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HalvarIronfist

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pod88kk

A lot of bg players are just in it for the XP boost unfortunately

DaveMoeDee

I only do it for the XP, but I only do it on < 50 characters after their daily dungeon.

If I saw the OP sitting in a chair, I would just leave and switch to another character to do a different activity. Who wants to be around a person like that?

Really, dungeons and BGs should just ditch the daily rewards and leave the content to people who want it. And that way, people would just queue for dungeons they want to clear. I imagine the reason they want people doing random dungeons is to fill in the groups of people who queue for a dungeon no one else is queuing for, so there are pros and cons.

Judas Helviaryn

When people criticize my playstyle, I tend to just play my way anyways. I may tell them to shove off, I may just laugh at them, but I never let them affect how I contribute to the game.

Control freaks are everywhere, they tend to forget we all bought our games too.

EDIT: And by criticize, I don't mean constructive or helpful perspective. I mean flat out "FOLLOW CROWN" "GROUP UP" "DON'T CHASE" "REVIVE ME" etc, etc. Inert your choice insult in every single one of those. Nobody likes hearing that from strangers.

HalvarIronfist

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

I only do it for the XP, but I only do it on < 50 characters after their daily dungeon.

If I saw the OP sitting in a chair, I would just leave and switch to another character to do a different activity. Who wants to be around a person like that?

Really, dungeons and BGs should just ditch the daily rewards and leave the content to people who want it. And that way, people would just queue for dungeons they want to clear. I imagine the reason they want people doing random dungeons is to fill in the groups of people who queue for a dungeon no one else is queuing for, so there are pros and cons.

I have leveled new characters up through bgs and randoms too. But I try not to be completely useless in a BG, after all. You do need to win to get the purple reward. Well. Consider being in there with someone who enjoys the bg content, and is in the process of their random xp, their quest dailies, and they can't get a team competent enough to win more than 3 games in 3 hours.

I did finally finish the quest for 3 wins, whilst also finding an actually toxic player from the other night that immediately messaged me to talk trash after he was ganked. Sweet little last victory. But for players who enjoy pvp content, can only be mixed with players who're just doing it for free XP, and aren't even trying. Then it gets frustrating.

HalvarIronfist

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

When people criticize my playstyle, I tend to just play my way anyways. I may tell them to shove off, I may just laugh at them, but I never let them affect how I contribute to the game.

Control freaks are everywhere, they tend to forget we all bought our games too.

Indeed. Tell your resident StamNB to defend a relic instead of go to capture one. Let the StamDk Tank player go capture. Then watch as he dies repeatedly.

That is what happened, then I proceeded to run over, cloak as they left, took the relic, and ran straight back and scored without a soul bothering me.

ArchMikem

"Why arent you as good as me? Why do you have problems i dont? God you're useless!"

Pretty much that yeah? The point that matters is that they still try. OP on the other hand just lounging in the spawn then insulting the team when questioned really is toxic behavior in a team based game. Yeah bud there are players that dont or cant perform like you, always will be.

Taleof2Cities

I’m not sure how to distinguish this thread from all the other dungeon finder forum complaint threads for PvE.

If you have specific requirements from your teammates in group content, don’t use the dungeon finder. Same for battlegrounds.

Find a pre-made group instead with friends or guildies.

HalvarIronfist

ArchMikem wrote: »

"Why arent you as good as me? Why do you have problems i dont? God you're useless!"

Pretty much that yeah? The point that matters is that they still try. OP on the other hand just lounging in the spawn then insulting the team when questioned really is toxic behavior in a team based game. Yeah bud there are players that dont or cant perform like you, always will be.

While I will say I carry games, I don't claim to be a good PVPer; Running a gank build isn't hard to do.

Nobody has to perform like me, but i do expect others to pull their own weight in a "team" environment. As it's said. "There's no I in team", so with that in mind, why do I have to do everything, and have the team still fail. I'm not suggesting that everyone has to be a god, but if you're not even going to play the objective in such modes, what's the point?

