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magsorc advice
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Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
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Altmer has better stamina sustain than dunmer. Dunmer have a bigger initial stam pool, but in a prolonged fight (30 seconds and more) the altmer has better stamina sustain. This also has a nice impact on the use of dark deal, which costs stamina to regain magicka. Damagewise the altmer is just a little bit ahead with a tiny bit more magicka.2 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
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Altmer has better stamina sustain than dunmer. Dunmer have a bigger initial stam pool, but in a prolonged fight (30 seconds and more) the altmer has better stamina sustain. This also has a nice impact on the use of dark deal, which costs stamina to regain magicka. Damagewise the altmer is just a little bit ahead with a tiny bit more magicka.
Seconded. Altmer is marginally better choice than Dunmer. The superior stam regen in combat works better with Dark Conversion/Deal. It's extremely evident in no CP cyro and BGs.
Breton has worse stam sustain but far superior mag sustain, which is like a seducer 5-piece bonus. Which means you can add an offensive set like Spinner or Julianos instead of running 2 sustain sets like Shackle+Lich which many sorcs run. And probably get more total dmg than the Altmer.
I'd say for PvP there's very little if anything between Altmer and Breton, with Dunmer coming a close 3rd.EU | PC | AD1 -
Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
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Altmer has better stamina sustain than dunmer. Dunmer have a bigger initial stam pool, but in a prolonged fight (30 seconds and more) the altmer has better stamina sustain. This also has a nice impact on the use of dark deal, which costs stamina to regain magicka. Damagewise the altmer is just a little bit ahead with a tiny bit more magicka.
If you go Altmer, you need to use shackle or a few well-fitted since stam regen doesn’t help with burst stam movements like breaking free and then roll dodging. Using tri pots with Dunmer will be more survivable if you conserve stam well.
Dark conversion is maybe better for CP, but meditate is far better for non cp, especially BGs imo.
Altmer damage compared to Dunmer is negligible at best, as you only get 125 extra Magicka.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I run Altmer. And I run all tri-stat glyphs with Withmother's and Bright Throat. The racial spell damage, combined with the way shields work, actually benefit lowering your magica pool a bit. I sit at 34K magica, 15K stamina, and 27K health in cyro. Gives me decent shield strength. And with regen at 1800 and spell damage at 3K unbuffed, I am able to sustain and still deal decent damage.
My point is you can get tri-food/shackle levels of stamina on Altmer. Plus you get the added stamina return.0 -
Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭I run Altmer. And I run all tri-stat glyphs with Withmother's and Bright Throat. The racial spell damage, combined with the way shields work, actually benefit lowering your magica pool a bit. I sit at 34K magica, 15K stamina, and 27K health in cyro. Gives me decent shield strength. And with regen at 1800 and spell damage at 3K unbuffed, I am able to sustain and still deal decent damage.
My point is you can get tri-food/shackle levels of stamina on Altmer. Plus you get the added stamina return.
That’ll be for CP cyro though, right?0 -
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Altmer has better stamina sustain than dunmer. Dunmer have a bigger initial stam pool, but in a prolonged fight (30 seconds and more) the altmer has better stamina sustain. This also has a nice impact on the use of dark deal, which costs stamina to regain magicka. Damagewise the altmer is just a little bit ahead with a tiny bit more magicka.
If you go Altmer, you need to use shackle or a few well-fitted since stam regen doesn’t help with burst stam movements like breaking free and then roll dodging. Using tri pots with Dunmer will be more survivable if you conserve stam well.
Dark conversion is maybe better for CP, but meditate is far better for non cp, especially BGs imo.
Altmer damage compared to Dunmer is negligible at best, as you only get 125 extra Magicka.
Nah. Tri stat food a few tri stat glyphs makes Altmer superior to Dunmer. Spell recharge > extra pool when you’re using said tri stats anyways.
