Fraction lock is a bad idea - Change my mind

Gnozo

Normally i play PvP on DC side cause thats where most of my characters are. But since 2-3 month DC is really Strong and pushes the other 2 alliances back to their main Base wich means there is literraly no pvp at all.

Everywhere you find 5-10 players to fight an whole 30 man blue zerg shows up and wipes all Action in Seconds. Thats boring and the other 2 alliances doesnt really enjoy these kind of Situations. So what we do then is switching to our EP chars and fight the Blues. We get decent action and also helping the map to become healthy and allow PvP for everyone without getting farmed on their Bases.

Since Vivec is the most active campaign this wont be possible anymore with alliance lock. I cant hop on my EP char and play on an active campaign with my friends. Thats such a bad Change.......

Jhalin

See, the thing is, what you described doing, switching factions to flip the map back from your main alliance in order to gain AP, is what they’re trying to stop

The details still haven’t been published anywhere afaik but rumors say it’s only Vivec and the 30 day campaigns being faction locked, while the Guest system was removed so you can enter the 7 day whenever you want

Moonsorrow

Alliance lock is a very good thing.

Change my mind.

SaintSubwayy

why do you think so many players even came to DC?
they prob saw that DC was having lower population -> ergo more enemies to kill, higher tick, more AP so they swapped over to a DC char, and are now plaing on DC.

Thats why lockes have to be implemented, and low alliance bonus should not effect alliance ranks progression.
It should only effect the Alliancecampain points (for weekly / monthly alliance war). and AP currency you earn
so you gain the normal AP towards your Alliance Rank, but double the currency.

the system that is in place now, only furtheres the swapping of alliance in PVP, due to the ridiculously high extra AP you gain on a lowpop alliance.

Alucardo

Shor will be exempt from the faction lock, so you can be as unloyal there as you like. Personally I've seen too many people abusing alliance switching on Vivec for me to want to allow it. From messing with scrolls, to tricking and ambushing pve players for massive AP def ticks. It needs to go I'm afraid.

MajBludd

Due to the current pvp pop, it is a bad idea, imo. If pop was healthier I'd say it is the right thing to do.

You can still play with your friends. Although, it will require you to buy another account or just wait til end of camp to switch sides.

Too many ppl claim they switch factions for your reasons, but seldom is it true. It may be for you though, since I don't know you enough to make that assumption.

Gnozo

Alucardo wrote: »

Shor will be exempt from the faction lock, so you can be as unloyal there as you like. Personally I've seen too many people abusing alliance switching on Vivec for me to want to allow it. From messing with scrolls, to tricking and ambushing pve players for massive AP def ticks. It needs to go I'm afraid.

Sorry for not roleplaying as a loyal warrior for king emeric. Omg stop this roleplay...

Shor is so empty that you can take a Home keep in primetime without anyone showing up to defend.

Gnozo

Just make it that if for example your DC char have vivec as their home campaign you cant set Vivec your home campaign on your AD/EP char but you can still Join.

You dont get reward at the end of the campaign, you dont show up in the Leaderboard. Like a guest but you can still play with your EP friends when your DC friends arent online.......

White wabbit

Sorry but it's coming get on board

Alucardo

Gnozo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Shor will be exempt from the faction lock, so you can be as unloyal there as you like. Personally I've seen too many people abusing alliance switching on Vivec for me to want to allow it. From messing with scrolls, to tricking and ambushing pve players for massive AP def ticks. It needs to go I'm afraid.

Sorry for not roleplaying as a loyal warrior for king emeric. Omg stop this roleplay...

Shor is so empty that you can take a Home keep in primetime without anyone showing up to defend.

