Minor Berserk

ankeor

So in group content it is either you need to use slimeclaw or healers need to use combat prayer. And both of them is pain. But if healers need to use CP i suggest ZOS to increase the duration of the Minor Berserk buff you get from CP significantly. Make it a ground based aoe and make it work like bolstering darkness skill so everyone get this buff from a single healer.

Since nightblades will not get the buff from grim focus, reduce the cost of it or remove the cost of bow proc. Also make refreshing path skill give players minor berserk as well. So nb healing can be a thing.

likecats

Yea I don't see the point of having grim focus as a active buff anymore.

It should be a passive buff on both bars counting light attacks for the bow proc.

Alucardo

Sounds good. I mean, I'd prefer if they didn't remove it from merciless resolve, but if it were to happen sticking it on refreshing isn't a bad idea.

ankeor

likecats wrote: »

Yea I don't see the point of having grim focus as a buff anymore.

It should be passive now.

You still need it for the bow proc. But yeah not a buff anymore.

likecats

ankeor wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

Yea I don't see the point of having grim focus as a buff anymore.

It should be passive now.

You still need it for the bow proc. But yeah not a buff anymore.

No I meant it should work like frags now. Automatically procs the merciless.

ankeor

likecats wrote: »

ankeor wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

Yea I don't see the point of having grim focus as a buff anymore.

It should be passive now.

You still need it for the bow proc. But yeah not a buff anymore.

No I meant it should work like frags now. Automatically procs the merciless.

I see, As long as you have it on your bar your light attacks will stack it. Am i right?

likecats

ankeor wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

ankeor wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

Yea I don't see the point of having grim focus as a buff anymore.

It should be passive now.

You still need it for the bow proc. But yeah not a buff anymore.

No I meant it should work like frags now. Automatically procs the merciless.

I see, As long as you have it on your bar your light attacks will stack it. Am i right?

Yes on both bars.

Burtan

Its not like other classes have been doing it for years... wait.

Fluke.Slywalker

What you're suggesting makes good sense, it's logical and would benefit the player when working around the pending change..

Which means they won't do it

Vapirko

This is totally unconfirmed. Hold your horses.

MartiniDaniels

Vapirko wrote: »

This is totally unconfirmed. Hold your horses.

Well, it will be end for dottzgaming if it is just a rumor from some troll in ZOS.

John_Falstaff

Vapirko wrote: »

This is totally unconfirmed. Hold your horses.

Problem with that approach is ZOS style of introducing changes. Too many times we've seen that picture on forums:

• It's just a rumour so far, don't be alarmed, let's wait for announcement.
• Hold your horses, it can't be that bad.
• So what, it's first week of PTS, don't be hysterical, they will change it yet.
• There's still that final PTS week, be quiet you loud people.
• (Dead silence from the don't-rock-the-boat people as the change goes live.)

likecats

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

This is totally unconfirmed. Hold your horses.

Problem with that approach is ZOS style of introducing changes. Too many times we've seen that picture on forums:

• It's just a rumour so far, don't be alarmed, let's wait for announcement.
• Hold your horses, it can't be that bad.
• So what, it's first week of PTS, don't be hysterical, they will change it yet.
• There's still that final PTS week, be quiet you loud people.
• (Dead silence from the don't-rock-the-boat people as the change goes live.)

Last patch, non-khajitts and non-altmers complained that khajits and altmers were too OP.

ZOS nerfs them both, but keeps them both competitive.

Now khajitts and altmers make a huge ruckus, even though they are perfectly viable in every content. Altmer actually holds the top spot on some classes.

It's not always ZOS's fault, sometimes its just a difference of opinion in the community.

John_Falstaff

@likecats , I won't say khajiits are competitive. Their racial passives basically place them right in the middle between top races' passives (orc/dunmer/breton/altmer) and having no passives whatsoever. More so, it hard locks them into high crit builds, no other racial passive is so gear-dependent as khajiit's own, that basically killed viability of khajiit healers or certain tank builds. Let's not mix 'competitive' and 'viable' in same context.

ankeor

Well the topic is not about what ZOS did and did not in the past. Here I am making a suggestion about they need to do if this rumor is true.