HalvarIronfist

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I’m not sure how to distinguish this thread from all the other dungeon finder forum complaint threads for PvE.

If you have specific requirements from your teammates in group content, don’t use the dungeon finder. Same for battlegrounds.

Find a pre-made group instead with friends or guildies.

I don't have any real 'requirements'. I just take into consideration that in a team effort, my team might... I don't know, work together? As aforementioned, I play a bit more of a solo role in the team, but I do it in unison with my team's efforts. They capture an relic? I'll slow down/kill any players following them to allow my teammate to escape. If this worked both ways,I wouldn't need to complain. There's nothing wrong with not being good at PVP, but not trying to play objectives/ETC, daresay even maybe "throwing" the game isn't fun.

Raammzzaa

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I’m not sure how to distinguish this thread from all the other dungeon finder forum complaint threads for PvE.

If you have specific requirements from your teammates in group content, don’t use the dungeon finder. Same for battlegrounds.

Find a pre-made group instead with friends or guildies.

Yes, as I read the op’s post and replies, I was thinking “ toxic PvPer”? ... Nope, he said sounds like just a toxic person, in general. He goes into a random group finder activity, gets upset with the performance of his random team, acts toxic in game, and proceeds to QQ about in on the forum. Really his post had nothing to do with PvP, it was just backdrop that could have easily been a dungeon, or whatever.

Zacuel

I've ran bg's where people were being toxic towards me for not doing anything....

Pointing out that I had a higher score just made it worse.

No I'm not a sniper or a sorc either.

Pvp is toxic whether you are carrying randoms or being carried.

The best thing someone can do is rise above it instead of giving into it.

So congrats, you're officially part of the problem now.

Sy1ph5

Have you stopped to consider two things: that the stamNB playstyle naturally lends itself to high KB low death games due to the burst and stealth nature of the sNB, and that your being stealth and away from your team prevents you from supporting them and leaves them to fight outnumbered.

In short being there for your team is way more important than your own kd ratio. Give up on the KD if you're looking to win.

HalvarIronfist

Zacuel wrote: »

I've ran bg's where people were being toxic towards me for not doing anything....

Pointing out that I had a higher score just made it worse.

No I'm not a sniper or a sorc either.

Pvp is toxic whether you are carrying randoms or being carried.

The best thing someone can do is rise above it instead of giving into it.

So congrats, you're officially part of the problem now.

I prefer not to act toxic normally, but the frustrations of hours of the same premade teams crushing my random teams who didn't seem to function whatsoever didn't help. I agree that PVP in nature is toxic, but in all. It's not too bad. The toxicity I mentioned doing is pretty docile in terms of things I've seen before, whether in ESO, other MMOs, or other games.

VaranisArano

So the answer to supposedly useless teammates is to deliberately be useless yourself?

Hmmm, I should try this strategy out in Group Dungeons!

As a healer, I should just refuse to heal/buff anyone but myself when the DPS is low or I get a fake tank. And if someone dies, sorry, "Can't heal stupid! DPS faster!"

As a tank, I should make life easier on the low DPS by kiting the boss away from constantly. Or, better yet, I can quit taunting and let them get a taste of what its like to have boss aggro while their teammates do low DPS.

As a DPS, I should fold my weapons, stand back, and let everyone appreciate how pathetic the group DPS is without me.

Oh. Wait. My group members can kick me in a dungeon. NVM, guess I won't do that.

(In case it wasn't obvious, don't be that guy. If you want guaranteed good teammates, play with a premade group instead of randomly queuing for BGs.)

ccfeeling

Just take a break , don't do such thing to your team .

Iki

Have you considered rerolling something else than nightblade? Maybe you should. Then you could see how easy it is to get awesome k/d ratio and capture relics without cloak.
Perhaps you could then also get chance to experience how it`s like when you got one or two nightblades in your team and then you and other visible player/s get full pressure from 4 opponents, and while you get rekt nightblade/s of your team cloak away when shiet is about to hit the fan.
Imagine if that nightblade then also trash talked you about your poor performance, lack of kills and how hes carrying team...