I'm sorry, watching inexperienced players getting led to a keep and then the group leader swapping to his friends faction to slaughter them for AP is roleplaying?
Or some *** relaying messages to his friends when and which scrolls we plan to take is also roleplaying? No. They affect the game seriously, even if you don't think so. I fully support faction locking.
And I'm not sure what server you're on, but even though Shor is never poplocked, it's not empty at all. I guest there when I can't play Vivec because of the lag

commodore64

I much prefer round numbers

thedovahmon

But Fraction is soooooo hard though-

degarmo_ESO

How am I supposed to keep my fractions safe from the lowest common denominators without a lock?

Three word jokes in a row!

Elwendryll

Don't lock the fractions, let the fractions be free. Why can't a number be on top of different numbers? Mara's love is infinite.

Alucardo

degarmo_ESO wrote: »

How am I supposed to keep my fractions safe from the lowest common denominators without a lock?

Listen, there's a very fine line between numerators and denominators, but unfortunately only a fraction of people will understand this.

thedovahmon

degarmo_ESO wrote: »

How am I supposed to keep my fractions safe from the lowest common denominators without a lock?

Three word jokes in a row!

Gnozo

Alucardo wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Shor will be exempt from the faction lock, so you can be as unloyal there as you like. Personally I've seen too many people abusing alliance switching on Vivec for me to want to allow it. From messing with scrolls, to tricking and ambushing pve players for massive AP def ticks. It needs to go I'm afraid.

Sorry for not roleplaying as a loyal warrior for king emeric. Omg stop this roleplay...

Shor is so empty that you can take a Home keep in primetime without anyone showing up to defend.

I'm sorry, watching inexperienced players getting led to a keep and then the group leader swapping to his friends faction to slaughter them for AP is roleplaying?
Or some *** relaying messages to his friends when and which scrolls we plan to take is also roleplaying? No. They affect the game seriously, even if you don't think so. I fully support faction locking.
And I'm not sure what server you're on, but even though Shor is never poplocked, it's not empty at all. I guest there when I can't play Vivec because of the lag

And you think this will stop with fraction lock?

Spys just create a 2nd account and level the char to Level 10 and join campaigns. Only Takes like 1 Minute to change the account instead of just the character.

And someone leading a pug zerg, then switching to another alliance to kill them barely happens tbh and after doing it for a week everyone will know about this and not join his groups anymore. I play PC/EU and i actually never heared about this.

And shor is even empty while being pop locked. We tried it several times and it took 30+ Minutes to find any players to fight.

Qbiken

Alucardo wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Shor will be exempt from the faction lock, so you can be as unloyal there as you like. Personally I've seen too many people abusing alliance switching on Vivec for me to want to allow it. From messing with scrolls, to tricking and ambushing pve players for massive AP def ticks. It needs to go I'm afraid.

Sorry for not roleplaying as a loyal warrior for king emeric. Omg stop this roleplay...

Shor is so empty that you can take a Home keep in primetime without anyone showing up to defend.

I'm sorry, watching inexperienced players getting led to a keep and then the group leader swapping to his friends faction to slaughter them for AP is roleplaying?
Or some *** relaying messages to his friends when and which scrolls we plan to take is also roleplaying? No. They affect the game seriously, even if you don't think so. I fully support faction locking.
And I'm not sure what server you're on, but even though Shor is never poplocked, it's not empty at all. I guest there when I can't play Vivec because of the lag

Can I also have one of those tinfoil hats please?

Elwendryll

This thread is now a pun thread.

Alucardo

Qbiken wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Shor will be exempt from the faction lock, so you can be as unloyal there as you like. Personally I've seen too many people abusing alliance switching on Vivec for me to want to allow it. From messing with scrolls, to tricking and ambushing pve players for massive AP def ticks. It needs to go I'm afraid.

Sorry for not roleplaying as a loyal warrior for king emeric. Omg stop this roleplay...

Shor is so empty that you can take a Home keep in primetime without anyone showing up to defend.

I'm sorry, watching inexperienced players getting led to a keep and then the group leader swapping to his friends faction to slaughter them for AP is roleplaying?
Or some *** relaying messages to his friends when and which scrolls we plan to take is also roleplaying? No. They affect the game seriously, even if you don't think so. I fully support faction locking.
And I'm not sure what server you're on, but even though Shor is never poplocked, it's not empty at all. I guest there when I can't play Vivec because of the lag

Can I also have one of those tinfoil hats please?

