No one's talking about the 600 gem mount in the gambling boxes ($250-$300 to get enough gems)?

AlexanderDeLarge

The 400 gem mounts were already disgustingly overpriced enough but now it's going beyond that and I haven't seen anyone say a damn thing about it.
Watch any crown crate unboxing on YouTube. $100-$150 isn't nearly enough gems to cover it so I'd estimate even with redundant APEX mounts which is incredibly unlikely, you'd have to spend at least $250-$300 to guarantee enough gems to guarantee enough exchange value to get this thing.

Remember when people complained about the Dro-m'Athra Senche for 4000 crowns ($30)? Well at least you knew what you were getting and now we're looking at people spending hundreds of dollars (thousands if you want multiple in a crown crate season I'm sure) to get a chance at these mounts. This is on top of quarterly DLCs, this is on top of yearly chapters which have deluxe/collector's editions at retail, this is on top of a paid membership where the game is a huge pain in the neck to play without. This is on top of the awful client and server performance issues. This is on top of the decline of content releases in general and lack of cosmetic rewards for actually playing the game.

Honestly this might be the straw that breaks the camel's back for me. I've been playing for five years now, I've seen the business model become more and more egregious and whenever I bring up any of these points, I'm labelled a freeloader despite spending hundreds of dollars on content releases and collector's editions.

inb4 "just don't buy it lol" which is exactly the kind of mentality that enabled this BS in the first place

Jimmy

just don't buy it lol

Xajic

just don’t buy it

russelmmendoza

I for one, dont buy crates anymore, the chance to get a apex reward is so low, collecting gem for them is so expensive.

But, its only for cosmetics, so its not p2w.

MartiniDaniels

Lol, and regular weapon styles for 200 gems per piece doesn't concern you? I mean those argonian ones were unique at least.. and now it's just refined dwemer style.. 200 gems for sword, 350 for dragon ride, 600 for fire toilet, OMG, ZOS is rolling down the hill obviously.

redspecter23

I haven't spent a single penny on crown crates and was able to afford the price tag easily. This game provides many forms of resource exchange that allow you to get things that you might otherwise have no way to acquire. I would never spend hundreds of dollars for that mount, but using in game currency to buy crates works just fine too. Those gems add up over time.

If someone is interested in ways to make loads of in game gold, I'm more than happy to help. Hit me up @redspecter23 on PC/NA.

Jameliel

Scheming companies gonna scheme. The only solution is to not buy crowns or sub. If you do, they will continue the same pattern. Simple math.

Universe

This mount is ugly anyway...

Taunky

All the mounts in this crown crate season look pretty sub par anyways.

zaria

On noes this ones porta-potty is on fire
Yes pricing is insane,

Crixus8000

I also miss free crates, it actually made me not mind spending my crowns on crates because combined I could actually afford things but with no free crates anymore it would take a stupid amount of crowns to get enough crates to actually afford things like this so I don't bother.

Ertosi

Universe wrote: »

This mount is ugly anyway...

It really and truly is! I'm colorblind and I can still see how gawd awful this one looks. That's how bad it is. lol

zaria

Crixus8000 wrote: »

I also miss free crates, it actually made me not mind spending my crowns on crates because combined I could actually afford things but with no free crates anymore it would take a stupid amount of crowns to get enough crates to actually afford things like this so I don't bother.

Still have 250 gems left. And yes that is why they stopped with free crates.

sevomd69

JUST...DON'T...BUY...

Kiralyn2000

Personally, I think that these really-high-gem items are aimed at people who have huge gem balances sitting around (those who got every free crate while they were giving them away, and people who whaled hard on the early rounds of crates), with the main goal being to sink those gems away.

So, not really intended as a "hey, I want that mount and have no gems - I need to spend $200+ to get it!" thing.


Sucks for the person who IS in that position, but oh well. Them's the breaks. /shrug

starkerealm

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

...you'd have to spend at least $250-$300 to guarantee enough gems to guarantee enough exchange value to get this thing.

Not how this works at all.

Realistically, 600 gems will usually set you back around $80-$120, which is still horrifically expensive, but not as horrifically expensive. That said, if your luck is sufficiently horrible, $300 can net you as low as ~500 gems.

While I applaud the idea of saying, "yeah, this is the dollar to gems ratio," truth is, it's gambling, and they payouts can be pretty terrible at times.

Mr_Walker

zaria wrote: »

Crixus8000 wrote: »

I also miss free crates, it actually made me not mind spending my crowns on crates because combined I could actually afford things but with no free crates anymore it would take a stupid amount of crowns to get enough crates to actually afford things like this so I don't bother.

Still have 250 gems left. And yes that is why they stopped with free crates.

I suspect it's actually because people who may have otherwise been tempted to buy crown crates could actually get a taste of the amount of god-awful crap in them.

AlexanderDeLarge

sevomd69 wrote: »

JUST...DON'T...BUY...

Not how this works. They know it's only whales that'll buy this. If they get a hundred whales to spend obscene amounts of money on their crates, it's worth it to them. I'm pretty sure there's more than a hundred whales in a game played by millions (unfortunately).

starkerealm wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

...you'd have to spend at least $250-$300 to guarantee enough gems to guarantee enough exchange value to get this thing.

Not how this works at all.