Yes, HalvarIronfist, I really think you should try some other class than nightblade in bgs and build yourself to group-play instead of ganking. That might also help you team to perform better against those premades.

Ackwalan

It's difficult to QQ and brag at the same time, but you managed to do so.

HalvarIronfist

Iki wrote: »

Have you considered rerolling something else than nightblade? Maybe you should. Then you could see how easy it is to get awesome k/d ratio and capture relics without cloak.
Perhaps you could then also get chance to experience how it`s like when you got one or two nightblades in your team and then you and other visible player/s get full pressure from 4 opponents, and while you get rekt nightblade/s of your team cloak away when shiet is about to hit the fan.
Imagine if that nightblade then also trash talked you about your poor performance, lack of kills and how hes carrying team...

Yes, HalvarIronfist, I really think you should try some other class than nightblade in bgs and build yourself to group-play instead of ganking. That might also help you team to perform better against those premades.

I have played other classes. I currently have 4 pvp characters. A stamwarden, stamsorc, magsorc, and this stamNB, I'm also pretty new to PVP in general. (Started within the last month, regarding to taking it.. 'seriously'.)

While regarding the entire situation in your perspective, did you perhaps take into account that if I was performing well, in a certain role, that I was perhaps assisting the team to attempt to do a task?

For instance; chaosball. I'll kill a ball carrier, let my tankier teammate grab the ball, and then proceed to gank players that come after them. If they chase , I can use a ability like Razor Caltrops to slow them down.

This isn't a "I'm not a team player, everyone else sucks!" thread, it's a: "Why do I go into BGs and get the same results, it's pretty infuriating." If I am doing my part, and I'm attempting to assist my teammates in doing theirs, is there any fault that I eventually get angry with the fact that they don't, if even sometimes even attempt, to do their part for the team?

validifyedneb18_ESO

validifyedneb18_ESO

Edit: Serously though, at non-megahigh MMR its pretty easy to carry a team of spergs

HalvarIronfist

As for MMR, I'm not sure how to really determine where I am. Like I say, on my StamNb, i tend to do pretty well in my own right, but does it base on wins/losses, or actual performance?

KBKB

My BGs today are something like this on my mag sorc

11/1 1 mil dmg
10/3 700k dmg
9/6 700k dmg
1/8 250k dmg

Lucklily no one QQ'd in the last match because I simply could not catch a break. Those guys you are being the salty stam NB to (most OP class combo in BGs so you aint that good sweetheart) could have just pulled in 3 solid performances as above then got face rolled due to 2 NBs on discord stacking them, vamps with hard DK counters or just lack of your team synergy (probably because you were sitting on a chair for most of it)

I get frustrated too, but sometimes its better just offer direct tips like; Dont get baited out of LoS/ stay in a group or break up for domination etc.

Last night I was hella Krunk had a CP80 sorc on my team who was like 0/11 I then versed him twice on different toons (farmed the shiz out of him) felt so bad I went and made him a CP80 set jewels and all Shackle breaker/krags/2 Magnus to see him through because he was clearly struggling. try being nice maybe?

KBKB

MMR in this game is flawed you will realise that when you have 2 X sub CP160 and the other teams are all 1k+ so I wouldnt pay it too much attention. I beleive groups are made to average out.

Example (just pulling numbers here)

1000R 500R 500R 250R = 2250 Rating

the following teams should all be around that mark

750R 500R 750R 250R

250R 500R 250R 1250R

Calculated off leader board score and a running KDR/Victory ratio over your last X number of games played.

This is what was explained to me by multiple people I dont think ZOS actually lets us know how it works.

