We need faction lock on the forums!

IxSTALKERxI

I do not wish to read forum threads from Ebonheart Pact players complaining about being locked on the losing faction as it is ruining my immersion. They should have their own section on the forums where they can discuss with one another how they can get gud instead of needing to swap factions. I also don't approve of them spying on my amazing comments and forum threads about them.

NirnStorm

You beat me to it. Filthy AD.

DisgracefulMind

You're right, we shouldn't be allowed ANY CONTACT with opposing alliances!

TerraDewBerry

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

I do not wish to read forum threads from Ebonheart Pact players complaining about being locked on the losing faction as it is ruining my immersion. They should have their own section on the forums where they can discuss with one another how they can get gud instead of needing to swap factions. I also don't approve of them spying on my amazing comments and forum threads about them.

If EP is locked on a losing campaign, that hopefully gives them added incentive to try harder to turn the tide and help their faction win...

I do agree about them getting their own section of the forums... (jk) sorta...

manny254

Can we faction lock consumables? I don't want filthy orcs or lizards eating the home dishes of my land.

DisgracefulMind

manny254 wrote: »

Can we faction lock consumables? I don't want filthy orcs or lizards eating the home dishes of my land.

Serious note - I actually miss the unique recipes from the different alliances back before they made them all the same with 1.6. Bring those back

Minno

AGREED. I think the game will be great for this!

Turelus

You mean lock out the troll faction?

leeux

You know... satire is never a good for making a point IMO, if you want to revert a decision, you just need to present a cogent/logical argument of why it's the wrong thing to do.

Here we have a competitive scenario in the game, one of the few competitive stages... and atm that competition is polluted by people going to and fro from whatever faction to whatever faction they want, even to the point that the same players could hold the first top leaderboard spots for several factions, if they wanted... How that makes sense in a competitive scenario?

I DO support faction locks, they were needed and there's a lot of people that stopped playing when campaing manipulation became a thing... how many of them could get back to play the game over how many people would stop playing? I don't know... we don't know, really.

So, what's the problem? AFAIK, you'll be able to swap faction still, even on the locked campaigns... you'll just have to unhome and then home your other faction's characters (losing you end of camp. rewards and leaderboard status in the process...)

MipMip

leeux wrote: »

You know... satire is never a good for making a point IMO, if you want to revert a decision, you just need to present a cogent/logical argument of why it's the wrong thing to do.

Here we have a competitive scenario in the game, one of the few competitive stages... and atm that competition is polluted by people going to and fro from whatever faction to whatever faction they want, even to the point that the same players could hold the first top leaderboard spots for several factions, if they wanted... How that makes sense in a competitive scenario?

I DO support faction locks, they were needed and there's a lot of people that stopped playing when campaing manipulation became a thing... how many of them could get back to play the game over how many people would stop playing? I don't know... we don't know, really.

So, what's the problem? AFAIK, you'll be able to swap faction still, even on the locked campaigns... you'll just have to unhome and then home your other faction's characters (losing you end of camp. rewards and leaderboard status in the process...)

There are numerous serious posts on other threads that explain why faction lock will likely not improve faction balance (rather may worsen it), will not remove trolling (trolls will be trolls), will allow people who like to fight for an alliance to do this (which they can already do now) but will make it more difficult for groups that look good fights and do not care about the score to find those fights (which is now often done by logging to the underdog factions), and will make it more difficult for people to play with friends, etc

MipMip

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

I do not wish to read forum threads from Ebonheart Pact players complaining about being locked on the losing faction as it is ruining my immersion. They should have their own section on the forums where they can discuss with one another how they can get gud instead of needing to swap factions. I also don't approve of them spying on my amazing comments and forum threads about them.

Exactly! Faction lock on the forums will finally prevent fraternizing with the enemy!

leeux

MipMip wrote: »

There are numerous serious posts on other threads that explain why faction lock will likely not improve faction balance (rather may worsen it), will not remove trolling (trolls will be trolls), will allow people who like to fight for an alliance to do this (which they can already do now) but will make it more difficult for groups that look good fights and do not care about the score to find those fights (which is now often done by logging to the underdog factions), and will make it more difficult for people to play with friends, etc

Yeah, I know... I'm familiar with them and I respect them... but, you have to concede they are only anecdotal, right? And I'm not saying that the arguments for having faction lock in the first place weren't also anecdotal... they mostly were too.

But there's a difference.. and you have to see it too?

There's a leaderboard and a scoring system => competitive scenario.

In my own interpretation, all those arguments you mention boil down to players/guilds wanting to freely be able to police the campaigns with no ties, no bounds, IMO.

I might be wrong of course, since I don't know for sure that's the reason they do what they do... but in any case, the actions done render the leaderboard and faction score pointless, to the point they might not even be there... so, if you don't want faction locks, then, the only other logical thing to do, is to promote removal of the leaderboards and score and make the campaign free for all... would not that be reasonable to assume?

Ahtu

No comment. I died laughing. XD

Dutchessx

lol 😂 good humor guys

MipMip

leeux wrote: »

MipMip wrote: »

There are numerous serious posts on other threads that explain why faction lock will likely not improve faction balance (rather may worsen it), will not remove trolling (trolls will be trolls), will allow people who like to fight for an alliance to do this (which they can already do now) but will make it more difficult for groups that look good fights and do not care about the score to find those fights (which is now often done by logging to the underdog factions), and will make it more difficult for people to play with friends, etc

Yeah, I know... I'm familiar with them and I respect them... but, you have to concede they are only anecdotal, right? And I'm not saying that the arguments for having faction lock in the first place weren't also anecdotal... they mostly were too.

But there's a difference.. and you have to see it too?

There's a leaderboard and a scoring system => competitive scenario.

