Let's Play a game. Look at the screen shot and vote on who wins! DEATHMATCH

venzzini

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/212724247431217162/558517096795996201/BG_fury_game.png

ArchMikem

The purple team

Why does purple have so many assists?

Kalik_Gold

Red

Red has 1 more kill...

Shawn_PT

Where is the green team option?

venzzini

The pole should say green, not purple twice. I do not post much but this BG was interesting and my fat fingers hit enter before I could fix it.

JayAstrophel

Red

In terms of just counting up the number of kills per team, orange/red has the most and therefore won if this was truly a deathmatch.
Green has 16, purple has 24, and orange/red has 25, if my math is correct.

venzzini

Riddle me this... The title of the game is deathmatch, one team has 38 deaths another has 25 deaths and one has only 2 deaths. Who wins?

If the team that had 2 deaths had hardly any kills I would say they were tanks and healers and did not win,but that is not the case in this picture.

JayAstrophel

Red

venzzini wrote: »

Riddle me this... The title of the game is deathmatch, one team has 38 deaths another has 25 deaths and one has only 2 deaths. Who wins?

If the team that had 2 deaths had hardly any kills I would say they were tanks and healers and did not win,but that is not the case in this picture.

ESO definition of ‘deathmatch’, from the original battleground announcement -

“Team Deathmatch
Team Deathmatch is perfect for those who don't want to worry too much about mundane things like “objectives" or “teamwork." Find and destroy enemy player characters with each kill granting your team points.”

I like the interesting thinking, but points in death matches are definitely won by getting kills on other players and not by dying yourself! If it were the other way around I’d do a lot better in battlegrounds XD

That team with only two deaths between them is indeed very impressive, though.

ArchMikem

The purple team

JayAstrophel wrote: »

In terms of just counting up the number of kills per team, orange/red has the most and therefore won if this was truly a deathmatch.
Green has 16, purple has 24, and orange/red has 25, if my math is correct.

I still don't fully understand what Deathmatch counts. Killing blows only? Cause I'm still wondering how Purple has so many assists.

JayAstrophel

Red

ArchMikem wrote: »

JayAstrophel wrote: »

In terms of just counting up the number of kills per team, orange/red has the most and therefore won if this was truly a deathmatch.
Green has 16, purple has 24, and orange/red has 25, if my math is correct.

I still don't fully understand what Deathmatch counts. Killing blows only? Cause I'm still wondering how Purple has so many assists.

Yeah, it’s killing blows only. So someone on a different team can ‘steal’ a kill by getting in last blow and the assist will give no points

venzzini

Hmmm... another interesting fact. The purple team had the most medals to get that many the damage and heals have to be very good.

JayAstrophel

Red

venzzini wrote: »

Hmmm... another interesting fact. The purple team had the most medals to get that many the damage and heals have to be very good.

Curious to see where you’re going with this, friend! I’ll admit I’m not sure, but I’ve said my piece and I’ll be sticking around to see how this ends up.

venzzini

So.. I do know that the purple team had over 5 million combined dmg and 2 million combined healing. Here is the link to which team won.

But, the true answer is really not about the better team winning, it is about what single skill in the game won the deathmatch.

JayAstrophel

Red

Killing blows win deathmatches, it’s how it works. Definitely cool that the other team had such good defense and did so much damage, but it seems like they weren’t able to get the killing blows needed. Still an impressive game! I could see purple doing incredibly well in something like chaos ball or crazy king, with their good team work.

Linaleah

Red

is this a veiled "nerf insert skill here" thread?

sometimes you get lucky. I have a feeling that skill that won the game was a lucky kill steal and not necessarily a skill that is a problem. just... luck for it being the killing blow.

venzzini

I would agree, some times I get lucky with a killing blow on an opponent that the other team did most the damage on and I feel grateful and happy. That being said, that's just what it was, luck

I am not asking for nerfs. I think though we can almost all agree that deathmatch is the most popular of the BG games. With the way they calculate points for death match it gives a huge advantage to the Magsorc Execute which can be used to steal kills extremely efficiently and how it works in conjunction with low health targets compared to other executes in the game.

Again, this isn't a nerf thread. I have just never been part of a match this lopsided and still lost due to the extremely effective kill stealing of a single ability. That is not luck, that is an unbalanced mechanic for the Deathmatch.

The skill mages fury is fine. Its more the way deathmatch calculates points that is the true problem. I am fine leaving the skill alone, but one class mechanic should not have that much of an advantage.

Take any other game style.. and a magsorc could become heals, Tank, speedy, rolly polly etc. to compete just fine along with the other classes who do the same for those matches. But a DD anything else with executes, cannot compete with the execute of a magsorc for the final killing blow.

