Pvp relic concerns

Shadowasrial

So we know that as it is now the relic can’t be picked up by the current emperor. But that doesn’t mean that the emp and his crew can’t kill the relic holder and give the relic to another member of his group thus giving one alliance 2 emperors in one group. Does anyone see the potential damage this can do to a campaign? If they allow this it could potentially kill a campaign really quickly. I propose a simple change to the relic in order for it not to be abused by the winning faction. Lock it from alliance members who currently have emp. Not just the emperor. This would prevent a powerful group to become unstoppable.

xxthir13enxx

Don’t worry....it’ll primarily be abused by a group just Farming with it

Mayrael

Why not go further? Winning alliance can't use the relic. This would be nice way to catch up for 2nd and 3rd faction.

Universe

@ZOS_BrianWheeler mentioned on #BethesdaGameDays Twitch broadcast that the Daedric Artifact will spawn near the alliance with the lowest points.
Usually the alliance with lowest points isn't the alliance which has emperor, so the situation you are describing will be very rare.
Though ZOS can add an additional rule that if there is an emperor in group, a player can't pick up the weapon.

Shadowasrial

Mayrael wrote: »

Why not go further? Winning alliance can't use the relic. This would be nice way to catch up for 2nd and 3rd faction.

Well the reason why winning alliance should be able to pick up is the alliance has the right to defend the campaign. Say winning alliance looses emp. Well this relic just might give them the chance to get it back. Once winning alliance has emp back the relic should be force dropped so the other alliance can try to counter the emp. There are plenty of campaigns too where emp doesn’t mean the alliance is winning. Sometimes the other alliances play the true objective of the campaign and defend their objectives earning them more points to the total score than owning the emp keeps give

TequilaFire

This super cheese is so open to abuse.
We needed new objectives not toys.

Shadowasrial

Universe wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler mentioned on #BethesdaGameDays Twitch broadcast that the Daedric Artifact will spawn near the alliance with the lowest points.
Usually the alliance with lowest points isn't the alliance which has emperor, so the situation you are describing will be very rare.
Though ZOS can add an additional rule that if there is an emperor in group, a player can't pick up the weapon.

The only problem with that is you know that as soon as that relic spawns emp and his crew will peel off from what ever they are doing unless they are defending last emp keep to go and steal that relic. As for not being grouped all he’s got to do is let the player he wants to have the relic not be in the group. Many major pvp guilds communicate in guild chat so they could easily still coordinate

Mayrael

TequilaFire wrote: »

This super cheese is so open to abuse.
We needed new objectives not toys.

Actually I totally agree.

red_emu

Considering how broken 'Low Pop Bonus' is and how many really skilled 'troll raids' always tend to be playing their 'loosing' faction character, this will most definitely be very interesting. A loosing alliance, with low pop bonus flipping the entire map in one go. There is definitely potential for abusing the system but I am for one happy. There is nothing more boring than defending the same keep over and over and over again for the entire day. Cyrodiil needs more dynamic and even if the 'Eye of Sauron' turns out to be completely broken OP it should still be fun

Universe

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Universe wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler mentioned on #BethesdaGameDays Twitch broadcast that the Daedric Artifact will spawn near the alliance with the lowest points.
Usually the alliance with lowest points isn't the alliance which has emperor, so the situation you are describing will be very rare.
Though ZOS can add an additional rule that if there is an emperor in group, a player can't pick up the weapon.

The only problem with that is you know that as soon as that relic spawns emp and his crew will peel off from what ever they are doing unless they are defending last emp keep to go and steal that relic. As for not being grouped all he’s got to do is let the player he wants to have the relic not be in the group. Many major pvp guilds communicate in guild chat so they could easily still coordinate

@ZOS_BrianWheeler
ZOS can add an affect that can slowly kill the Daedric Artifact wielder if he is near an emperor from his own alliance for far too long.
"Daedric Power of the Throne" Affect: When you're near an emperor from the same alliance as you, your health will decrease by 10% every 5 seconds.