Breton vs high Elf would come down to the build.0 -
Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭grannas211 wrote: »
Altmer has better stamina sustain than dunmer. Dunmer have a bigger initial stam pool, but in a prolonged fight (30 seconds and more) the altmer has better stamina sustain. This also has a nice impact on the use of dark deal, which costs stamina to regain magicka. Damagewise the altmer is just a little bit ahead with a tiny bit more magicka.
If you go Altmer, you need to use shackle or a few well-fitted since stam regen doesn’t help with burst stam movements like breaking free and then roll dodging. Using tri pots with Dunmer will be more survivable if you conserve stam well.
Dark conversion is maybe better for CP, but meditate is far better for non cp, especially BGs imo.
Altmer damage compared to Dunmer is negligible at best, as you only get 125 extra Magicka.
Nah. Tri stat food a few tri stat glyphs makes Altmer superior to Dunmer. Spell recharge > extra pool when you’re using said tri stats anyways.
Breton vs high Elf would come down to the build.
Well yeah, that would give a similar result as using shackle.0 -
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✭Have both races as pvp mag sorc. The dunmer works better for me (more flat stam values makes me feel more confortable. Altmer cooldown is high for what it gives). Also for breton and altmer i need 1 stam glyph to being able using witchmother and keep stam at reasonable number. Breton works better with bright throat and tristat food and dunmer with a lich resto backbar and master or asylum front bar.Gepe, Dunmer MagSorc Pact Grand Overlord | Gaepe, Bosmer MagSorc Dominion General
If you see edits on my replies: typos. English isn't my main language0 -
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Breton has worse stam sustain but far superior mag sustain, which is like a seducer 5-piece bonus. Which means you can add an offensive set like Spinner or Julianos instead of running 2 sustain sets like Shackle+Lich which many sorcs run. And probably get more total dmg than the Altmer.
I'd say for PvP there's very little if anything between Altmer and Breton, with Dunmer coming a close 3rd.
I don't think that running 2 sustain sets is optimal on sorc this patch. Personally I feel comfortable sustaining in necro + BT + shadowrend (in total 0.7 sustain sets?
) on dunmer with all spell dmg glyphs and dmg mundus, and it's a lot of dmg + pressure (nerf pets).
Thats in CP, with dark deal + unchained, no harness, 3-stat enchants for even bigger star pool.
Just to conclude, dunmer means free shackle breaker 5-piece, breton - free seducer, altmer is unique. Imho, they are all equal PvP-wise, so you can even chose based on role-play, lol.
Btw, another advantage of dunmer is that it allows you to easily swap to stamina counterpart... Oh, nvm, why would anyone want to play stamsorc these days
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Betty_Booms✭✭✭I found better success with breton due to the resistance and resource cost reduction. My altmer was struggling with sustain and the stam regen passive seemed quite a joke. Plus I feel the breton has more versitility with builds. Altmer is more hard wired to damage. Im not sure with dunmer though.0
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Breton has worse stam sustain but far superior mag sustain, which is like a seducer 5-piece bonus. Which means you can add an offensive set like Spinner or Julianos instead of running 2 sustain sets like Shackle+Lich which many sorcs run. And probably get more total dmg than the Altmer.
I'd say for PvP there's very little if anything between Altmer and Breton, with Dunmer coming a close 3rd.
I don't think that running 2 sustain sets is optimal on sorc this patch. Personally I feel comfortable sustaining in necro + BT + shadowrend (in total 0.7 sustain sets? ) on dunmer with all spell dmg glyphs and dmg mundus, and it's a lot of dmg + pressure (nerf pets).
Shadowrend, no master firestaff, all spell dmg glyphs? Sounds like a duel build.
In any case, Bright Throat is a sustain set pure an simple. It gives 4.2k mag and 279 mag recovery with no spell damage, crit or penetration. It's more of sustain set than Shackle in that regard. So you are running 1 full sustain set. As are most people.
