bow bow stam builds

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Soul Shriven
Forgive a semi noob questions but ill still relatively new to the game.
I've been reading a lot of comment in various threads regarding bow/bow builds as opposed to bow/DW or bow/2H of late on stam specs.
However, when i try to research this I dont seem to find a lot of reference to these on most of the known sites, at least the ones i know, aside from one i found for Warden.
Id like to see some ideas on this for various classes as i quite like the idea of this out of personal presence in play style.
I play all play styles, PvE, PvP, and Cyrodii so any feedback that takes that into account would be appreciated.
Thanks
  • giantpixie
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    What class are you looking for?
  • msalvia
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    I'm not an expert on this, and I've heard bow/bow CAN be viable, but I have never run vet content with a bow/bow dps that could keep up. That's not to say it's impossible--as a skilled bow/bow player is better than a trash DW/Bow player--but I would be surprised if this is competitive build. Sure looks like fun though, if that's what you're after!

    -Matt
  • Narvuntien
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    It's new so there might not be much info on it yet.

    The most recent patch nerfed Dual Wield enchantments which finally made it worth trying out then as a bonus the set from one of the new dungeons,Tzogvin’s Warband, was perfect for ranged builds which cannot use Beast trap for Minor Force.

    Gryphon gear from Summerset also gives minor force but warband also gives crit.
  • FrancisCrawford
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    Narvuntien wrote: »
    It's new so there might not be much info on it yet.

    The most recent patch nerfed Dual Wield enchantments which finally made it worth trying out then as a bonus the set from one of the new dungeons,Tzogvin’s Warband, was perfect for ranged builds which cannot use Beast trap for Minor Force.

    Gryphon gear from Summerset also gives minor force but warband also gives crit.

    Well, one CAN use Lightweight Beast Trap, at least if one can throw it with better aim than I have mustered to date. Is the skill damage (Minor Force aside) so weak that one shouldn't?
  • Floplag
    Floplag
    Soul Shriven
    Im not looking for a specific class to be honest, I am still learning the game having only a couple moths in to date so i'm far from established on any one thing.

    Right now i have a stamplar and a stamblade at max as far as stamina classes go, and am working on a warden and a sorc with the anniversary event that will be done soon.

    I'm a person that likes to understand and play all classes as i think you have to to combat them properly.

    That having been said at this point im mainly looking for any truly viable build that covers all play style formats. It doesnt matter which class as i can have one maxed in short order easy enough. Ill put in the work for the right situation im just not sure i know enough yet to know for sure what that is so i though i would ask for some feedback and referrals to hopefully point out anything i hadnt yet thought of or confirm what i think to date.

    Sidenote, than you for that stamblade link ill check that out.
  • Toc de Malsvi
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  • Toc de Malsvi
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    msalvia wrote: »
    I'm not an expert on this, and I've heard bow/bow CAN be viable, but I have never run vet content with a bow/bow dps that could keep up. That's not to say it's impossible--as a skilled bow/bow player is better than a trash DW/Bow player--but I would be surprised if this is competitive build. Sure looks like fun though, if that's what you're after!

    -Matt

    There is nothing particularly difficult about bow/bow in PVE. The major component of DPS is still just dot stacking and light weaving skills. The major components of survivability are the same regardless of melee or ranged, stay out of bad and block/dodge roll certain boss mechanics. Someone that cannot break 30k on Bow/Bow by an large isn't going to do so with DW/Bow because they are already not light weaving or missing enchants/traits/mundus/food/cp.

    Can Bow/Bow pull more dps on specific trial fights? Yes that has been done and shown. Does Bow/Bow pull more on a dummy? Depends on which buffs/synergies are being brought. Competitive is a relative goal. Each player and group has a different standard that is largely a function of a fluctuating group/player belief system further related to personal/group experience.

    Currently the high end dps for Bow/Bow is achievable thanks to the Shadow Silk synergy. Without that synergy they are a bit behind, that synergy however is easily ran and best utilized by ranged. So if your group is willing to try to farm and run sets like Alkosh, there is little reason they cannot have a tank/healer throw Shadow Silk or even have two dps trade Synergies with each other. This is assuming there are fights where a ranged Bow/Bow dps would bring the most dps, and there are those fights.