Dreyloch

I've had the same issue as the OP. I pretty much ONLY pvp in this game. Sure I have to do dungeons once in awhile, I've even done trials. But I at least have the gear and builds to do it right.Can't say that for 75% of the players I've lost matches with. When I come onto a team and see a guy that's less than 150 cp? I already know we're gonna lose. Why? Because unless someone has "twinked" them out with top end pvp gear, there is almost no way they have all their skills and even some basic knowledge of how or what to do in a PvP enviroment. It's about as rare as being cured of cancer to see otherwise. I'm sorry, but it's much harder than PvE. For this game it truly is. You have to think on the fly, not stand in a couple spots and just DPS. Mobs just aren't like playing real ppl. It's always changing, even in a split second you can be full health to dead. In PvE it's a matter of not "standing in stupid".... in PvP there is no safe spot. Especially against a seasoned player.

It's taken me this past entire week of doing BG's pretty much non-stop to get the new weapon motifs. I honestly don't care for BG's. I prefer CP over non. I can tell you que'ing solo I've lost more matches than I care to count because 80% of the time, my team is getting wiped out. Can't do objectives if your DEAD!! Try to give them some kind of direction and plenty of times they just run off all over the place....dying. I would have gladly paid for the motifs, but they aren't tradeable, and its the ONLY reason I was there. But ya gotta win or have a considerable medal score to get them.

It's like a Pro football (hell, even semi-pro) player having a team full of freakin high schoolers. Playing against a pro team. I think anyone can understand how that's gonna go. So yeah, I'm with the OP. Stop wasting everyone's time when ya don't know what the.....to do!!! Stop que'ing until you have a full build at the very least. In a CP situation it's a little more forgiving. But no CP is like hard mode for a LOT of people. I say all this with the humble fact that I know I'm not an "exceptional player". But I give my all and come with the right tools for the job. That's all anyone can ask.

KBKB

Dreyloch wrote: »

I've had the same issue as the OP. I pretty much ONLY pvp in this game. Sure I have to do dungeons once in awhile, I've even done trials. But I at least have the gear and builds to do it right.Can't say that for 75% of the players I've lost matches with. When I come onto a team and see a guy that's less than 150 cp? I already know we're gonna lose. Why? Because unless someone has "twinked" them out with top end pvp gear, there is almost no way they have all their skills and even some basic knowledge of how or what to do in a PvP enviroment. It's about as rare as being cured of cancer to see otherwise. I'm sorry, but it's much harder than PvE. For this game it truly is. You have to think on the fly, not stand in a couple spots and just DPS. Mobs just aren't like playing real ppl. It's always changing, even in a split second you can be full health to dead. In PvE it's a matter of not "standing in stupid".... in PvP there is no safe spot. Especially against a seasoned player.

It's taken me this past entire week of doing BG's pretty much non-stop to get the new weapon motifs. I honestly don't care for BG's. I prefer CP over non. I can tell you que'ing solo I've lost more matches than I care to count because 80% of the time, my team is getting wiped out. Can't do objectives if your DEAD!! Try to give them some kind of direction and plenty of times they just run off all over the place....dying. I would have gladly paid for the motifs, but they aren't tradeable, and its the ONLY reason I was there. But ya gotta win or have a considerable medal score to get them.

It's like a Pro football (hell, even semi-pro) player having a team full of freakin high schoolers. Playing against a pro team. I think anyone can understand how that's gonna go. So yeah, I'm with the OP. Stop wasting everyone's time when ya don't know what the.....to do!!! Stop que'ing until you have a full build at the very least. In a CP situation it's a little more forgiving. But no CP is like hard mode for a LOT of people. I say all this with the humble fact that I know I'm not an "exceptional player". But I give my all and come with the right tools for the job. That's all anyone can ask.

@Dreyloch

How do you suppose they become seasoned? you'll gain far more skill and understanding of the game if your playing sub optimal, when you unlock the extras you'll have ascended to a new level. What a ridiculously selfish statement.

ChunkyCat

I’ve been there. When it stops being fun, that’s when you need to stop playing.

It’s a game man. Let that *** go.