But you're right in that the meta this patch contains necropotence to leverage the Matriach's damage. I think when that meta ends people will revert to type, which is probably two sustain sets (body and backbar) with master firestaff and dmg glyphs.Betty_Booms wrote: »I found better success with breton due to the resistance and resource cost reduction. My altmer was struggling with sustain and the stam regen passive seemed quite a joke. Plus I feel the breton has more versitility with builds. Altmer is more hard wired to damage. Im not sure with dunmer though.
The altmer stam regen passive is OP for mag sorcs. That's not an opinion that's a fact. 215 stam regen is extremely strong for any mag build that need some stam regen to stay alive, but moreso on a class that recovers its primary stat (magicka) by using it's secondary (stamina). Maybe you are not using Dark Conversion that's why you don't notice it's great usefulness?EU | PC | AD1 -
Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
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Breton has worse stam sustain but far superior mag sustain, which is like a seducer 5-piece bonus. Which means you can add an offensive set like Spinner or Julianos instead of running 2 sustain sets like Shackle+Lich which many sorcs run. And probably get more total dmg than the Altmer.
I'd say for PvP there's very little if anything between Altmer and Breton, with Dunmer coming a close 3rd.
I don't think that running 2 sustain sets is optimal on sorc this patch. Personally I feel comfortable sustaining in necro + BT + shadowrend (in total 0.7 sustain sets? ) on dunmer with all spell dmg glyphs and dmg mundus, and it's a lot of dmg + pressure (nerf pets).
Shadowrend, no master firestaff, all spell dmg glyphs? Sounds like a duel build.
In any case, Bright Throat is a sustain set pure an simple. It gives 4.2k mag and 279 mag recovery with no spell damage, crit or penetration. It's more of sustain set than Shackle in that regard. So you are running 1 full sustain set. As are most people.
But you're right in that the meta this patch contains necropotence to leverage the Matriach's damage. I think when that meta ends people will revert to type, which is probably two sustain sets (body and backbar) with master firestaff and dmg glyphs.Betty_Booms wrote: »I found better success with breton due to the resistance and resource cost reduction. My altmer was struggling with sustain and the stam regen passive seemed quite a joke. Plus I feel the breton has more versitility with builds. Altmer is more hard wired to damage. Im not sure with dunmer though.
The altmer stam regen passive is OP for mag sorcs. That's not an opinion that's a fact. 215 stam regen is extremely strong for any mag build that need some stam regen to stay alive, but moreso on a class that recovers its primary stat (magicka) by using it's secondary (stamina). Maybe you are not using Dark Conversion that's why you don't notice it's great usefulness?
Why would you use dark conversion instead of meditate for BGs? It's interruptable, costs stam, and has a long cast time. On a class that tends to be vulnerable to CCs, dark conversioning around good players is basically asking to get focused.
Comparatively, meditate gives back all stats, gives you a shield, and also gives major protection while using it.
Yeah, you can los to dark conversion, but at that point why not just streak behind a wall and meditate for a few seconds and get all stats back?1 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
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Breton has worse stam sustain but far superior mag sustain, which is like a seducer 5-piece bonus. Which means you can add an offensive set like Spinner or Julianos instead of running 2 sustain sets like Shackle+Lich which many sorcs run. And probably get more total dmg than the Altmer.
I'd say for PvP there's very little if anything between Altmer and Breton, with Dunmer coming a close 3rd.
I don't think that running 2 sustain sets is optimal on sorc this patch. Personally I feel comfortable sustaining in necro + BT + shadowrend (in total 0.7 sustain sets? ) on dunmer with all spell dmg glyphs and dmg mundus, and it's a lot of dmg + pressure (nerf pets).
Shadowrend, no master firestaff, all spell dmg glyphs? Sounds like a duel build.
In any case, Bright Throat is a sustain set pure an simple. It gives 4.2k mag and 279 mag recovery with no spell damage, crit or penetration. It's more of sustain set than Shackle in that regard. So you are running 1 full sustain set. As are most people.