In my own interpretation, all those arguments you mention boil down to players/guilds wanting to freely be able to police the campaigns with no ties, no bounds, IMO.

I might be wrong of course, since I don't know for sure that's the reason they do what they do... but in any case, the actions done render the leatherboard and faction score pointless, to the point they might not even be there... so, if you don't want faction locks, then, the only other logical thing to do, is to promote removal of the leatherboards and score and make the campaign free for all... would not that be reasonable to assume?

The Cyrodiil leatherboard is not related to the Alliance war, it only measures how much AP individual players have gained. Then there is the campaign score, which obviously does relate to the Alliance war, but there is no rule saying the score should be the (only) objective that you play for, and no rule saying that playing for the campaign score should be the only playstyle. Also from a lore point of view, there is no need for everyone to be a loyal soldier of a king / queen, there can be adventurers who go where the glory (= good fights) is.

The problem with the current discussion starts with the fact that part of those who enjoy playing for the faction score want to play exclusively with others who play the same way and do not accept that there can be a variety of playstyles in Cyrodiil.

poietin

leeux wrote: »

You know... satire is never a good for making a point IMO, if you want to revert a decision, you just need to present a cogent/logical argument of why it's the wrong thing to do.

Satire is needed to show how pointless faction lock is and how ludicrous pro-faction lock reasoning sounds.

Kaiz

get these DC and EP off my forums

Kaiz

ks888

@leeux Satire no good for making a point? Clearly never read a Modest Proposal.

Edirt_seliv

leeux wrote: »

You know... satire is never a good for making a point IMO, if you want to revert a decision, you just need to present a cogent/logical argument of why it's the wrong thing to do.

Here we have a competitive scenario in the game, one of the few competitive stages... and atm that competition is polluted by people going to and fro from whatever faction to whatever faction they want, even to the point that the same players could hold the first top leaderboard spots for several factions, if they wanted... How that makes sense in a competitive scenario?

I DO support faction locks, they were needed and there's a lot of people that stopped playing when campaing manipulation became a thing... how many of them could get back to play the game over how many people would stop playing? I don't know... we don't know, really.

So, what's the problem? AFAIK, you'll be able to swap faction still, even on the locked campaigns... you'll just have to unhome and then home your other faction's characters (losing you end of camp. rewards and leaderboard status in the process...)

There's nothing competitive about the people who want faction lock.

leeux

ks888 wrote: »

@leeux Satire no good for making a point? Clearly never read a Modest Proposal.

@ks888 No, never, to be completely honest... tbf I'm from a different language speaking country, I mean, English is not my main language, so if I had read it, it would have been probably butchered by the translation... but I could probably read it now in its original language, and I'm sure it'll be a great experience.

But, I mean, I'm not against using satire as a tool ofc. it's useful, but IMO it's just too forced when applied to the current situation. And I just picked this thread to post instead of the other three of four other similar ones that popped during the past day or so...

I digress, it's clear there are a core group of people that is being hurt by this change and I'm not against they voicing their complains openly, and I understand their points. It's just IMO this might not be the most fruitful form of point-making... again, IMO

leeux

Edirt_seliv wrote: »

leeux wrote: »

You know... satire is never a good for making a point IMO, if you want to revert a decision, you just need to present a cogent/logical argument of why it's the wrong thing to do.

Here we have a competitive scenario in the game, one of the few competitive stages... and atm that competition is polluted by people going to and fro from whatever faction to whatever faction they want, even to the point that the same players could hold the first top leaderboard spots for several factions, if they wanted... How that makes sense in a competitive scenario?

I DO support faction locks, they were needed and there's a lot of people that stopped playing when campaing manipulation became a thing... how many of them could get back to play the game over how many people would stop playing? I don't know... we don't know, really.

So, what's the problem? AFAIK, you'll be able to swap faction still, even on the locked campaigns... you'll just have to unhome and then home your other faction's characters (losing you end of camp. rewards and leaderboard status in the process...)

There's nothing competitive about the people who want faction lock.

My counter-point is Without faction lock there's no competition.

Glory

Kaiz wrote: »

get these DC and EP off my forums

Says a cog in the Zombie Death Machine.

Kaiz

@Glory

InvictusApollo

leeux wrote: »

You know... satire is never a good for making a point IMO, if you want to revert a decision, you just need to present a cogent/logical argument of why it's the wrong thing to do.

Here we have a competitive scenario in the game, one of the few competitive stages... and atm that competition is polluted by people going to and fro from whatever faction to whatever faction they want, even to the point that the same players could hold the first top leaderboard spots for several factions, if they wanted... How that makes sense in a competitive scenario?

I DO support faction locks, they were needed and there's a lot of people that stopped playing when campaing manipulation became a thing... how many of them could get back to play the game over how many people would stop playing? I don't know... we don't know, really.

So, what's the problem? AFAIK, you'll be able to swap faction still, even on the locked campaigns... you'll just have to unhome and then home your other faction's characters (losing you end of camp. rewards and leaderboard status in the process...)

We have already provided a lot of logical arguments. But no one listens to logical arguments. Everyone listens only to whining for nerfs. That is why we resolve to ridiculing this "faction lock idea".

josh.lackey_ESO

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

You're right, we shouldn't be allowed ANY CONTACT with opposing alliances!

woah woah, slow down. ERP contact should still be allowed

InvictusApollo

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

You're right, we shouldn't be allowed ANY CONTACT with opposing alliances!

woah woah, slow down. ERP contact should still be allowed

The only long and stiff object that Im gonna penetrate my enemies with is my spear!
And I'm not talking about the one that my Argonian slave maid is polishing daily.

usmcjdking

That's small fry stuff.

I'm faction locking Google Fiber.

Checkmate atheists.

Ghostbane