Betty_Booms

Hey Mate,
Ive been playing a bit less because ive become frustrated also. Sometimes its because I come accross the same issue, sometimes it feels lile im lagging the whole BG, I call it sticky skills when my toon does an autistic dance instead of casting. But yeah i think its more my tolerance levels then anything cause none of its new for me. I would argue to say I amprobably close to top MMR so yeah I get where you are coming from and my way to deal wi th it is to slow down a bit.

Dreyloch

KBKB wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

I've had the same issue as the OP. I pretty much ONLY pvp in this game. Sure I have to do dungeons once in awhile, I've even done trials. But I at least have the gear and builds to do it right.Can't say that for 75% of the players I've lost matches with. When I come onto a team and see a guy that's less than 150 cp? I already know we're gonna lose. Why? Because unless someone has "twinked" them out with top end pvp gear, there is almost no way they have all their skills and even some basic knowledge of how or what to do in a PvP enviroment. It's about as rare as being cured of cancer to see otherwise. I'm sorry, but it's much harder than PvE. For this game it truly is. You have to think on the fly, not stand in a couple spots and just DPS. Mobs just aren't like playing real ppl. It's always changing, even in a split second you can be full health to dead. In PvE it's a matter of not "standing in stupid".... in PvP there is no safe spot. Especially against a seasoned player.

It's taken me this past entire week of doing BG's pretty much non-stop to get the new weapon motifs. I honestly don't care for BG's. I prefer CP over non. I can tell you que'ing solo I've lost more matches than I care to count because 80% of the time, my team is getting wiped out. Can't do objectives if your DEAD!! Try to give them some kind of direction and plenty of times they just run off all over the place....dying. I would have gladly paid for the motifs, but they aren't tradeable, and its the ONLY reason I was there. But ya gotta win or have a considerable medal score to get them.

It's like a Pro football (hell, even semi-pro) player having a team full of freakin high schoolers. Playing against a pro team. I think anyone can understand how that's gonna go. So yeah, I'm with the OP. Stop wasting everyone's time when ya don't know what the.....to do!!! Stop que'ing until you have a full build at the very least. In a CP situation it's a little more forgiving. But no CP is like hard mode for a LOT of people. I say all this with the humble fact that I know I'm not an "exceptional player". But I give my all and come with the right tools for the job. That's all anyone can ask.

@Dreyloch

How do you suppose they become seasoned? you'll gain far more skill and understanding of the game if your playing sub optimal, when you unlock the extras you'll have ascended to a new level. What a ridiculously selfish statement.

Start by using that thing called google. Find a PvP build made for no CP. Research is your best friend. Then go out to Sotha Sil and see how your skills and build fare. I can guarantee if you do that pretty well? Then you "could" be rdy for BG's. Learn the objectives of the matches!!! Jesus, there's that thing they call Youtube!!!!!!.... you can find all of this!! Same with anything in the game. Don't just walk in and think your gonna be top dog with your 50k PvE parse and divines gear. It means jack all when 3-4 players are beating on you. Like I said. It's NOT PVE!!!

When I come into a vet dungeon, I bring my full up divines geared out build. With correct morphs and knowledge of wtf I'm supposed to do. Shouldn't I ask for the same in BG's?!? It's not a difficult concept. A good deal of the players I've come across don't even have the minimum for vet dungeon entrance!! Seriously!?! They are just wasting everyone's time. We all had to start somewhere. I get that. I didn't magically obtain my vet gear. But I at least had the common courtesy to bring the best starter gear and an idea of how the dungeon works. I didn't just walk in like Leroy and get killed in .5 seconds.

Anotherone773

I notice that you seem to only care about your personal stats. How many kills you get, how many times you die and how many times you win or lose. I think your problem is karma. You are on a team and refuse to be a team player.

I also have a stamblade. I can pretty much get 10 kills plus a BG accidentally. But the only time i care about that is if i am in deathmatch. Other types im focused on the objects and not killing anyone. especially people in places that dont matter. I also dont worry about dying. Sometimes i will sacrifice myself to keep 3-4 other players on an opposite team busy for 30 seconds and sometimes more. Sometimes i will defend an objective. A flag or our relic. I might go two or three minutes and not see anyone from another team.