But you're right in that the meta this patch contains necropotence to leverage the Matriach's damage. I think when that meta ends people will revert to type, which is probably two sustain sets (body and backbar) with master firestaff and dmg glyphs.Betty_Booms wrote: »I found better success with breton due to the resistance and resource cost reduction. My altmer was struggling with sustain and the stam regen passive seemed quite a joke. Plus I feel the breton has more versitility with builds. Altmer is more hard wired to damage. Im not sure with dunmer though.
The altmer stam regen passive is OP for mag sorcs. That's not an opinion that's a fact. 215 stam regen is extremely strong for any mag build that need some stam regen to stay alive, but moreso on a class that recovers its primary stat (magicka) by using it's secondary (stamina). Maybe you are not using Dark Conversion that's why you don't notice it's great usefulness?
Why would you use dark conversion instead of meditate for BGs? It's interruptable, costs stam, and has a long cast time. On a class that tends to be vulnerable to CCs, dark conversioning around good players is basically asking to get focused.
Comparatively, meditate gives back all stats, gives you a shield, and also gives major protection while using it.
Yeah, you can los to dark conversion, but at that point why not just streak behind a wall and meditate for a few seconds and get all stats back?
Well simple answer. Because it's by far, far, far the superior skill.
All the disadvantages you mentioned about Dark Conversion (interruptible, cast time etc.) exist in amplified mode for Medidate. And then some. You get far more focused when you are mediating completely stationary and hovering above everyone else in the battlefield. I rarely get interrupted even in combat with Dark Conversion and I can keep moving while doing so. I usually get a quick cast off after I stun my opponents with Streak, by the time they CC break etc. I'm done. I don't even need to LOS.
Also a single cast gives you the equivalent 240 mag recovery for 20 seconds afterwards. It's far more efficient both with respect to time and resources returned. I cast it once every 20" as a buff. It's easier to buy 1 second now and then, than buy 5-6 seconds uninterrupted.EU | PC | AD4 -
grannas211✭✭✭✭✭
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Breton has worse stam sustain but far superior mag sustain, which is like a seducer 5-piece bonus. Which means you can add an offensive set like Spinner or Julianos instead of running 2 sustain sets like Shackle+Lich which many sorcs run. And probably get more total dmg than the Altmer.
I'd say for PvP there's very little if anything between Altmer and Breton, with Dunmer coming a close 3rd.
I don't think that running 2 sustain sets is optimal on sorc this patch. Personally I feel comfortable sustaining in necro + BT + shadowrend (in total 0.7 sustain sets? ) on dunmer with all spell dmg glyphs and dmg mundus, and it's a lot of dmg + pressure (nerf pets).
Shadowrend, no master firestaff, all spell dmg glyphs? Sounds like a duel build.
In any case, Bright Throat is a sustain set pure an simple. It gives 4.2k mag and 279 mag recovery with no spell damage, crit or penetration. It's more of sustain set than Shackle in that regard. So you are running 1 full sustain set. As are most people.
But you're right in that the meta this patch contains necropotence to leverage the Matriach's damage. I think when that meta ends people will revert to type, which is probably two sustain sets (body and backbar) with master firestaff and dmg glyphs.Betty_Booms wrote: »I found better success with breton due to the resistance and resource cost reduction. My altmer was struggling with sustain and the stam regen passive seemed quite a joke. Plus I feel the breton has more versitility with builds. Altmer is more hard wired to damage. Im not sure with dunmer though.
The altmer stam regen passive is OP for mag sorcs. That's not an opinion that's a fact. 215 stam regen is extremely strong for any mag build that need some stam regen to stay alive, but moreso on a class that recovers its primary stat (magicka) by using it's secondary (stamina). Maybe you are not using Dark Conversion that's why you don't notice it's great usefulness?
