Dragonscale Crate RNG hurts.
Quantact
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I wanted the Solar Horse so badly that I decided to risk it and bought 62 crates.
I not only didn't get the Solar Horse (or any other Radiant) I didn't even win an Apex steed. Best thing I got was a Dwarven staff and the adorable pup pet. The vast majority of the Legendary level stuff I got was experience scrolls and two Namira statues; I traded it all in for Gems.
Dunno if the RNG has changed, but after this, I don't think gambling for a particular Apex+ is feasible or advisable. I'll definitely never try for a Radiant again, (and I won't advise anybody else to) and if I want an Apex steed from a future Crate series, I got enough Crown gems to last me for probably two years.
While I do see what ZOS is doing with the Radiant mounts from a business perspective, I strongly recommend giving SOME way to get them other than gambling where the odds are only realistic for the son or daughter of Warren Buffett. The Radiant mounts are beautiful, but at some point most people will conclude that they're unreachable, if they haven't already. Having your artists slave away for a tier most of the customers have given up on is probably not a good thing.
Edited by Quantact on March 28, 2019 2:29PM I not only didn't get the Solar Horse (or any other Radiant) I didn't even win an Apex steed. Best thing I got was a Dwarven staff and the adorable pup pet. The vast majority of the Legendary level stuff I got was experience scrolls and two Namira statues; I traded it all in for Gems.
Dunno if the RNG has changed, but after this, I don't think gambling for a particular Apex+ is feasible or advisable. I'll definitely never try for a Radiant again, (and I won't advise anybody else to) and if I want an Apex steed from a future Crate series, I got enough Crown gems to last me for probably two years.
While I do see what ZOS is doing with the Radiant mounts from a business perspective, I strongly recommend giving SOME way to get them other than gambling where the odds are only realistic for the son or daughter of Warren Buffett. The Radiant mounts are beautiful, but at some point most people will conclude that they're unreachable, if they haven't already. Having your artists slave away for a tier most of the customers have given up on is probably not a good thing.
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method__01✭✭✭✭✭open 21 boxes and the sum of crown gems i got after convert e-ve-ry-th-ing was a bit over 100 gems,nothing else than poisons
tbh i wasnt expecting anything good after my comments about zos handling the game but whateverEdited by method__01 on March 28, 2019 4:28PMPC EU/NA /// PS4 EU/NA
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Quantact✭✭✭method__01 wrote: »open 21 boxes and the sum of crown gems i got after convert e-ve-ry-th-ing was a bit over 100 gems,nothing else than poisons
tbh i wasnt expecting anything good after my comments about zos handing the game but whatever
Has it always been like that for you, or do you think the RNG for crates has been changed?Edited by Quantact on March 28, 2019 2:40PM0 -
AntonShan✭✭✭✭Same but with Scalecaler Crates. Really wanted that Radiant Apex Senche. Bought probably 50 crates total.1 -
Quantact✭✭✭Same but with Scalecaler Crates. Really wanted that Radiant Apex Senche. Bought probably 50 crates total.
That smarts. x_x Yeah, after this morning the only thing I am charging up lots of crowns for will be for a House I can't pass up. I dearly hope homes never become Apex crown crate rewards.0 -
method__01✭✭✭✭✭method__01 wrote: »open 21 boxes and the sum of crown gems i got after convert e-ve-ry-th-ing was a bit over 100 gems,nothing else than poisons
tbh i wasnt expecting anything good after my comments about zos handing the game but whatever
Has it always been like that for you, or do you think the RNG for crates has been changed? My luck also has been much better in previous crate series than this time around.
last crate season i got a camel and a wolf - i never use
imo there isnt rng involved in crates BUT no1 is forced to buy them to enjoy the gameEdited by method__01 on March 28, 2019 2:43PMPC EU/NA /// PS4 EU/NA
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✭✭✭✭✭but after this, I don't think gambling for a particular Apex+ is feasible or advisable. I'll definitely never try for a Radiant again, (and I won't advise anybody else to).
It has never been feasible or advisibal to get a Crown Crate looking for a specific item.
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Quantact✭✭✭
Well, I admit I misspoke about that a bit because if you get enough crown gems you can buy most things that you didn't outright get in a crate. So, if you want the Barded Guar, you can use your crown gems for it from all the stuff you traded in or get duplicates of. I admit I should have said that off the bat, the reason I didn't was because I opened 62 boxes and didn't get any Apex reward at all, which has never happened to me before.
The exception to the Crate scheme are the Radiant rewards, which can't be bought with gems, and i do think for that reason they should come with a "This is a pipe dream" warning attached.3 -
Mercanis✭✭I'm also a bit worried that I'd just wind up getting the same radiant twice. I hope that isn't possible haha. This is bad for my paycheque but oh well :P0
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MagicalLija✭✭✭✭✭I miss the free crates from dailies lol, i'd rather just take the gems and get those cute puppers8 -
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✭20 boxes, one legendary (bear), 4 epic (3 same dogs and meridian body tattoos). The rest is blue, so, so many repeated blues. Psijic Crates had better RNG compared to that. And the worst compared to Storm Atro, which has given me two apex with little effort.2 -
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SecretJoy✭✭✭It honestly wouldn't surprise me if they've altered the RNG on crate drops, but it would be really disappointing.
I love crates, I buy them every season because I like the stuff. I understand the gamble but it's my money and it's fun so
Having said that, if they're messing with the RNG then that's just not okay.2 -
cheifsoap✭✭✭✭✭About how many crates you all reckon to get 40 crown gems? I'd like to buy my wife the skin but I don't want to buy more crates than needed0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Also, always know the odds before gambling. Always. And do not gamble if you know you have problems with impulse control or have a history of addiction to anything.
