in groups right be for you get kicked if you try and do dungeons like that

You won't be kicked from 4 man content for using a melee Templar. The damage is there as long as your rotation is solid. For vet timed trials, maybe, if the lead wants the best.

Faulgor

My melee magplar is one of my best characters. You might get more with a standard magplar build, but reaching 40k+ dps is pretty easy.
2 Zaan, 5 Mother's Sorrow, 5 Master Architect (using the Aedric Spear ultimate). Double Lightning staff, because everything except light attacks and your execute is AoE (and Zaan, but you could also use Grothdar if you like). With Crescent Sweep, Puncturing Sweep and Blazing Spear, you also have 3 sources to proc Burning Light. It's really fun.

r34lian

Faulgor wrote: »

My melee magplar is one of my best characters. You might get more with a standard magplar build, but reaching 40k+ dps is pretty easy.
2 Zaan, 5 Mother's Sorrow, 5 Master Architect (using the Aedric Spear ultimate). Double Lightning staff, because everything except light attacks and your execute is AoE (and Zaan, but you could also use Grothdar if you like). With Crescent Sweep, Puncturing Sweep and Blazing Spear, you also have 3 sources to proc Burning Light. It's really fun.

I'm using 5 siroria , 2 Zaan , 5 war maiden on mine since I got swords of precise trait was wondering if I can use it , Cuz it looks cool and besides I've seen old templar build use it.

Vajrak

@Soul19reaper You can use it just fine, just remember to enchant for absorb mag on main and whatever you want on off.

r34lian

Vajrak wrote: »

@Soul19reaper You can use it just fine, just remember to enchant for absorb mag on main and whatever you want on off.

Ty for the inputs I appreciate it

Slack

From my testing the difference is remarkable.
I play a melee magplar with lightning staff (for the sweeps) and usually do 37k self Buffed on the dummy.
With 2 swords I just hit around 28k

Setup is : Julianos, BSW, Grothdarr

Vajrak

Slack wrote: »

From my testing the difference is remarkable.
I play a melee magplar with lightning staff (for the sweeps) and usually do 37k self Buffed on the dummy.
With 2 swords I just hit around 28k

Setup is : Julianos, BSW, Grothdarr

If using DW, make sure you have nirnhoned main/sharpened off hand, one enchanted for absorb magick, backbar enchant is your spell damage enchant (infused or not your choice), and of course the DW passive for the 6% --- and that you are comparing gold weapons (both) to gold weapons (staff) --- if the spell damage is the same value or near same value, it is going to be a loss, but your Burning Light procs should be hitting harder also --- comparison with lightning/lightning my max burning light was around 11k (self buffed) vs around 14k (self buffed).

My Radiant beam got a nice boost also, vs the Lightning/Lightning setup, and you can start your execution cycle with it a little earlier according (around 33-35%); if you are optimized for light attacks and elemental damage, the dw will be lower, but 9k lower is a huge difference that is hard to make sense of.

Slack

Vajrak wrote: »

Slack wrote: »

From my testing the difference is remarkable.
I play a melee magplar with lightning staff (for the sweeps) and usually do 37k self Buffed on the dummy.
With 2 swords I just hit around 28k

Setup is : Julianos, BSW, Grothdarr

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Well, having to compare gold weapons and the right traits /enchants with each other, for getting proper results should be pretty obvious, so I didn't feel the need to actually mention it.
Just telling the results that I got.

Vajrak

Slack wrote: »

Vajrak wrote: »

Slack wrote: »

From my testing the difference is remarkable.
I play a melee magplar with lightning staff (for the sweeps) and usually do 37k self Buffed on the dummy.
With 2 swords I just hit around 28k

Setup is : Julianos, BSW, Grothdarr

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Well, having to compare gold weapons and the right traits /enchants with each other, for getting proper results should be pretty obvious, so I didn't feel the need to actually mention it.
Just telling the results that I got.

Definitely wasn't meant as an insult, just trying to keep clarity for thread/test purposes.

For my own build currently I'm using Rattlecage/War Maiden, swords nirn/sharpened, staves nirnx2 --- it took a little practice to get into the habit of slipping in an extra throw of shards vs the full LA, and I tend to keep a dynamic rotation as i play PvE and PvP pretty equally lately.

It's also one of those things that become odd on Magplar, in where do you want your numbers output. Example: Bloodthirsty with just 1 piece is great on execute, but the damage prior to that really does lack quite a bit -- with DW better results were with all 3 Spell Damage boosts.

akredon_ESO

i actually had a melee magicka templar build that was pulling a good 30-35k dps on the test dummy. 2h gs gives a large amount of damage was running nirned honed legendary ( adds a good amount of spell power). was running groth dar Maiden and axiom and it was pretty beastly build.

Neoauspex

Might be more viable now that sweeps has been changed to fit within the gcd... Supposedly can be weaved with light attacks better now.

Vajrak

it wasn't hard to weave beforehand, really.