Linaleah

Red

umm... you are probably going to hate me know... but probably at least half my killing blows come from lucky light attacks. not exaggerating. there are plenty of quick executes with damage buff component at low health in this game. you just happened to be unlucky enough to go up against a sorc in this particular match.

is there a problem as to how deathmatch wins are calculated? possibly? i mean, I personaly prefer objective based battlegrounds, becasue there - its a bit more about strategy and a lot less about who can burst down people the fastest. but making a "nerf sorc!" thread is not the way to fix it, IMO

venzzini

There were two sorcs. one on green one on red, I bet you can guess which ones? Anyways, I beleive I said I wasnt asking for a nerf but a change to how deathmatch calculates points.

The skill is fine just has a bit of an advantage in one aspect of BG pvp.

Although I would probably be calling for nerfs, if Cyodiil killing blows gave my alliance huge points towards a campaign win. Or if while grouped only the person who got the killing blow would get the loot and experience?? I bet there would be more than me calling for it also. Or maybe they would just be calling for a change to how gear and experience was gained? Something to think about.

Beardimus

venzzini wrote: »

So.. I do know that the purple team had over 5 million combined dmg and 2 million combined healing. Here is the link to which team won.

But, the true answer is really not about the better team winning, it is about what single skill in the game won the deathmatch.

You are actually incorrect,the better team is the team that won. The team that followed the scoring rules of the game type, and execute is king.

You might not like that, but....

Corpier

Purple

Looks like Purple team played with only 3 people against 2 other teams of 4. My guess is the last player with only 1 assist on the board came in late, that or it was a tank or healer. Though their loss might have come from them being tanks without the dmg to finish enemies off judging by the number of assists and lack of deaths. Either way, their average player KDA is far better than the other teams. They probably should have won if things were fair, but BGs are a mixed bag. You win some and you lose some and a lot of those are due to matchmaking rng.

Linaleah

Red

venzzini wrote: »

There were two sorcs. one on green one on red, I bet you can guess which ones? Anyways, I beleive I said I wasnt asking for a nerf but a change to how deathmatch calculates points.

The skill is fine just has a bit of an advantage in one aspect of BG pvp.

Although I would probably be calling for nerfs, if Cyodiil killing blows gave my alliance huge points towards a campaign win. Or if while grouped only the person who got the killing blow would get the loot and experience?? I bet there would be more than me calling for it also. Or maybe they would just be calling for a change to how gear and experience was gained? Something to think about.

funny until I reread your reply, my mind kept telling me one in red, one in purple. since those were the teams with outliers when it came to killing blows. so... if purple team didn't have a sorc, what exactly allowed the player right bellow you to get so many more killing blows than everyone else? could it be..... that its not a sorc execute that is such a bit problem with it comes to killing blows? but rather the whole killing blow conundrum in a first place?

I don't like the concept of killing blows counting for all of the score. its like worse version of electoral college. another person can do all the damage, with someone else coming in at the last moment, stealing the kill and it BURNS. I had it happen to me on both receiving end and beneficiary of it. and it sucks especially when its the other team, so you don't even get an assist out of it. but i STILL don't think there is anything wrong with particular sorc execute as it doesn't give you any more advantage than just getting a lucky break with heck, ANYTHING. like I said, for me it was light attacks.

now. since we are talking of possible ways to fix it. maybe... maybe who gets the kill counted should NOT be counted on a basis of who landed the last shot, but rather who dealt the most damage to the target.

Waffennacht

Red

Well you certainly don't see that everyday

venzzini

Maybe a solution to this would be an arena style. Last team standing. So, up to 4 rounds. First team with two wins ends the BG. After so much time the team with the most alive win the round. And after so much time a sigil spawns or a mechanic allows for detection so a team of 4 can’t just hide the whole match. Not sure if that would be the best solution but it’s something different.

TheShadowScout

venzzini wrote: »

Let's Play a game.

venzzini

Linaleah wrote: »

venzzini wrote: »

There were two sorcs. one on green one on red, I bet you can guess which ones? Anyways, I beleive I said I wasnt asking for a nerf but a change to how deathmatch calculates points.

The skill is fine just has a bit of an advantage in one aspect of BG pvp.

Although I would probably be calling for nerfs, if Cyodiil killing blows gave my alliance huge points towards a campaign win. Or if while grouped only the person who got the killing blow would get the loot and experience?? I bet there would be more than me calling for it also. Or maybe they would just be calling for a change to how gear and experience was gained? Something to think about.

funny until I reread your reply, my mind kept telling me one in red, one in purple. since those were the teams with outliers when it came to killing blows. so... if purple team didn't have a sorc, what exactly allowed the player right bellow you to get so many more killing blows than everyone else? could it be..... that its not a sorc execute that is such a bit problem with it comes to killing blows? but rather the whole killing blow conundrum in a first place?

I don't like the concept of killing blows counting for all of the score. its like worse version of electoral college. another person can do all the damage, with someone else coming in at the last moment, stealing the kill and it BURNS. I had it happen to me on both receiving end and beneficiary of it. and it sucks especially when its the other team, so you don't even get an assist out of it. but i STILL don't think there is anything wrong with particular sorc execute as it doesn't give you any more advantage than just getting a lucky break with heck, ANYTHING. like I said, for me it was light attacks.

now. since we are talking of possible ways to fix it. maybe... maybe who gets the kill counted should NOT be counted on a basis of who landed the last shot, but rather who dealt the most damage to the target.