You probably are having bad luck with teams, but something else is your not helping your team win really. I know the type. They want to tell you how they carried the team because they got the most kills and most assists and least amount of deaths.... but it was capture the flag and they didnt bother to capture one flag or defend a flag for even 15 seconds.

If you are doing all the things to be a team player and the other teams are just to good, then try waiting to queue again If you queue complete the BG and queue again you are going to be put with the same people roughly. Wait 5-10 minutes to queue. Or wait an hour or so. The premades are heavy at certain times. When they are, not a lot of point trying to pug against them.

KBKB

Dreyloch wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

I've had the same issue as the OP. I pretty much ONLY pvp in this game. Sure I have to do dungeons once in awhile, I've even done trials. But I at least have the gear and builds to do it right.Can't say that for 75% of the players I've lost matches with. When I come onto a team and see a guy that's less than 150 cp? I already know we're gonna lose. Why? Because unless someone has "twinked" them out with top end pvp gear, there is almost no way they have all their skills and even some basic knowledge of how or what to do in a PvP enviroment. It's about as rare as being cured of cancer to see otherwise. I'm sorry, but it's much harder than PvE. For this game it truly is. You have to think on the fly, not stand in a couple spots and just DPS. Mobs just aren't like playing real ppl. It's always changing, even in a split second you can be full health to dead. In PvE it's a matter of not "standing in stupid".... in PvP there is no safe spot. Especially against a seasoned player.

It's taken me this past entire week of doing BG's pretty much non-stop to get the new weapon motifs. I honestly don't care for BG's. I prefer CP over non. I can tell you que'ing solo I've lost more matches than I care to count because 80% of the time, my team is getting wiped out. Can't do objectives if your DEAD!! Try to give them some kind of direction and plenty of times they just run off all over the place....dying. I would have gladly paid for the motifs, but they aren't tradeable, and its the ONLY reason I was there. But ya gotta win or have a considerable medal score to get them.

It's like a Pro football (hell, even semi-pro) player having a team full of freakin high schoolers. Playing against a pro team. I think anyone can understand how that's gonna go. So yeah, I'm with the OP. Stop wasting everyone's time when ya don't know what the.....to do!!! Stop que'ing until you have a full build at the very least. In a CP situation it's a little more forgiving. But no CP is like hard mode for a LOT of people. I say all this with the humble fact that I know I'm not an "exceptional player". But I give my all and come with the right tools for the job. That's all anyone can ask.

@Dreyloch

How do you suppose they become seasoned? you'll gain far more skill and understanding of the game if your playing sub optimal, when you unlock the extras you'll have ascended to a new level. What a ridiculously selfish statement.

Start by using that thing called google. Find a PvP build made for no CP. Research is your best friend. Then go out to Sotha Sil and see how your skills and build fare. I can guarantee if you do that pretty well? Then you "could" be rdy for BG's. Learn the objectives of the matches!!! Jesus, there's that thing they call Youtube!!!!!!.... you can find all of this!! Same with anything in the game. Don't just walk in and think your gonna be top dog with your 50k PvE parse and divines gear. It means jack all when 3-4 players are beating on you. Like I said. It's NOT PVE!!!

When I come into a vet dungeon, I bring my full up divines geared out build. With correct morphs and knowledge of wtf I'm supposed to do. Shouldn't I ask for the same in BG's?!? It's not a difficult concept. A good deal of the players I've come across don't even have the minimum for vet dungeon entrance!! Seriously!?! They are just wasting everyone's time. We all had to start somewhere. I get that. I didn't magically obtain my vet gear. But I at least had the common courtesy to bring the best starter gear and an idea of how the dungeon works. I didn't just walk in like Leroy and get killed in .5 seconds.

You lost me at ranking BGs over cyrodiil tbh. Lol just jumping on Google to search an acceptable build for LFG dungeons/Bags.