Equal Status PS4, XB1, PC

legohead

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Toanis

So what are you asking for?

Should addons be removed from PC? All of them? Only certain types? The ability to modify your gaming experience is one of the main reasons why people play on machines that cost ten times as much as your console. Someone who spends that much money on gaming hardware, surely also has deep pockets for the crown store, so I doubt you'll have much success with that suggestion.

Should addons be allowed on console? No objections, but the devil's in the detail here - first there is the extra strain on the console hardware, possibly putting you at a disadvantage vs. someone who doesn't use addons, but that'd be your decision. Second, this would require a Skyrim-style system, providing only approved addons . (Because ZOS needs to make sure they don't distribute illegal stuff, and MS and Sony also want to have a say in what runs on "their" console.)

r34lian

Eh you peasants asking for equality with Master Race

NoTimeToWait

legohead wrote: »

Dear Zenimax Team,

you edit good and challenge Endgame Content. You build mechaniks, timewindows and vitaliybonus, makes the player hard. You want not all contant are be finisht to soon. BUT it is for you okay, that exsist PC addons how call everything (block now, dodge now, underbreack now, etc.) whit timer, whit it all whitout thinking or by self sekonds count everywhere through comes.

This cant be it! The konsles have jet the poorer performence. Addons for optical things okay, but not how makes fight easyier oder care mechaniks, especially when he just allowed for one system. A offical statement are appropriate.
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Sorry for bad translation.

Currently I play without these addons (though initially I did use them for some time to get hang of things). They are actually quite useless, if you pay attention to what is happening around you. I admit, that consoles have harder time doing trials, but it is not impossible to play without addons.

Actually, I try to use as few addons as possible, because they reduce game performance. Every time I am able to remove addon I do it.

Gnortranermara

I'm primarily a console player and only touch PC for PTS. Console has a lot of room for UI improvements, but that's no reason to gork PC functionality. They should just improve console UI or allow console addons.

legohead

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Huyen

Toanis wrote: »

So what are you asking for?

Should addons be removed from PC? All of them? Only certain types? The ability to modify your gaming experience is one of the main reasons why people play on machines that cost ten times as much as your console. Someone who spends that much money on gaming hardware, surely also has deep pockets for the crown store, so I doubt you'll have much success with that suggestion.

Should addons be allowed on console? No objections, but the devil's in the detail here - first there is the extra strain on the console hardware, possibly putting you at a disadvantage vs. someone who doesn't use addons, but that'd be your decision. Second, this would require a Skyrim-style system, providing only approved addons . (Because ZOS needs to make sure they don't distribute illegal stuff, and MS and Sony also want to have a say in what runs on "their" console.)

We got addons for skyrim and fallout on the consoles too...dont see your point really why it should be a problem for eso.

LurgidBean

I agree that it feels unfair as a console player, but they aren't going to take anything away from PC players and there are issues with adding more functionality to consoles.
Take some comfort in the fact that there is no cross-platform play so we are on an level playing field in the game.

I also don't understand how add-ons that automate play are allowed for PC, but ZOS ignores the TOS issues.
Probably, due to $$ from PC players and the fact they know the game needs UI updates but can't make them happen.

Vietfox

The only addons i run on pc are addons like dressing room or master merchant and i miss them so much on console. They should be added as part of the base game.
I avoid using the addons that make fights easier for 2 main reasons:
1 - i want my screen as "clean" as possible
2 - don't want to rely on them since there are ways to simply get used to the mechanics.

PS: btw, i haven't played on pc for quite a while, is miat's addon still a thing? That was straight up cheating.

MugHug

Sounds like it is more of a case of going after Sony and Microsoft as some of the limits (both hardware and software) put in place on the consoles discourage enabling add-ons.

It is not like Sony and Microsoft were not aware of many games having user-made add-ons available before releasing the latest consoles - TES Skyrim anyone.

I remember the addons for Skyrim on consoles were an issue on consoles due to memory/storage issues.

zaria

MugHug wrote: »

Sounds like it is more of a case of going after Sony and Microsoft as some of the limits (both hardware and software) put in place on the consoles discourage enabling add-ons.

It is not like Sony and Microsoft were not aware of many games having user-made add-ons available before releasing the latest consoles - TES Skyrim anyone.

I remember the addons for Skyrim on consoles were an issue on consoles due to memory/storage issues.

This ZoS has no issues with mods for consoles.
They might not bother to jump trough all the loops required for it to happen however.

Conduit0

You chose to play on an inferior platform, so you're just going to have to accept the limitations that inferiority comes with. Don't like it? Join the glorious PC Master Race.

Starlock

Conduit0 wrote: »

You chose to play on an inferior platform, so you're just going to have to accept the limitations that inferiority comes with. Don't like it? Join the glorious PC Master Race.

Does the condescending superiority complex and narcissism come free, or is that extra?

Vuron

Conduit0 wrote: »

You chose to play on an inferior platform, so you're just going to have to accept the limitations that inferiority comes with. Don't like it? Join the glorious PC Master Race.