Since Zenimax is not legally required to disclose the odds (though it should be) you can find them here:
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Got the Dragon wolf. 100 gems. OH>>> and the hand puppet. Which makes me laugh!XBOX NA
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✭Might buy some with in game gold if I can save up the 500,000 gold before season ends.Main: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade
Leveling...
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
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Passives of another race used. (RP)
*Breton
**Imperial
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Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
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Quantact✭✭✭If you can afford to spend $200+ on that many crates, remember that. You are among the few who CAN afford to throw away that much money on micro-transactions in a video game. Life is treating you well. You have a lot of disposable income. That in of itself is a blessing few people have these days.
While I agree that being able to buy crates in the first place is something not everybody can do, (and I am very lucky in that regard,) I still do have to point out that getting no Apex at all in 62 crates is bizzare and should not be possible. I am not bewailing my fate at getting tons of crown gems; just the payout is vastly different than in previous seasons and was unusually skewed towards high-end decon fodder.
Also, thank you for pointing me to the odds calculator, I'll consult that in the future -- though my enthusiasm for Crown Crates is pretty low right now and I won't be buying any more in a loooooong time. xD
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✭✭Yeah I've had buyers remorse with crown crates before. Had a mad gamble 30 quid worth and got junk. But on the bright side op, least you have more gems now.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If you can afford to spend $200+ on that many crates, remember that. You are among the few who CAN afford to throw away that much money on micro-transactions in a video game. Life is treating you well. You have a lot of disposable income. That in of itself is a blessing few people have these days.
While I agree that being able to buy crates in the first place is something not everybody can do, (and I am very lucky in that regard,) I still do have to point out that getting no Apex at all in 62 crates is bizzare and should not be possible. I am not bewailing my fate at getting tons of crown gems; just the payout is vastly different than in previous seasons and was unusually skewed towards high-end decon fodder.
Also, thank you for pointing me to the odds calculator, I'll consult that in the future -- though my enthusiasm for Crown Crates is pretty low right now and I won't be buying any more in a loooooong time. xD
No problem! Always be aware of the odds. The odds for apex mounts is very, very bad. Never, ever expect to get one... much less exactly which one you want. And radiant apex? Forget it entirely. Also forget getting a specific legendary.
The data logger will be more accurate as it accuse more data, but if you look at past crate seasons, you can get a sense of the odds. For example, one thing you will notice is that rewards are skewed towards consumable XP scrolls in all tiers. It also documents the nix hound fiasco with evidence that the drop rate for that particular item was out of synch with the odds of other items.
It's too bad Zenimax doesn't do gamble crates how some other companies do. In some gamble crates, algorithms are developed that make it impossible to draw duplicates.2 -
Matchimus✭✭✭✭✭15 crates
Got the Dragon wolf. 100 gems. OH>>> and the hand puppet. Which makes me laugh!
Nice. Just a tad envious. The wolf is what I would chase. I would buy 15 crates if I knew it was in them but alas that is not how they work. Realistically I am looking at $200 to $250 to obtain with gems. No.1 -
Lazrael✭✭✭Saw someone on the bearded dragon armor wolf, WANT, go to store, ooooohhhhh crown crates... gave up hope.
Really pretty lame that I can't get in game items I want without high stakes gambling.Artists and Theives...0 -
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No problem! Always be aware of the odds. The odds for apex mounts is very, very bad. Never, ever expect to get one... much less exactly which one you want. And radiant apex? Forget it entirely. Also forget getting a specific legendary.
The data logger will be more accurate as it accuse more data, but if you look at past crate seasons, you can get a sense of the odds. For example, one thing you will notice is that rewards are skewed towards consumable XP scrolls in all tiers. It also documents the nix hound fiasco with evidence that the drop rate for that particular item was out of synch with the odds of other items.
It's too bad Zenimax doesn't do gamble crates how some other companies do. In some gamble crates, algorithms are developed that make it impossible to draw duplicates.
Thanks again for your help!
I do think there may be something different in the odds. I just took a second look at my reward table and realized that aside from the Dwarven Remnant Staff, Karthwolf Charger and Fledgling Vulture Gryphon, I got no permanent (non-decon) Legendaries out of the 62 crates either. So, no Apex and only 3 Legendaries that were not up for decon.
I know this sounds freaky, so if you guys want I can provide screenshots.
I mean, I am just one guy, but if this turns out to be happening to others, it might be a sign that they're changing strategies with the rewards to more radically push high-tier decon stuff, which may be to, in turn, push more crates, or to arrange it so if you want something specific you get more crown gems from the decon stuff to be able to afford it.
Of course, my example in this crate season might just be a freak accident, so it might not matter at all. That crown crate tracker will be able to tell in time, either way.Edited by Quantact on March 28, 2019 10:11PM1 -
Mudcrabber✭✭✭✭Your chance of finding a Radiant Apex in 62 crates is only about 10-11%, if they follow Xanmeer odds.0 -
Quantact✭✭✭Mudcrabber wrote: »Your chance of finding a Radiant Apex in 62 crates is only about 10-11%, if they follow Xanmeer odds.
As I mentioned, I am more weirded out that the said 62 crates yielded no regular Apex and only 3 non-decon Legendaries. I either had unusually bad luck or the RNG is being modified this season.1
I'd say better luck next time, but I suspect that will never be the case.