Best Beasty Stamina Race

JediCody

Hi all. I like to play beasties for RP purposes. I mean I like animal-ish characters, like Argonian, Khajit, and so on.

My past is three plus years on Xbox with my BAE. We just switched to PC NA.

I'm presently an Argonian Nightblade that had the intentions to Tank in endgame stuff. Now I'm switching to DPS main as my bud is maining Tank so I'll complement him with dope deeps in Dungeons. As I've yet to have any experience with endgame DPS/parsing since the new patch due to my recent move to PC, here is my question:

Will someone please give me a rundown of how the beasties are performing DPS wise?

Which has best sustain? Best overall damage? And so on. Please give me your comments as you'd like, such as is the sustain vs. damage more helpful or not. Is the change to Crit Damage from Crit Chance a game changer for Khajit's as it relates to a Nightblade's kit?

Thank you so much for reading. Thank you even more for your response.

P.S. I consider beasties Argonian, Khajit, Orc, and Bosmer.

JediCody

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Corpier

Orc has the best damage for stamina at present. Orc stamblade parses higher than anything else right now. None of the others are as good IF you can sustain. If you can't sustain, then bosmer or khajiit will be better for you. Khajiit's crit will tend to put out more dps than bosmer, still less than orc, but bosmer will have more consistent damage since it relies less on rng and has the 2nd best sustain to redguard. Argonian has good sustain, but its practically gimping a stamina build to choose it over the other three.

To be honest they are all viable. If you are concerned with the meta best-in-slot go with orc. If you are only concerned with dungeons and not veteran trials you likely will not notice a difference between them unless you are hitting above 45k+ self buffed. Just play which ever you prefer.

Vapirko

For DPS beast race it’ll be Khajit hands down. Argonians are the worst for that.

Edit: didn’t read the bottom where you mentioned orc which is currently BiS but Khajit is still fine if prefer a tail lol.

JediCody

Thank you both for your insights. I'm leaning towards Bosmer for the active Recovery.

HappyLittleTree

Orsimer I get because they are considered "both beastfolk and goblin-ken" even tho they are somewhat elven hence the Orsi-MER

But Bosmer? They are Elven aren't they?

Alucardo

Yeah, Bosmer isn't a bad choice if you're wanting sustain and damage out of the races you've chosen. Obviously Argonian has sustain via the potion passive, but Bosmer's is active all the time, and they get the bonus to damage with 2k stam and extra penetration after dodge rolling.

Edit: The best beastly race (IMHO) is Orc however. But that's just because I open world PvP and enjoy the sprint cost reduction, movement speed and extra damage.

Ragnarock41

The answer is always Orc.

JediCody

HappyLittleTree wrote: »

Orsimer I get because they are considered "both beastfolk and goblin-ken" even tho they are somewhat elven hence the Orsi-MER

But Bosmer? They are Elven aren't they?

Yea on the Elf bit but Bosmer seem darker and more beasty as they have dark eyes and are Forest people. They give me a creepy vibe and beasty vibe.

Thank you to everyone who has responded I'm still debating.

Cundu_Ertur

Lore wise it's questionable if the Bosmer are actually mer or not. Bosmer creation myths say that men, mer, and beasts were shifting form constantly until Yffre gave the Bosmer the elven forms they have now. Khajiit myth says the same, and adds that Khajiit and Bosmer were 'no longer littermates' after Yffre did that (Khajiit followed Azura instead of Yffre).

Don't select Bosmer if you are expecting the 'stealthy archer' archetype from all of the previous games or the past 5 years, though. For reasons that transcend normal human understanding all of the lore around Bosmer has been rejected, ignored, and defiled by the current crop of devs. Orc, Dunmer, Redguard, and Imperial are better archers; Khajiit and Imperial better in stealth -- Khajiit are the only stealthy race at all now.

JediCody

Thank you for you in depth response about Bosmer.