Bingo. I'm sorry ZOS even stooped so low as to release the game on inferior platforms.

Buy a PC if you want real gaming.

Cpt_Teemo

legohead wrote: »

Toanis wrote: »

So what are you asking for?

Should addons be removed from PC? All of them? Only certain types? The ability to modify your gaming experience is one of the main reasons why people play on machines that cost ten times as much as your console. Someone who spends that much money on gaming hardware, surely also has deep pockets for the crown store, so I doubt you'll have much success with that suggestion.

Should addons be allowed on console? No objections, but the devil's in the detail here - first there is the extra strain on the console hardware, possibly putting you at a disadvantage vs. someone who doesn't use addons, but that'd be your decision. Second, this would require a Skyrim-style system, providing only approved addons . (Because ZOS needs to make sure they don't distribute illegal stuff, and MS and Sony also want to have a say in what runs on "their" console.)

Situation atm not fair. Addons how call everthing in fight for one system jes and two systems not.

And yet, ESO was out on PC a year before consoles they could have not gone to consoles at all tbh

idk

Sorry you do not have addons on consoles. Have you ever thought it is not Zos' call?

Think about it for a moment. Why would Zos choose to have addons on PC and not permit them on consoles unless someone else was blocking it or the design of consoles created problems Zos could not control?


So you can call the situation unfair or whatever, Zos is not in full control of consoles and they are not going to take away addons on PC. It really is that simple.

chetter_hummin

well. u basicly said if my hardware and software is inferior, all other hardware and software must be inferior like mine! such logic XD

Starlock

To address the OP, there are a myriad of factors that go into someone's experience of a game. The availability of good internet in one's area is probably the much larger factor that outshines all else. It doesn't matter what hardware you have if you live in an area that only offers a certain kind of internet that doesn't work well for online gaming. There is nothing Zenimax can do about that, and unfortunately not much consumers can do about it either other than lobby their governments so the internet becomes a public utility.

There are other small things too. A major reason why I don't do group content outside of 4-person dungeons is that there is too much stuff going on visually for me to keep track of when engagements get large scale. The developers have done quite a bit to help with that by hiding visuals for certain kinds of placed effects, but they can only turn off so much of it. Basically, you just have to run the content often and get used to knowing what to pay attention to and what to ignore. Or, just accept your limits as we all have them.

I don't really care that computers have add-ons. I wouldn't use them if I had access to them. If we want to harp on about a way of getting equal status amongst platforms, the first thing we should talk about is equalizing the release of new content. Other developers do this without any issues, so I'm not sure why consoles get a 2 week delay for releases. Though honestly, in a game like ESO, having a delayed release is a privilege. There have been more than a few cases where computer users have experienced really bad bugs with new content releases that console players never have to deal with as they are patched before the console version releases. I'll keep that privilege over having new content released same day as computer.

wolfie1.0.

I fail to see the issue here. I could understand if there was cross platform play involved where console players were competing directly with PC players who have addons. However that is not the case and never has been. Granted there are some QOL improvements that the game needs on consoles that have been addressed by the addon community but I fail to see how that is PC players. ZOS would love to have addons supported on consoles it would save them a lot of money and time. That's not ZOS'S fault its Microsoft and Sonys fault. So you really should complain there.

SoLooney

Just give me lazy writ maker, combat metrics, and dressing room for console

Is that asking too much?

Verbal_Earthworm

I don't use combat addons even though I can.

I don't want easy mode.

rotaugen454

The OP is making me glad I shell out the bucks for a high end PC every couple of years.

legohead

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legohead

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Michaelkeir

I had a stroke trying to read that.....

Odovacar

PC has addons...some of them, mostly combat ones could be considered cheating compared to how we play on consoles BUT ESO was made originally for PC so I don't give them **** about it unless I'm purely joking. If I wanted addons that bad I would get a PC that could handle ESO and play there.


HOWEVER, I would love a combat metrics for us scrubbies. WE NEED SOMETHING.

DenMoria

As usual, PCers get all the best stuff...

Sort of...

XxCaLxX

I have no issues with playing without all the combat add ons. I understand some ppl need their hands held on the “master race” and that’s up to them, that’s fine. Their are legit add ons though that should already be a part of the base game.

Chilly-McFreeze

Starlock wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

You chose to play on an inferior platform, so you're just going to have to accept the limitations that inferiority comes with. Don't like it? Join the glorious PC Master Race.

Does the condescending superiority complex and narcissism come free, or is that extra?

It does. Also "iT's NoT fAiR" that pc users should suffer for the inferiority of consoles and the restrictions of their companies

Bekkael

Conduit0 wrote: »

You chose to play on an inferior platform, so you're just going to have to accept the limitations that inferiority comes with. Don't like it? Join the glorious PC Master Race.

But I play on Xbox. And I use a mic to chat with my friends. When I speak, Barry White may or may not start playing in the background. Surely that is all the reason anyone could ever need to play on console?

paulychan

Only scrubs need add ons