Why would you use dark conversion instead of meditate for BGs? It's interruptable, costs stam, and has a long cast time. On a class that tends to be vulnerable to CCs, dark conversioning around good players is basically asking to get focused.
Comparatively, meditate gives back all stats, gives you a shield, and also gives major protection while using it.
Yeah, you can los to dark conversion, but at that point why not just streak behind a wall and meditate for a few seconds and get all stats back?
Because it and should be used constantly, not just when you need resources back because its constantly giving you regen then. Plus Dark Conversion gives you way more resources whilst also allows you to be on the move.
Edit: Or what the gentleman above me said who said it betterEdited by grannas211 on April 4, 2019 8:47PM1 -
Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
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Breton has worse stam sustain but far superior mag sustain, which is like a seducer 5-piece bonus. Which means you can add an offensive set like Spinner or Julianos instead of running 2 sustain sets like Shackle+Lich which many sorcs run. And probably get more total dmg than the Altmer.
I'd say for PvP there's very little if anything between Altmer and Breton, with Dunmer coming a close 3rd.
I don't think that running 2 sustain sets is optimal on sorc this patch. Personally I feel comfortable sustaining in necro + BT + shadowrend (in total 0.7 sustain sets? ) on dunmer with all spell dmg glyphs and dmg mundus, and it's a lot of dmg + pressure (nerf pets).
Shadowrend, no master firestaff, all spell dmg glyphs? Sounds like a duel build.
In any case, Bright Throat is a sustain set pure an simple. It gives 4.2k mag and 279 mag recovery with no spell damage, crit or penetration. It's more of sustain set than Shackle in that regard. So you are running 1 full sustain set. As are most people.
But you're right in that the meta this patch contains necropotence to leverage the Matriach's damage. I think when that meta ends people will revert to type, which is probably two sustain sets (body and backbar) with master firestaff and dmg glyphs.Betty_Booms wrote: »I found better success with breton due to the resistance and resource cost reduction. My altmer was struggling with sustain and the stam regen passive seemed quite a joke. Plus I feel the breton has more versitility with builds. Altmer is more hard wired to damage. Im not sure with dunmer though.
The altmer stam regen passive is OP for mag sorcs. That's not an opinion that's a fact. 215 stam regen is extremely strong for any mag build that need some stam regen to stay alive, but moreso on a class that recovers its primary stat (magicka) by using it's secondary (stamina). Maybe you are not using Dark Conversion that's why you don't notice it's great usefulness?
Why would you use dark conversion instead of meditate for BGs? It's interruptable, costs stam, and has a long cast time. On a class that tends to be vulnerable to CCs, dark conversioning around good players is basically asking to get focused.
Comparatively, meditate gives back all stats, gives you a shield, and also gives major protection while using it.
Yeah, you can los to dark conversion, but at that point why not just streak behind a wall and meditate for a few seconds and get all stats back?
Well simple answer. Because it's by far, far, far the superior skill.
All the disadvantages you mentioned about Dark Conversion (interruptible, cast time etc.) exist in amplified mode for Medidate. And then some. You get far more focused when you are mediating completely stationary and hovering above everyone else in the battlefield. I rarely get interrupted even in combat with Dark Conversion and I can keep moving while doing so. I usually get a quick cast off after I stun my opponents with Streak, by the time they CC break etc. I'm done. I don't even need to LOS.
Also a single cast gives you the equivalent 240 mag recovery for 20 seconds afterwards. It's far more efficient both with respect to time and resources returned. I cast it once every 20" as a buff. It's easier to buy 1 second now and then, than buy 5-6 seconds uninterrupted.