No. I have to wear double because the alien beams are getting stronger

Alucardo

Gnozo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Shor will be exempt from the faction lock, so you can be as unloyal there as you like. Personally I've seen too many people abusing alliance switching on Vivec for me to want to allow it. From messing with scrolls, to tricking and ambushing pve players for massive AP def ticks. It needs to go I'm afraid.

Sorry for not roleplaying as a loyal warrior for king emeric. Omg stop this roleplay...

Shor is so empty that you can take a Home keep in primetime without anyone showing up to defend.

I'm sorry, watching inexperienced players getting led to a keep and then the group leader swapping to his friends faction to slaughter them for AP is roleplaying?
Or some *** relaying messages to his friends when and which scrolls we plan to take is also roleplaying? No. They affect the game seriously, even if you don't think so. I fully support faction locking.
And I'm not sure what server you're on, but even though Shor is never poplocked, it's not empty at all. I guest there when I can't play Vivec because of the lag

And you think this will stop with fraction lock?

Spys just create a 2nd account and level the char to Level 10 and join campaigns. Only Takes like 1 Minute to change the account instead of just the character.

You think people are going to buy a whole new account just to spy?

thedovahmon

Elwendryll wrote: »

This thread is now a pun thread.

Unfortunately, at least 3/5 of users will still take this thread seriously. Thankfully I'm a part of the other 3/5-

degarmo_ESO

We can have a proper conversation about this, sure, but too many people will just act all improper, and quite frankly, the reactions will be mixed.

Moonsorrow

Gnozo wrote: »

Spys just create a 2nd account and level the char to Level 10 and join campaigns. Only Takes like 1 Minute to change the account instead of just the character.

Most people do no do this, people are lazy and not spending money to 2nd account for this. Yeah, maybe 0.0001% of trolls are this super troll level of commitment, but trust me, this will reduce so much bad behaviour that it will be noticeable.

thedovahmon

degarmo_ESO wrote: »

We can have a proper conversation about this, sure, but too many people will just act all improper, and quite frankly, the reactions will be mixed.

Sounds pretty irrational.

thedovahmon

Alucardo wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Shor will be exempt from the faction lock, so you can be as unloyal there as you like. Personally I've seen too many people abusing alliance switching on Vivec for me to want to allow it. From messing with scrolls, to tricking and ambushing pve players for massive AP def ticks. It needs to go I'm afraid.

Sorry for not roleplaying as a loyal warrior for king emeric. Omg stop this roleplay...

Shor is so empty that you can take a Home keep in primetime without anyone showing up to defend.

I'm sorry, watching inexperienced players getting led to a keep and then the group leader swapping to his friends faction to slaughter them for AP is roleplaying?
Or some *** relaying messages to his friends when and which scrolls we plan to take is also roleplaying? No. They affect the game seriously, even if you don't think so. I fully support faction locking.
And I'm not sure what server you're on, but even though Shor is never poplocked, it's not empty at all. I guest there when I can't play Vivec because of the lag

And you think this will stop with fraction lock?

Spys just create a 2nd account and level the char to Level 10 and join campaigns. Only Takes like 1 Minute to change the account instead of just the character.

You think people are going to buy a whole new account just to spy?

I mean, if they're French-, but that's still like a 1/9 chance.

WillhelmBlack

Kill all sympathisers!

Jokes.

I can't change your mind but this has been requested since launch from AvA'rs. It should have been in since launch tbh.

All my chars are actually DC but I actually don't care about AvA. Cyrodiil has no point to me but there's a lot of people that enjoy the wins they deserve. Now when a faction gets an early lead it's gonna stop all the PvE zergs all logging that faction and PvDooring when Cyrodiil is empty.
Also hopefully with this change we might see more GvG which would be nice.