    Here is Hodor setting a record on vAS hardmode with bow/bow dps, they did it in 4 min and 35 seconds:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQf1Fr3hjA4
    Edited by Toc de Malsvi on April 5, 2019 5:31PM
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  • MashmalloMan
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    I'm expecting spiders to be nerfed as of U22.

    Class skills are getting a look at for update 22 potentially making more classes viable for interesting bow/bow builds. Currently Stam Sorc's just need to cast Snipe on front bar for the entire front bar rotation to be competitive.

    Necromancer looks like a very fun bow/bow class due to how many class abilities work for a ranged playstyle and the corpse mechanic.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/466147/sta-necro-bow-bow-build-subject-to-change#latest
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  • reprosal
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    It was already said that spiders are presently working as intended in a stream. I am fairly sure they will not be nerfing it.

    I have been dabbling bow/bow for a few weeks now and it is indeed strong even without spiders.
  • DoonerSeraph
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    Well, one CAN use Lightweight Beast Trap, at least if one can throw it with better aim than I have mustered to date. Is the skill damage (Minor Force aside) so weak that one shouldn't?

    About LW trap.

    The travel time is wonky, takes 1s to arm once on the ground, the minor force duration is so low, and cost is horrendously high.
  • reprosal
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    Bow/bow uses Tzogvin for minor force. It is such a good set..
  • goldenarcher1
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    Also an option.

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  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    About LW trap.

    The travel time is wonky, takes 1s to arm once on the ground, the minor force duration is so low, and cost is horrendously high.

    What they need is to make LW trap have mob collision
  • Toc de Malsvi
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    What they need is to make LW trap have mob collision

    That would be nice but personally I still don't think it would be worth it in most cases.

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  • MashmalloMan
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    @Toc de Malsvi What do you have against templars :o ?
    Edited by MashmalloMan on April 6, 2019 5:19PM
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  • RandomKodiak
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    Warden Bow/Bow Reliquen, T's Warband, 1 Kra'gh, 1 Stormfist self buffed and cheese food FIeUTMA.png
  • RandomKodiak
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    Oh and I don't have a vMA bow, also have a Sorc, DK and NB bow/bow all can do between 38k and 40k
  • MashmalloMan
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    Oh and I don't have a vMA bow, also have a Sorc, DK and NB bow/bow all can do between 38k and 40k
    I'm assuming your using lover?

    You'd probably do better with shadow/warrior mundus stone vs lover, looks like in a group setting you'd start to over penetrate as your only about 3k pen below cap without alkosh, crusher or minor fracture.

    Good luck getting that VMA bow! :)
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  • Toc de Malsvi
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    @Toc de Malsvi What do you have against templars :o ?

    Um... They're evil? I'm not sure what isn't clear about that.

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  • Toc de Malsvi
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    @Marshall1289

    Have you never seen one stick its hand out extending a beam of light to suck the soul out of their enemies?
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  • RandomKodiak
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    @Marshall1289 That's for Parsing the Kra'gh with shalks and Sharpened Bow, when in trials I use Velidreth helm for a bit more damage. Also that is with the Shadow Lover would put me over
  • MashmalloMan
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    @Marshall1289 That's for Parsing the Kra'gh with shalks and Sharpened Bow, when in trials I use Velidreth helm for a bit more damage. Also that is with the Shadow Lover would put me over
    @RandomKodiak

    Ah sharpened bow + Kragh, not lover. My bad.

    Why not Kragh + Veli + Nirn/Precise/Infused Bow + Shadow Mundus + Adjust CP slightly for about +1k pen.

    If you needed any more sustain without a stormfist piece, use absorb stam enchant w/ infused front bar.

    Lethal Arrow beats Sub Assault + Cutting Dive in dps. I'd still slot both and use Sub Assault in the rotation to provide aoe major fracture.

    Lethal Arrow guarantees poison status effect so an absorb stam enchant becomes less of a dps loss vs a poison enchant.

    Your penetration would be at a safer number, but your dps would be higher even without group debuffs. You could definitely push for 45k+ dps solo.

    I know people don't like the cast time of Snipe and that might be why you don't use it, but it is being sped up for U22 potentially providing same dps, but easier to weave.
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