The recovery is good, but it costs 2k stam, which makes you far easier to CC on a mag build and takes awhile to get back. Why not just los behind a wall and meditate for a few seconds and get ALL stats back? Unless you’re running an unusually high stam pool, dark conversioning is just asking to not be able to CC break imo, especially since the recovery is easy to build in from set bonuses.0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
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Breton has worse stam sustain but far superior mag sustain, which is like a seducer 5-piece bonus. Which means you can add an offensive set like Spinner or Julianos instead of running 2 sustain sets like Shackle+Lich which many sorcs run. And probably get more total dmg than the Altmer.
I'd say for PvP there's very little if anything between Altmer and Breton, with Dunmer coming a close 3rd.
I don't think that running 2 sustain sets is optimal on sorc this patch. Personally I feel comfortable sustaining in necro + BT + shadowrend (in total 0.7 sustain sets? ) on dunmer with all spell dmg glyphs and dmg mundus, and it's a lot of dmg + pressure (nerf pets).
Shadowrend, no master firestaff, all spell dmg glyphs? Sounds like a duel build.
In any case, Bright Throat is a sustain set pure an simple. It gives 4.2k mag and 279 mag recovery with no spell damage, crit or penetration. It's more of sustain set than Shackle in that regard. So you are running 1 full sustain set. As are most people.
But you're right in that the meta this patch contains necropotence to leverage the Matriach's damage. I think when that meta ends people will revert to type, which is probably two sustain sets (body and backbar) with master firestaff and dmg glyphs.Betty_Booms wrote: »I found better success with breton due to the resistance and resource cost reduction. My altmer was struggling with sustain and the stam regen passive seemed quite a joke. Plus I feel the breton has more versitility with builds. Altmer is more hard wired to damage. Im not sure with dunmer though.
The altmer stam regen passive is OP for mag sorcs. That's not an opinion that's a fact. 215 stam regen is extremely strong for any mag build that need some stam regen to stay alive, but moreso on a class that recovers its primary stat (magicka) by using it's secondary (stamina). Maybe you are not using Dark Conversion that's why you don't notice it's great usefulness?
Why would you use dark conversion instead of meditate for BGs? It's interruptable, costs stam, and has a long cast time. On a class that tends to be vulnerable to CCs, dark conversioning around good players is basically asking to get focused.
Comparatively, meditate gives back all stats, gives you a shield, and also gives major protection while using it.
Yeah, you can los to dark conversion, but at that point why not just streak behind a wall and meditate for a few seconds and get all stats back?
Well simple answer. Because it's by far, far, far the superior skill.
All the disadvantages you mentioned about Dark Conversion (interruptible, cast time etc.) exist in amplified mode for Medidate. And then some. You get far more focused when you are mediating completely stationary and hovering above everyone else in the battlefield. I rarely get interrupted even in combat with Dark Conversion and I can keep moving while doing so. I usually get a quick cast off after I stun my opponents with Streak, by the time they CC break etc. I'm done. I don't even need to LOS.
Also a single cast gives you the equivalent 240 mag recovery for 20 seconds afterwards. It's far more efficient both with respect to time and resources returned. I cast it once every 20" as a buff. It's easier to buy 1 second now and then, than buy 5-6 seconds uninterrupted.
The recovery is good, but it costs 2k stam, which makes you far easier to CC on a mag build and takes awhile to get back. Why not just los behind a wall and meditate for a few seconds and get ALL stats back? Unless you’re running an unusually high stam pool, dark conversioning is just asking to not be able to CC break imo, especially since the recovery is easy to build in from set bonuses.
Because I'm a high elf with Bloodspawn which means an effective 1.1k stam regen. So I can afford to CC break on cooldown and cast a 2k Dark conversion once every 20" seconds without problems.
Why would I take myself out of combat for several seconds so that I can meditate? Not to mention that's there no guarantee
you won't get hounded down by stam builds and smashed to bits while you are trying to Meditate?
On the bolded, you don't need an unusually large stam pool. Every combat that lasts more than 30-40 secs becomes all about your regen rather than size of the pool. And I usually stay in a fight longer than that, so I aim for good stam regen as any magsorc should do.