Are you talking about the one who go 10 killing blows? I understand your point, just that your missing a big factor here. The reason purple got killing blows is because they didn't die and were able to get single targets and stay on remaining players. Keep in mind that the player with the most killing blows died 9 times (Sorc). When you die you loose precious time to get in and get killing blows.

Seconds for respawn and time to get back into the fight.

I know for a fact, at that MMR there is no way I would be able to steal 11 kills with light attacks or even an execute like Jesus beam, reverse slice or impale if I died 9 times. Maybe if I spawned and jumped down on two groups of enemies fighting at my spawn and they all very low health and resources, I could do it with spin to win.....well as long as fury wasn't already on most the targets. LOL

Linaleah

Red

venzzini wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

venzzini wrote: »

There were two sorcs. one on green one on red, I bet you can guess which ones? Anyways, I beleive I said I wasnt asking for a nerf but a change to how deathmatch calculates points.

The skill is fine just has a bit of an advantage in one aspect of BG pvp.

Although I would probably be calling for nerfs, if Cyodiil killing blows gave my alliance huge points towards a campaign win. Or if while grouped only the person who got the killing blow would get the loot and experience?? I bet there would be more than me calling for it also. Or maybe they would just be calling for a change to how gear and experience was gained? Something to think about.

funny until I reread your reply, my mind kept telling me one in red, one in purple. since those were the teams with outliers when it came to killing blows. so... if purple team didn't have a sorc, what exactly allowed the player right bellow you to get so many more killing blows than everyone else? could it be..... that its not a sorc execute that is such a bit problem with it comes to killing blows? but rather the whole killing blow conundrum in a first place?

I don't like the concept of killing blows counting for all of the score. its like worse version of electoral college. another person can do all the damage, with someone else coming in at the last moment, stealing the kill and it BURNS. I had it happen to me on both receiving end and beneficiary of it. and it sucks especially when its the other team, so you don't even get an assist out of it. but i STILL don't think there is anything wrong with particular sorc execute as it doesn't give you any more advantage than just getting a lucky break with heck, ANYTHING. like I said, for me it was light attacks.

now. since we are talking of possible ways to fix it. maybe... maybe who gets the kill counted should NOT be counted on a basis of who landed the last shot, but rather who dealt the most damage to the target.

Are you talking about the one who go 10 killing blows? I understand your point, just that your missing a big factor here. The reason purple got killing blows is because they didn't die and were able to get single targets and stay on remaining players. Keep in mind that the player with the most killing blows died 9 times (Sorc). When you die you loose precious time to get in and get killing blows.

Seconds for respawn and time to get back into the fight.

I know for a fact, at that MMR there is no way I would be able to steal 11 kills with light attacks or even an execute like Jesus beam, reverse slice or impale. Maybe if I spawned and jumped down on two groups of enemies fighting at my spawn and they all very low health and resources, I could do it with spin to win.....well as long as fury wasn't already on most the targets. LOL

I keep thinking about that nightblade execute that is instant and hits harder when target is bellow 25%. and that's just off the top of my head. and my kill to death ratio is worse than that sorc. and I've had that many kills with that same sort of team split. on a bow/bow very terrible nightblade.

again. this is NOT a sorc execute issue or even ranged execute issue. you have GOT to spot focusing on it being a sorc this is a "another person could bring down a target to less then 5% health and one lucky shot steals the kill from them and wins the match" issue. which is why I suggested that kills count for those who dealt the most damage, vs the last shot.

venzzini

I like the most damage Idea, but how would it work with heals involved? Would a damage counter reset every 10 seconds? If I do 80k dmg to target, they get healed full then line of sight only to be killed later by a guy who does 50k dmg, but I truly wasn't around to help damage that player at that time, would I get the kill and points? Seems like there would be some unbalances there also, if things were not thought out properly.

Maybe once health is full damage counter resets?

I like the Idea but not sure how the would make it work.

ArchMikem

The purple team

venzzini wrote: »

So.. I do know that the purple team had over 5 million combined dmg and 2 million combined healing. Here is the link to which team won.

But, the true answer is really not about the better team winning, it is about what single skill in the game won the deathmatch.

Well, I mean the gamemode was Deathmatch. Win the match by defeating the most amount of players first. Red had 25, Purple had 24, Red wins. Purple can do more damage, get more assists, and win in the points department, but those weren't the victory conditions. Number of defeated players was. It's the same thing over in Capture the Relic or Crazy King. Everyone can brawl it out as much as they want, racking up damage done and players defeated, but the only way to win is to play the objective.

XxCaLxX

IMO purple team did a lot of standing back while the other two went at it. Only a few deaths, hella lot assists and no team hit 500. Tryna get spectator kills.

venzzini

XxCaLxX wrote: »

IMO purple team did a lot of standing back while the other two went at it. Only a few deaths, hella lot assists and no team hit 500. Tryna get spectator kills.

Complete oposite of this assumption. The match went more like teams running from the purple.