Gnozo

Alucardo wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Shor will be exempt from the faction lock, so you can be as unloyal there as you like. Personally I've seen too many people abusing alliance switching on Vivec for me to want to allow it. From messing with scrolls, to tricking and ambushing pve players for massive AP def ticks. It needs to go I'm afraid.

Sorry for not roleplaying as a loyal warrior for king emeric. Omg stop this roleplay...

Shor is so empty that you can take a Home keep in primetime without anyone showing up to defend.

I'm sorry, watching inexperienced players getting led to a keep and then the group leader swapping to his friends faction to slaughter them for AP is roleplaying?
Or some *** relaying messages to his friends when and which scrolls we plan to take is also roleplaying? No. They affect the game seriously, even if you don't think so. I fully support faction locking.
And I'm not sure what server you're on, but even though Shor is never poplocked, it's not empty at all. I guest there when I can't play Vivec because of the lag

And you think this will stop with fraction lock?

Spys just create a 2nd account and level the char to Level 10 and join campaigns. Only Takes like 1 Minute to change the account instead of just the character.

You think people are going to buy a whole new account just to spy?

You just need a basic one and i guess you can get this for like 5 Euro.

Anyway, personally i think it will be worse then it is atm. What you gonna do if your alliance is owns every keep and is farming the enemies at their gates? You think this is anywhere near funny?

No its not. Its boring af. And sadly these kind of Situations happend quite often. This game gets worse and worse....

RDMyers65b14_ESO

Simple. Faction lock will IMPROVE PVP by 1000% as it gets rid of the faction hopping. The faction lock should have NEVER been removed. Unfortunately, what they have said isn't a full faction lock, but modified. You just won't be able to exploit and profit from the faction hopping anymore.


I am not going to try to change your mind because you have already said that you are part of the problem. Nothing you can say that will change my mind either.

Alucardo

Gnozo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Shor will be exempt from the faction lock, so you can be as unloyal there as you like. Personally I've seen too many people abusing alliance switching on Vivec for me to want to allow it. From messing with scrolls, to tricking and ambushing pve players for massive AP def ticks. It needs to go I'm afraid.

Sorry for not roleplaying as a loyal warrior for king emeric. Omg stop this roleplay...

Shor is so empty that you can take a Home keep in primetime without anyone showing up to defend.

I'm sorry, watching inexperienced players getting led to a keep and then the group leader swapping to his friends faction to slaughter them for AP is roleplaying?
Or some *** relaying messages to his friends when and which scrolls we plan to take is also roleplaying? No. They affect the game seriously, even if you don't think so. I fully support faction locking.
And I'm not sure what server you're on, but even though Shor is never poplocked, it's not empty at all. I guest there when I can't play Vivec because of the lag

And you think this will stop with fraction lock?

Spys just create a 2nd account and level the char to Level 10 and join campaigns. Only Takes like 1 Minute to change the account instead of just the character.

You think people are going to buy a whole new account just to spy?

You just need a basic one and i guess you can get this for like 5 Euro.

Anyway, personally i think it will be worse then it is atm. What you gonna do if your alliance is owns every keep and is farming the enemies at their gates? You think this is anywhere near funny?

No its not. Its boring af. And sadly these kind of Situations happend quite often. This game gets worse and worse....

We never do own everything because my alliance has no organisational skills at all, and it's generally EP or AD zerging so we can't do much about it anyway.
I get people's reasons for not wanting the faction lock. I understand it's sometimes tempting to hop onto another alliance when things are getting a little stale on your end, and personally I have nothing against that at all. Having said that, even some of my friends have swapped to zerging factions to increase their AP gains - this is a terrible reason to swap.

WoppaBoem

Finally Vivec will feel it is worth it. And not just core teams on all 3 sides and the randoms going to the winning alliance for the rewards.

Love the change, 30 day campaign is very long now knowing that from start to finish people made the decision to group up for the alliance sounds as a really good thing to me.