JonnAndCo

Several things came to mind while reading this thread:

1) You mentioned Bosmer since they were dark complected and can have black eyes. Have you considered Dunmer? They are dark skinned and can have reddish eyes. They are also top Stamina performers.

2) One of the customization options for Bosmer is to have antlers sprouting out of their foreheads - presumably a throwback to a more bestial form or perhaps a lingering effect of the "Wild Hunt", which the Bosmer can trigger in times of dire need to collectively transform into beasts and drive invaders from their territory.

3) Any race could be a beast if you choose to be bitten and tranform into a werewolf.

Tasear

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Lore wise it's questionable if the Bosmer are actually mer or not. Bosmer creation myths say that men, mer, and beasts were shifting form constantly until Yffre gave the Bosmer the elven forms they have now. Khajiit myth says the same, and adds that Khajiit and Bosmer were 'no longer littermates' after Yffre did that (Khajiit followed Azura instead of Yffre).

Don't select Bosmer if you are expecting the 'stealthy archer' archetype from all of the previous games or the past 5 years, though. For reasons that transcend normal human understanding all of the lore around Bosmer has been rejected, ignored, and defiled by the current crop of devs. Orc, Dunmer, Redguard, and Imperial are better archers; Khajiit and Imperial better in stealth -- Khajiit are the only stealthy race at all now.

♥️ One day bosmer friend

JediCody

JonnAndCo wrote: »

Several things came to mind while reading this thread:

1) You mentioned Bosmer since they were dark complected and can have black eyes. Have you considered Dunmer? They are dark skinned and can have reddish eyes. They are also top Stamina performers.

2) One of the customization options for Bosmer is to have antlers sprouting out of their foreheads - presumably a throwback to a more bestial form or perhaps a lingering effect of the "Wild Hunt", which the Bosmer can trigger in times of dire need to collectively transform into beasts and drive invaders from their territory.

3) Any race could be a beast if you choose to be bitten and tranform into a werewolf.

Good point about Werewolf form and its' applicability to RP as a beasty as any race...

Thank you for your response. I'm now considering Khajit (for the free Crit Damage as I have already high Crit Chance from my Nightblade Passives). Part of me doesn't want to change my Argonian. I just fear I'll suffer in sustain from lack of Stam bonus to max stats and Recovery.

Thoughts on if the Argonian's Potion Passive is helpful for Stam DPS sustain?

JonnAndCo

When it comes to specifics, I rely on the work of Theory Crafters. If you havnt seen it already, check out this thread, which goes into some detail concerning Argonians and every other race.

JediCody

JonnAndCo wrote: »

When it comes to specifics, I rely on the work of Theory Crafters. If you havnt seen it already, check out this thread, which goes into some detail concerning Argonians and every other race.

Read it, and holy crap, Argonian is the worst Stam DPS Race.

Tommy_The_Gun

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JonnAndCo wrote: »

When it comes to specifics, I rely on the work of Theory Crafters. If you havnt seen it already, check out this thread, which goes into some detail concerning Argonians and every other race.

Read it, and holy crap, Argonian is the worst Stam DPS Race.

Not only stam, but also worst mag dps
amongst all mag races.

Argonians are also 4th or 5th race for healer (outpreformed by almost all mag races) and 4th or 5th race for tank role (again, outpreformed by other races). Tbh the only use they seem to have currently is RP. Idk other reson one would pick them. Maybe for some niche build utilizing potion passive. LOL, zeni kinda wrecked them in racial rebalance... *sorry for off-topic*.

JediCody wrote: »

Thoughts on if the Argonian's Potion Passive is helpful for Stam DPS sustain?

Potion passive is overrated in general. It may look good on paper, but it wont help you much, simply because on a stamina build you will only get 4K stam every 45 sec. So you will only utilize 33% of its potential and 66% if you wont be at full health.

The only way to fully use this passive is to go hybrid and use 2 resources pools (mag & stam). Although it is much more difficult to manage 2 resources pools instead of one and your DPS will be lower (so it is currently not worth it), you will almost always restore both mag & stam (so you will be utilizing 66% of this passive almost always) and occasionally 100% if you will be missing some health.