SammyFable

ankeor wrote: »

So in group content it is either you need to use slimeclaw or healers need to use combat prayer. And both of them is pain. But if healers need to use CP i suggest ZOS to increase the duration of the Minor Berserk buff you get from CP significantly. Make it a ground based aoe and make it work like bolstering darkness skill so everyone get this buff from a single healer.

Since nightblades will not get the buff from grim focus, reduce the cost of it or remove the cost of bow proc. Also make refreshing path skill give players minor berserk as well. So nb healing can be a thing.

Yeah, if you could get down from your high NB horse, that'd be great.
You know, every single non-NB DD has been relying on their healers to run Combat Prayer in trial scenarios ever since and I've never seen any competetitive healer complain about having to use that skill. The only trial in which this is a problem, is vAS, since the healers will have to kite Felm's jump and therefore can't really keep Combat Prayer up for the group. One healer isn't even close enough to the group to even be able to use the skill.

pelle412

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

This is totally unconfirmed. Hold your horses.

Well, it will be end for dottzgaming if it is just a rumor from some troll in ZOS.

It was communicated to everyone who attended the Elsweyr preview event at ZoS as part of current thinking on balance changes. It's so early in the process I don't know why everyone is so stuck on this as we all know a lot of changes can and will be done before it hits live servers. It's not like Dottzgaming is the only one who shared this tidbit.

Emma_Overload

LOL, why do NBs feel like they're entitled to Minor Berserk when everyone else has to bend over backwards to get it?

Slimecraw ain't gonna farm itself, so get crackin'!

Ectheliontnacil

Wait where are you getting this from? If it's true they truly gutted magblade for good this time.

Floliroy

ankeor wrote: »

So in group content it is either you need to use slimeclaw or healers need to use combat prayer. And both of them is pain. But if healers need to use CP i suggest ZOS to increase the duration of the Minor Berserk buff you get from CP significantly. Make it a ground based aoe and make it work like bolstering darkness skill so everyone get this buff from a single healer.

Since nightblades will not get the buff from grim focus, reduce the cost of it or remove the cost of bow proc. Also make refreshing path skill give players minor berserk as well. So nb healing can be a thing.

Instead of increasing the buff duration (8sec atm 10 with jorvuld), I would rather increase the number of people Combat Prayer can affect to 12 people and not 6.

Nightingale707

Combat prayer is in a good place and doesn´t need changing imo. It synergizes great with and Asylum Restoration Staff and Orbs for healers. And it is a pretty potent heal and gives minor resistances. All in all a pretty good skill.

The only reason it didn´t get used much recently is because of the NB meta. Healers are the last ones that will complain, they will (like always) adapt to the needs of the group.

Floliroy

Nightingale707 wrote: »

Combat prayer is in a good place and doesn´t need changing imo. It synergizes great with and Asylum Restoration Staff and Orbs for healers. And it is a pretty potent heal and gives minor resistances. All in all a pretty good skill.

The only reason it didn´t get used much recently is because of the NB meta. Healers are the last ones that will complain, they will (like always) adapt to the needs of the group.

Yeah and i remember there is 1 year (maybe more ??) we have like 1 or 2 NB maximum, and healers where able to get good minor berserk uptime.
But we weren't in a orb healing meta...

IMO they need to inscrease the number of people affected by minor berserk.

OR atleast prioritize people without or with the smallest time remaining of minor berserk.

JinMori

likecats wrote: »

Yea I don't see the point of having grim focus as a active buff anymore.

It should be a passive buff on both bars counting light attacks for the bow proc.

This is also what i thought.

Also yea, combat prayer could use a duration increase. and the other suggestions, are pretty good also.

Raammzzaa

Emma_Overload wrote: »

LOL, why do NBs feel like they're entitled to Minor Berserk when everyone else has to bend over backwards to get it?

Slimecraw ain't gonna farm itself, so get crackin'!

I’d be more disappointed by warden losing major heroism.

ankeor

Nightingale707 wrote: »

Combat prayer is in a good place and doesn´t need changing imo. It synergizes great with and Asylum Restoration Staff and Orbs for healers. And it is a pretty potent heal and gives minor resistances. All in all a pretty good skill.

The only reason it didn´t get used much recently is because of the NB meta. Healers are the last ones that will complain, they will (like always) adapt to the needs of the group.