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Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
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Breton has worse stam sustain but far superior mag sustain, which is like a seducer 5-piece bonus. Which means you can add an offensive set like Spinner or Julianos instead of running 2 sustain sets like Shackle+Lich which many sorcs run. And probably get more total dmg than the Altmer.
I'd say for PvP there's very little if anything between Altmer and Breton, with Dunmer coming a close 3rd.
I don't think that running 2 sustain sets is optimal on sorc this patch. Personally I feel comfortable sustaining in necro + BT + shadowrend (in total 0.7 sustain sets? ) on dunmer with all spell dmg glyphs and dmg mundus, and it's a lot of dmg + pressure (nerf pets).
Shadowrend, no master firestaff, all spell dmg glyphs? Sounds like a duel build.
In any case, Bright Throat is a sustain set pure an simple. It gives 4.2k mag and 279 mag recovery with no spell damage, crit or penetration. It's more of sustain set than Shackle in that regard. So you are running 1 full sustain set. As are most people.
But you're right in that the meta this patch contains necropotence to leverage the Matriach's damage. I think when that meta ends people will revert to type, which is probably two sustain sets (body and backbar) with master firestaff and dmg glyphs.Betty_Booms wrote: »I found better success with breton due to the resistance and resource cost reduction. My altmer was struggling with sustain and the stam regen passive seemed quite a joke. Plus I feel the breton has more versitility with builds. Altmer is more hard wired to damage. Im not sure with dunmer though.
The altmer stam regen passive is OP for mag sorcs. That's not an opinion that's a fact. 215 stam regen is extremely strong for any mag build that need some stam regen to stay alive, but moreso on a class that recovers its primary stat (magicka) by using it's secondary (stamina). Maybe you are not using Dark Conversion that's why you don't notice it's great usefulness?
Why would you use dark conversion instead of meditate for BGs? It's interruptable, costs stam, and has a long cast time. On a class that tends to be vulnerable to CCs, dark conversioning around good players is basically asking to get focused.
Comparatively, meditate gives back all stats, gives you a shield, and also gives major protection while using it.
Yeah, you can los to dark conversion, but at that point why not just streak behind a wall and meditate for a few seconds and get all stats back?
Well simple answer. Because it's by far, far, far the superior skill.
All the disadvantages you mentioned about Dark Conversion (interruptible, cast time etc.) exist in amplified mode for Medidate. And then some. You get far more focused when you are mediating completely stationary and hovering above everyone else in the battlefield. I rarely get interrupted even in combat with Dark Conversion and I can keep moving while doing so. I usually get a quick cast off after I stun my opponents with Streak, by the time they CC break etc. I'm done. I don't even need to LOS.
Also a single cast gives you the equivalent 240 mag recovery for 20 seconds afterwards. It's far more efficient both with respect to time and resources returned. I cast it once every 20" as a buff. It's easier to buy 1 second now and then, than buy 5-6 seconds uninterrupted.
The recovery is good, but it costs 2k stam, which makes you far easier to CC on a mag build and takes awhile to get back. Why not just los behind a wall and meditate for a few seconds and get ALL stats back? Unless you’re running an unusually high stam pool, dark conversioning is just asking to not be able to CC break imo, especially since the recovery is easy to build in from set bonuses.
Because I'm a high elf with Bloodspawn which means an effective 1.1k stam regen. So I can afford to CC break on cooldown and cast a 2k Dark conversion once every 20" seconds without problems.
Why would I take myself out of combat for several seconds so that I can meditate? Not to mention that's there no guarantee
you won't get hounded down by stam builds and smashed to bits while you are trying to Meditate?
On the bolded, you don't need an unusually large stam pool. Every combat that lasts more than 30-40 secs becomes all about your regen rather than size of the pool. And I usually stay in a fight longer than that, so I aim for good stam regen as any magsorc should do.