JediCody

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JediCody wrote: »

JonnAndCo wrote: »

When it comes to specifics, I rely on the work of Theory Crafters. If you havnt seen it already, check out this thread, which goes into some detail concerning Argonians and every other race.

Read it, and holy crap, Argonian is the worst Stam DPS Race.

Not only stam, but also worst mag dps
amongst all mag races.

Argonians are also 4th or 5th race for healer (outpreformed by almost all mag races) and 4th or 5th race for tank role (again, outpreformed by other races). Tbh the only use they seem to have currently is RP. Idk other reson one would pick them. Maybe for some niche build utilizing potion passive. LOL, zeni kinda wrecked them in racial rebalance... *sorry for off-topic*.

No, thank you for your feedback. The main reason I chose Argonian was due to RP purposes, and, I'm going to just stick with it. I love my Argonian. Also, it will be nice doing great deeps on my Stamblade without the BiS or top Races. I take pride in that kind of thing.

Thanks to all who participated in my thread. Despite my back and forth, I am an Argonian Nightblade. I can't identify as anything else.

Xvorg

HappyLittleTree wrote: »

Orsimer I get because they are considered "both beastfolk and goblin-ken" even tho they are somewhat elven hence the Orsi-MER

But Bosmer? They are Elven aren't they?

Orsimer are Altmers with daedric poop

Xvorg

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Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

JediCody wrote: »

JonnAndCo wrote: »

When it comes to specifics, I rely on the work of Theory Crafters. If you havnt seen it already, check out this thread, which goes into some detail concerning Argonians and every other race.

Read it, and holy crap, Argonian is the worst Stam DPS Race.

Not only stam, but also worst mag dps
amongst all mag races.

Argonians are also 4th or 5th race for healer (outpreformed by almost all mag races) and 4th or 5th race for tank role (again, outpreformed by other races). Tbh the only use they seem to have currently is RP. Idk other reson one would pick them. Maybe for some niche build utilizing potion passive. LOL, zeni kinda wrecked them in racial rebalance... *sorry for off-topic*.

No, thank you for your feedback. The main reason I chose Argonian was due to RP purposes, and, I'm going to just stick with it. I love my Argonian. Also, it will be nice doing great deeps on my Stamblade without the BiS or top Races. I take pride in that kind of thing.

Thanks to all who participated in my thread. Despite my back and forth, I am an Argonian Nightblade. I can't identify as anything else.

Argonians are not good in PvE... but in PvP they're still a solid choice. You will need some potion speed glyphs and tripots though.

Koronach

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JediCody wrote: »

JonnAndCo wrote: »

When it comes to specifics, I rely on the work of Theory Crafters. If you havnt seen it already, check out this thread, which goes into some detail concerning Argonians and every other race.

Read it, and holy crap, Argonian is the worst Stam DPS Race.

Not only stam, but also worst mag dps
amongst all mag races.

Argonians are also 4th or 5th race for healer (outpreformed by almost all mag races) and 4th or 5th race for tank role (again, outpreformed by other races). Tbh the only use they seem to have currently is RP. Idk other reson one would pick them. Maybe for some niche build utilizing potion passive. LOL, zeni kinda wrecked them in racial rebalance... *sorry for off-topic*.

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JediCody wrote: »

Thoughts on if the Argonian's Potion Passive is helpful for Stam DPS sustain?

Potion passive is overrated in general. It may look good on paper, but it wont help you much, simply because on a stamina build you will only get 4K stam every 45 sec. So you will only utilize 33% of its potential and 66% if you wont be at full health.

The only way to fully use this passive is to go hybrid and use 2 resources pools (mag & stam). Although it is much more difficult to manage 2 resources pools instead of one and your DPS will be lower (so it is currently not worth it), you will almost always restore both mag & stam (so you will be utilizing 66% of this passive almost always) and occasionally 100% if you will be missing some health.