Qbiken

Can't wait for the lagfiesta that will occur around Volendrung xD

Vapirko

You can come up with all the restrictions you want, but if the artifact is worth any amount of power people will find a way to abuse it, end of story. I don’t even want to think about a raid zerg holding this thing.

red_emu

Qbiken wrote: »

Can't wait for the lagfiesta that will occur around Volendrung xD

You mean Volenlag? Lagendrum? Volen2FPSdrung?

idk

Universe wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler mentioned on #BethesdaGameDays Twitch broadcast that the Daedric Artifact will spawn near the alliance with the lowest points.
Usually the alliance with lowest points isn't the alliance which has emperor, so the situation you are describing will be very rare.
Though ZOS can add an additional rule that if there is an emperor in group, a player can't pick up the weapon.

Very good point to add to this topic. However the last item is easily fixed. Emp drops group.

Universe

Vapirko wrote: »

You can come up with all the restrictions you want, but if the artifact is worth any amount of power people will find a way to abuse it, end of story. I don’t even want to think about a raid zerg holding this thing.

Well it will depend on the restriction.
As I posted earlier, group restriction+a damage health and/or resources drain of the weapon wielder can help to minimize abuse.
As for 100% abuse free, there is no such thing unless no one from the same alliance as the emperor can pick up the weapon as the OP posted.

Skwor

Come on now, it is not like an alliance would sandbag points just to pop Emperor AND try to grab the relic on a different group coordinating both groups together to then troll the other 2 alliances.

THAT would never happen.

I mean that would sort of be like people faction swapping mid sieges to gain an advantage... oh wait.

Universe

Skwor wrote: »

Come on now, it is not like an alliance would sandbag points just to pop Emperor AND try to grab the relic on a different group coordinating both groups together to then troll the other 2 allainces.

THAT would never happen.

In theory it could happen, but the chances for that are slim.
The weapon drop is so random, that the weapon will probably be picked up by either a solo player or a player who isn't in the emperor's guild/group.

xxthir13enxx

Universe wrote: »

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Universe wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler mentioned on #BethesdaGameDays Twitch broadcast that the Daedric Artifact will spawn near the alliance with the lowest points.
Usually the alliance with lowest points isn't the alliance which has emperor, so the situation you are describing will be very rare.
Though ZOS can add an additional rule that if there is an emperor in group, a player can't pick up the weapon.

The only problem with that is you know that as soon as that relic spawns emp and his crew will peel off from what ever they are doing unless they are defending last emp keep to go and steal that relic. As for not being grouped all he’s got to do is let the player he wants to have the relic not be in the group. Many major pvp guilds communicate in guild chat so they could easily still coordinate

@ZOS_BrianWheeler
ZOS can add an affect that can slowly kill the Daedric Artifact wielder if he is near an emperor from his own alliance for far too long.
"Daedric Power of the Throne" Affect: When you're near an emperor from the same alliance as you, your health will decrease by 10% every 5 seconds.

And than the Emp wants one of their buddies to have the artifact...so they just follow harassing them till they drop dead from proximity...

Long story short...this whole Feature is not making Cyrodiil better...

Skwor

Universe wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Come on now, it is not like an alliance would sandbag points just to pop Emperor AND try to grab the relic on a different group coordinating both groups together to then troll the other 2 allainces.

THAT would never happen.

In theory it could happen, but the chances for that are slim.
The weapon drop is so random, that the weapon will probably be picked up by either a solo player or a player who isn't in the emperor's guild/group.

If they sandbag points then pop emp they then know the relic is in their territory. All it takes is some zone call out coordination to complete the task. Yes a little tricky but I have seen factions on a good night coordinate quite well, this is very doable.

InvictusApollo

Universe wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler mentioned on #BethesdaGameDays Twitch broadcast that the Daedric Artifact will spawn near the alliance with the lowest points.
Usually the alliance with lowest points isn't the alliance which has emperor, so the situation you are describing will be very rare.
Though ZOS can add an additional rule that if there is an emperor in group, a player can't pick up the weapon.

Ha ha ha aha ha ah aha ha haha ha ha

Have you just assumend that the emperor's ball group won't just roll through entire Cyrodill to get the most overpowered thing since ever?