I guess it depends on preference, but I’m a high elf with bloodspawn too and although I don’t use either conversion or meditate right now, meditate seemed far better for me in the past thanks to the full stat regen after only a couple seconds. Plus, it also gives you an extra shield.0 -
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Breton has worse stam sustain but far superior mag sustain, which is like a seducer 5-piece bonus. Which means you can add an offensive set like Spinner or Julianos instead of running 2 sustain sets like Shackle+Lich which many sorcs run. And probably get more total dmg than the Altmer.
I'd say for PvP there's very little if anything between Altmer and Breton, with Dunmer coming a close 3rd.
I don't think that running 2 sustain sets is optimal on sorc this patch. Personally I feel comfortable sustaining in necro + BT + shadowrend (in total 0.7 sustain sets? ) on dunmer with all spell dmg glyphs and dmg mundus, and it's a lot of dmg + pressure (nerf pets).
Shadowrend, no master firestaff, all spell dmg glyphs? Sounds like a duel build.
In any case, Bright Throat is a sustain set pure an simple. It gives 4.2k mag and 279 mag recovery with no spell damage, crit or penetration. It's more of sustain set than Shackle in that regard. So you are running 1 full sustain set. As are most people.
But you're right in that the meta this patch contains necropotence to leverage the Matriach's damage. I think when that meta ends people will revert to type, which is probably two sustain sets (body and backbar) with master firestaff and dmg glyphs.Betty_Booms wrote: »I found better success with breton due to the resistance and resource cost reduction. My altmer was struggling with sustain and the stam regen passive seemed quite a joke. Plus I feel the breton has more versitility with builds. Altmer is more hard wired to damage. Im not sure with dunmer though.
The altmer stam regen passive is OP for mag sorcs. That's not an opinion that's a fact. 215 stam regen is extremely strong for any mag build that need some stam regen to stay alive, but moreso on a class that recovers its primary stat (magicka) by using it's secondary (stamina). Maybe you are not using Dark Conversion that's why you don't notice it's great usefulness?
Why would you use dark conversion instead of meditate for BGs? It's interruptable, costs stam, and has a long cast time. On a class that tends to be vulnerable to CCs, dark conversioning around good players is basically asking to get focused.
Comparatively, meditate gives back all stats, gives you a shield, and also gives major protection while using it.
Yeah, you can los to dark conversion, but at that point why not just streak behind a wall and meditate for a few seconds and get all stats back?
I second this. Meditate is the best sustain skill a sorc can have. Abuse of it can even let you build 100% for damage in no cp bgs.1 -
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✭✭✭✭The problem with meditate is that it's hard to use when you're ridiculously outnumbered. You get six potatoes spamming light attacks, reach, and radiant on you (when you're at full health...) They're not giving you a chance to meditate, if you stop then you'll get mobbed. Major protection or not, six dudes are going to floor you.
Dark exchange is free on every CC break (unchained passive ftw), so you should be using it to get those free resources. And it can't be interrupted or bashed.
You should have enough sustain in your build so that you can keep shielding and kiting, using trees, rocks, and LOS to stay out of most of the line of fire. Until only a few are chasing you, then teach them an important lesson about chasing sorcs and zerging.Edited by Minalan on April 5, 2019 5:26PM1 -
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✭The problem with meditate is that it's hard to use when you're ridiculously outnumbered. You get six potatoes spamming light attacks, reach, and radiant on you (when you're at full health...) They're not giving you a chance to meditate, if you stop then you'll get mobbed. Major protection or not, six dudes are going to floor you.
Dark exchange is free on every CC break (unchained passive ftw), so you should be using it to get those free resources. And it can't be interrupted or bashed.
You should have enough sustain in your build so that you can keep shielding and kiting, using trees, rocks, and LOS to stay out of most of the line of fire. Until only a few are chasing you, then teach them an important lesson about chasing sorcs and zerging.
That’s different from BGs, though, which I specifically mentioned.0