Speaking of RP I love how they nerfed even that for us by removing poison resistance. Gotta love when books and npcs state something and it isn't true because ZoS removed it for no good reason.

Kulvar

Xvorg wrote: »

Argonians are not good in PvE... but in PvP they're still a solid choice. You will need some potion speed glyphs and tripots though.

Whoever think using potion speed glyphs is a good idea has not done the maths.
The sustain glyphs are much more valuable than whatever sustain you get from lowered potion cooldown even on Argonian.

Ragnarock41

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Xvorg wrote: »

Argonians are not good in PvE... but in PvP they're still a solid choice. You will need some potion speed glyphs and tripots though.

Whoever think using potion speed glyphs is a good idea has not done the maths.
The sustain glyphs are much more valuable than whatever sustain you get from lowered potion cooldown even on Argonian.

Its actually pretty good with clever alchemist. Just requires a lot of potions.

Koronach

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Kulvar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Argonians are not good in PvE... but in PvP they're still a solid choice. You will need some potion speed glyphs and tripots though.

Whoever think using potion speed glyphs is a good idea has not done the maths.
The sustain glyphs are much more valuable than whatever sustain you get from lowered potion cooldown even on Argonian.

Its actually pretty good with clever alchemist. Just requires a lot of potions.

They really messed up with that passive. No race passive should require tons of farming or gold at least imo.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Never thought of Bosmer as a beast race. Orc is meta for stam DPS. Khajiit is competitive for both magic and stamina DPS. Argnonian technically has some magic passives, but its barely above the bottom for magic DPS. Bosmer will out sustain Orc or Khajiit, but wont beat either for stam DPS.

(only talking beast races you mentioned)
For Stamina: Orc>Khajiit>Bosmer>>>Argonian
For Magic: Khajiit>>Argonian>>>Orc=Bosmer.

If we are calling elves beast races, Dunmer is near the top for both. If you really have no idea which way you are leaning, or want to play both magic and stam on the same toon (never at the same time), pretty tough to beat a dunmer. Khajiit is also a very solid hybrid race for going back and forth. Khajiit is also one of those classes that really shines in a really good raid, but if your group is newer and isnt running every possible crit modifier, they lose a little bit of their appeal.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Oops. Double post.

Ragnarock41

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Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Kulvar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Argonians are not good in PvE... but in PvP they're still a solid choice. You will need some potion speed glyphs and tripots though.

Whoever think using potion speed glyphs is a good idea has not done the maths.
The sustain glyphs are much more valuable than whatever sustain you get from lowered potion cooldown even on Argonian.

Its actually pretty good with clever alchemist. Just requires a lot of potions.

They really messed up with that passive. No race passive should require tons of farming or gold at least imo.

I believe as far as PvP goes argonian is fine. They're really really tanky with good sustain. as for potions go I use them on any build and I use them on cooldown so it wouldn't change much for me. But I can understand your frustration. Potions do cost a lot.

BadShogun

Orc is best for stamina DPS, you will just have to master sustain.

For the best 'beasty' combination - go Orc, get the Sable Man Beast skin from Moon Hunter Keep and the Beast Man personality from March of Sacrifices

JediCody

BadShogun wrote: »

Orc is best for stamina DPS, you will just have to master sustain.

For the best 'beasty' combination - go Orc, get the Sable Man Beast skin from Moon Hunter Keep and the Beast Man personality from March of Sacrifices

I have the Sable Man Beast skin on my Xbox DPS Stamplar but I'm new to PC unfortunately (CP81 after half a week!) and won't be able to earn that for a while.

I do think I will pull respectable numbers on my Agronian though. I'm starting with Hunding's/Briarheart's/Kra'gh's. First parsing tests commence at CP160 and I'll report back my numbers after a few hours of tinkering. Already got all of my gear, minus the Helm and Shoulder ofcourse.

Anyron

Argonians are worst for both magicka dps and stamina dps so if you wanna go as good dps you should take other races

I play argonian mag dps but thats because i like argonians.