Realistically, 600 gems will usually set you back around $80-$120, which is still horrifically expensive, but not as horrifically expensive. That said, if your luck is sufficiently horrible, $300 can net you as low as ~500 gems.

While I applaud the idea of saying, "yeah, this is the dollar to gems ratio," truth is, it's gambling, and they payouts can be pretty terrible at times.

Show me a crown crate unboxing video on YouTube where someone gets 600 gems for $80-$120 because I've watched several and even with extreme luck and getting a duplicate APEX they're lucky to get 400 for that much.

luen79rwb17_ESO

If they sell it they must be pretty damn sure that there's plenty of people with that ammount of gems and are not spending them so far.

starkerealm

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

sevomd69 wrote: »

JUST...DON'T...BUY...

Not how this works. They know it's only whales that'll buy this. If they get a hundred whales to spend obscene amounts of money on their crates, it's worth it to them. I'm pretty sure there's more than a hundred whales in a game played by millions (unfortunately).

starkerealm wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

...you'd have to spend at least $250-$300 to guarantee enough gems to guarantee enough exchange value to get this thing.

Not how this works at all.

Realistically, 600 gems will usually set you back around $80-$120, which is still horrifically expensive, but not as horrifically expensive. That said, if your luck is sufficiently horrible, $300 can net you as low as ~500 gems.

While I applaud the idea of saying, "yeah, this is the dollar to gems ratio," truth is, it's gambling, and they payouts can be pretty terrible at times.

Show me a crown crate unboxing video on YouTube where someone gets 600 gems for $80-$120 because I've watched several and even with extreme luck and getting a duplicate APEX they're lucky to get 400 for that much.

I've gotten 400 worth of gems out of $40. But, no, I wasn't streaming at the time.

Now, there is a critical detail about this. The more stuff you have from a given crate season, the faster the gems will stack up. The more things will immediately convert into gems. So, the first 15 crates could easily give you less than 70 gems.

Emmagoldman

Is anyone really after mounts anymore? I must have around 20 at this point. They will just keep resining the same ones over and over and over and over..........

f047ys3v3n

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Is anyone really after mounts anymore? I must have around 20 at this point. They will just keep resining the same ones over and over and over and over..........

Bit of truth in this one. It's getting hard to be excited for any mount you can buy regardless of the cost.

As for whether it costs too much, not sure why people get their panties in a bind for cosmetic items they don't have to buy. Don't be hating on the whales, without them you all would have to be dishing out big sub fees and the game would have maybe 25% the population. Instead, complement the whales on how nice their shiny mount is. It only takes a second to give them the dopamine kick to spend some more.

xF1REFL1x

none of the stuff I wanted in the leaked images were in this... so i'll wait and see

dem0n1k

After you buy an expensive mount & the novelty wears off.... it's a good reminder to not buy expensive novelty mounts. It was for me... i bought crates to get the atro mount & only used it a few times. Since then I stopped buying mounts.

Grimm13

You are correct, people don't talk about cause they are fed up. Talking does no good it seems so stop spend the money.

Androconium

Personally, I'm not buying any more Bethesda products.

In my opinion, they do not represent value for money. They are also not fit for purpose, in the current format.

What you do is entirely your choice, after all, we are not communists.

bharathitman

I don't spend money on crown crates as I don't agree with that model and it hasn't made the game any less fun for me. As with life there will be things which you cannot afford (or don't want to buy) in this game and that's totally fine by me. There is no reason to get jealous just because a mount is 600 gems, if people don't buy then there will not be any 600 gem mounts in the future.

ArchMikem

The Crown Crates actually end up being worth the price. 5k for the 15 crates, i got a ton of consumables, several cosmetics, the Grizzly mount, AND the statue and a xp scroll both worth 33 gems. When everything was exchanged for gems i had 150, more than enough for the Tenmar mount i originally wanted.

Think about it. Exotic mounts are usually 2,000 crowns, maybe 2,200. That, plus another 3,000 for that Grizzly mount and all those cosmetics and junk? Its really not ripping you off when it comes to value alone.

ThanatosXR

The whales keep the the boat afloat. ESO has handled monetization alot better then most games, mmo or not. Keeping the core product value and steady revenue. LOTRO was the last mmo, i played till 2013, WB went nuclear with the store ruining the base game, alota game design systems in LOTRO would be nice to have in ESO like skirmishes and deeds, would flow nice into ESO.

Brrrofski

It honestly doesn't bother me. If people want to spwnd money on it, more power to them, it's their money. I'm never going to bother with them so don't care about them.

Michae

Mr_Walker wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Crixus8000 wrote: »

I also miss free crates, it actually made me not mind spending my crowns on crates because combined I could actually afford things but with no free crates anymore it would take a stupid amount of crowns to get enough crates to actually afford things like this so I don't bother.

Still have 250 gems left. And yes that is why they stopped with free crates.

I suspect it's actually because people who may have otherwise been tempted to buy crown crates could actually get a taste of the amount of god-awful crap in them.

Yeah, I was sitting on 303 gems from free crates and mind you I missed most of the free ones last year due to my hiatus from game. I got two jester emotes for 16 gems a piece and that's all the content I want from those crates.

I love Dwarven spiders but this one isn't really worth it. I have the original brass one and ebony one and I can't ride them both at the same time, so what's the point in getting another one? Also this one just looks like it's uncomfortable to ride, I mean, it's red hot and on fire. They overdid it a bit.