It will be the new farming tool for ballgroups.

Defilted

We all know it is going to be 5 or 6 guys running around in a resource tower for 6 hours farming.

xxthir13enxx

If Emp alliance not able to Pick Up relic...what happens when relic is used for Emp Push...
I’m curious is ZoS has considered this...Player gets Crowned Emp while carrying Relic and....what!? It drops?Vanishes?

Universe

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Universe wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler mentioned on #BethesdaGameDays Twitch broadcast that the Daedric Artifact will spawn near the alliance with the lowest points.
Usually the alliance with lowest points isn't the alliance which has emperor, so the situation you are describing will be very rare.
Though ZOS can add an additional rule that if there is an emperor in group, a player can't pick up the weapon.

Ha ha ha aha ha ah aha ha haha ha ha

Have you just assumend that the emperor's ball group won't just roll through entire Cyrodill to get the most overpowered thing since ever?

It will be the new farming tool for ballgroups.

They will have hard time getting there in time.
There won't be an alert with huge glow on map with "come pick me up", it will be random(as far as I know).

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

If Emp alliance not able to Pick Up relic...what happens when relic is used for Emp Push...
I’m curious is ZoS has considered this...Player gets Crowned Emp while carrying Relic and....what!? It drops?Vanishes?

Probably drops/vanishes as it was mentioned in stream that an emperor can't wield it in any way.

TequilaFire

Your deluding yourself if you don't think the same groups will get control of the relic.
I can name them on servers I play on.
Also if a random picks it up they will get a lot of invites all of a sudden. lol
Can't wait to see zone chat!

Universe

TequilaFire wrote: »

Your deluding yourself if you don't think the same groups will get control of the relic.
I can name them on servers I play on.
Also if a random picks it up they will get a lot of invites all of a sudden. lol
Can't wait to see zone chat!

Well, hopefully ZOS can try to add some efficient restrictions to make it more balanced.
This new artifact system really adds new flavor to the old & unchanged Cyrodiil.

WuffyCerulei

If some farm group are the biggest buttholes this side of Tamriel and takes the relic for their own use *stares at a certain PC NA EP guild*, just nail it to the pugs to not feed them. Though bringing down a keep wall will cause issues with pvdooring to farm a keep. I see that being a pretty huge issue. Though, the faction lock should be able to keep at least half those people from hopping factions and use the relic to farm on those toons.

TequilaFire

Universe wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Your deluding yourself if you don't think the same groups will get control of the relic.
I can name them on servers I play on.
Also if a random picks it up they will get a lot of invites all of a sudden. lol
Can't wait to see zone chat!

Well, hopefully ZOS can try to add some efficient restrictions to make it more balanced.
This new artifact system really adds new flavor to the old & unchanged Cyrodiil.

So did OP siege weapons and sets that were OP before nerf by that logic.
Adding more capturable locations and movable objects that need returned to a location for campaign points and ap is adding flavor.
A few tricks from battle grounds on a larger scale would of been more welcome.

goldenarcher1

*waits patiently*

zaria

Qbiken wrote: »

Can't wait for the lagfiesta that will occur around Volendrung xD

i7 + 48GB ram + ti 1080 + SSD pay to win Note the real i7 with 6 memory lanes.

Blinkin8r

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

If Emp alliance not able to Pick Up relic...what happens when relic is used for Emp Push...
I’m curious is ZoS has considered this...Player gets Crowned Emp while carrying Relic and....what!? It drops?Vanishes?

Here's how I see it going down. If a guy is carrying volendrung and is crowned emperor, the weapon will disappear and he'll have his normal weapons equipped but the volendrung skill bar won't go away, so he tries reloading ui; doesn't work. Tries porting; doesn't work. So he reloads his game, kicked from cyrodiil. Queue 78. By the time he gets back into the campaign he's lost emp.

TequilaFire

zaria wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Can't wait for the lagfiesta that will occur around Volendrung xD

i7 + 48GB ram + ti 1080 + SSD pay to win Note the real i7 with 6 memory lanes.

Now if ESO code only utilized that power.