SammyFable wrote: »

ankeor wrote: »

So in group content it is either you need to use slimeclaw or healers need to use combat prayer. And both of them is pain. But if healers need to use CP i suggest ZOS to increase the duration of the Minor Berserk buff you get from CP significantly. Make it a ground based aoe and make it work like bolstering darkness skill so everyone get this buff from a single healer.

Since nightblades will not get the buff from grim focus, reduce the cost of it or remove the cost of bow proc. Also make refreshing path skill give players minor berserk as well. So nb healing can be a thing.

Yeah, if you could get down from your high NB horse, that'd be great.
You know, every single non-NB DD has been relying on their healers to run Combat Prayer in trial scenarios ever since and I've never seen any competetitive healer complain about having to use that skill. The only trial in which this is a problem, is vAS, since the healers will have to kite Felm's jump and therefore can't really keep Combat Prayer up for the group. One healer isn't even close enough to the group to even be able to use the skill.

Many healers I talked to disagree. They don't want to run after dd's to use combat prayer. It is really hard to manage combat prayer not only in AS but also in CR. First because of the mechanics. 2nd they often don't have free space on their skillbars. Their job is already hard and this change makes it harder. That's why most healers like to play with nb dd's. This nb nerf is deserved but it effects healers more than nb's. I did not ask for a nb dd buff here what i asked was for healers.

And when it comes Slimecraw, are you going for a solo content? You need it. Are you going for dungeons as 1 tank 3 dd? Again you need it. If you don't want to use it then you need a healer or tank to use Combat Prayer. But with a tank using it RIP your crusher uptime. Having a healer is better. At least something like off-healer or support dd, whatever you call it.

Dottzgaming

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

This is totally unconfirmed. Hold your horses.

Well, it will be end for dottzgaming if it is just a rumor from some troll in ZOS.

How? I literally said on my stream when someone else brought it up that I had no idea if it was true or not because I didn't touch a nightblade while I was there. In what capacity will that bring about the downfall of my channel?

Defilted

Where is this information coming from? No patch notes have been released.

Floliroy

I read it here :
https://www.eso-library.com/core/index.php?chapter-elsweyr-en/

Dunno if it's fake news or not

FatelessLava

SammyFable wrote: »

Yeah, if you could get down from your high NB horse, that'd be great.
You know, every single non-NB DD has been relying on their healers to run Combat Prayer in trial scenarios ever since and I've never seen any competetitive healer complain about having to use that skill. The only trial in which this is a problem, is vAS, since the healers will have to kite Felm's jump and therefore can't really keep Combat Prayer up for the group. One healer isn't even close enough to the group to even be able to use the skill.

I would also like to add that in solo parses, the only way for other classes to get that extra 8% damage was to either have someone combat prayer you, or use slimecraw. Both of which are considered cheese on parses according to the majority of the community. If you weren’t a nightblade basically it was a finger to the face.

Most trials anyways you are either stacked or loosely stacked where combat prayer can hit everyone. The only place where this is not the case is vAS in which you can wear slimecraw since Zaan doesn’t hit the boss unless you are right in it’s tail. slimecraw, offers the same crit bonus as Zaan anyways if you want your crit and gives you berserk. In cases where there is a lot of movement Zaan doesn’t work out.

Every class has it’s time at the top, nightblade will still be probably at the top anyways. Adapt and continue with the game. It has not even hit PTS yet.

Defilted

Floliroy wrote: »

I read it here :
https://www.eso-library.com/core/index.php?chapter-elsweyr-en/

Dunno if it's fake news or not

So this is just something that was datamined? Not sure why the freakout is beginning until we hear what is really going on. My Stambalde will miss this buff if it is true, but I guess I can run camo hunter.

ankeor

Defilted wrote: »

Floliroy wrote: »

I read it here :
https://www.eso-library.com/core/index.php?chapter-elsweyr-en/

Dunno if it's fake news or not

So this is just something that was datamined? Not sure why the freakout is beginning until we hear what is really going on. My Stambalde will miss this buff if it is true, but I guess I can run camo hunter.

Camouflaged Hunter: You also gain Minor Berserk for 5 seconds after dealing Critical Damage from Sneak.

No, you will not.