Stamplar PVP advice re: Survivability

RedKialandi

Hi there,

So I'm a fairly seasoned PVPer overall, with most my experience being in StamDK, but I decided to dust off my stamplar char recently and give it a go in PVP and battlegrounds. Nevertheless, I've had huge problems with survivability, as I can't deal with burst damage very well, and I find myself almost automatically on the back foot, trying to kite damage and dying as I can't outheal it. My resists are around 22k pre-bloodspawn, and much higher in cp content, but it feels like Im dying far too easily compared to other players, can anyone give me some advice?

My setup:
2x Bloodspawn (Tri stats)
5x Automaton
5x Ravaging
2x Death Wind (Backbar for more resists)

I have all stam on armour, while my jewels are infused/WD, Robust/WD and Heathly/StamRecovery

Thanks!

technohic

What's your health and crit resist at?

Have to keep your rune up and smart use of extended ritual. I've found heals better in other stam toons but the use if ER is the om1 strength a stamplar has.

What heals are you running?

Another thing that helps I find is being able to apply pressure and you have 2 offensive sets si should be decent there. Use axes or a mace. If you are on your back foot, you are missing the minor protection from jabs and LOS helps. I also like to have DBOS, but then empowering sweeps on another bar which is up quickly after to provide tackiness. Remembrance also us a good save to reset the fight.

ChunkyCat

Find a pretty guardplar to marry. Give him flowers or something.

Stx

You have two damage sets on so I would recommend trading one out for sustain set so you can kite and spam heals better.

I personally like to use empowering sweep as my ultimate as well over dawnbreaker. A little less damage but much cheaper and you get major protection for 6 seconds which often let's me go toe to toe with people. I also use blood spawn and sometimes I can chain sweep it's pretty nice.

Alucardo

I was getting beaten around in medium too, so I tried out fortified brass (though I may switch to Armor Master and Shuffle). When Blood Spawn procs I'm at the resistance cap, but still have the damage and stuff of the medium armor.
I'll probably end up sticking with it tbh. Sure two hitting people was fun for a while, but it's less fun when you can't survive for very long.

Vapirko

Just practice and timing rally with smart use of extended ritual. Also I think you’re way over doing it with damage sets. Get rid of automaton for a sustain set so you can have more resources and recovery for kiting and dodge rolling. In no CP you gotta build a bit more towards survivability. Slot the psijic ult backbar with deaths wind for minor protection. I use one defending wpn as well and two daggers back bar to raise my crit heals chance. I like one protective jewelry piece as well. Use rending slashes for another small heal. After that it’s just getting used to it. Stamplar can feel very squishy when you first start playing.

RedKialandi

Thanks for the advice! What sustain sets should I consider? The one that comes to mind is obviously Bone Pirate, but would stuff like Battlefield Acrobat work too?

technohic

RedKialandi wrote: »

Thanks for the advice! What sustain sets should I consider? The one that comes to mind is obviously Bone Pirate, but would stuff like Battlefield Acrobat work too?

Battlefield acrobat will work. I like Cyrodiils ward as it gives 2 set bonuses to sustain AND major defile. But TBH I dont know if that works as well in no CP as I havent done a lot of that.

rumple9

I agree with cyrodiil's ward

Grimlok_S

I don't think ward is going to help you die less..

I usually lean towards pen as the second set, but my suggestion would be to pick either Rav or Auto to keep as a "front bar" damage set, and look at something tankier as your body 5pc.

I think impreg would provide some of that tankiness you're missing from DK. It will help mitigate a ton of burst damage in the way of crits until you get more comfortable and swap into a second damage set.

At a minimum, I'd suggest you put 2 tri-stat glyphs on your big pieces.

One of your strongest defenses is interrupting a players burst, or dot stack via cleanse. The extra mag from tri-stat big pieces and impreg should help when getting a feel for how to cleanse efficiently. A debuff tracker certainly helps here, in CP with 2 heavy pieces you can almost cleanse every time you hit 5 debuffs, but in no CP you need to be a little more sparing. I try to watch for key debuffs I know are going to hurt, like a sorc's Curse.. wait until it's about to pop/refresh and then cleanse. interrupting their offensive rotation can give you that window to go offensive yourself.

Hope that helps

Anyron

All i can say your survivability isnt only about your armor and resistance. Stamina is unique to its mobility.

If you move away from your target, you can't get hit by melee. If you break line-of-sight, you can't get hit by ranged.
What could stop you from this are roots and snares. But as stamina you have something that magicka players don't.
Use 2h with FORWARD MOMENTUM to get access to cheap and spamable root/snare immunity for 4 seconds
It also gives you major brutality and healing over time which if is used with vigor(green morph) can give you useful healing.

You have also ways to increase your movement speed:

Steed mundus (health regen +10% speed)
Swift jewelry
Coward set ( which is awesome for pvp, 30% damage reduction with passive major expedition while sprinting)


While this slightly reduces your damage it can help you survive most situations that could kill you as magicka player, or glasscannon stamina player

MaxJrFTW

Use a defensive set, duh. Brass or Pirate Skeleton. Bloodspawn does not proc often enough to leave all your defense to it.

You can also run impreg with all well-fitted traits. I did for a while and people would send me hate whispers because i could roll for days.

Qbiken

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Use a defensive set, duh. Brass or Pirate Skeleton. Bloodspawn does not proc often enough to leave all your defense to it.

You can also run impreg with all well-fitted traits. I did for a while and people would send me hate whispers because i could roll for days.

So basically roleplay as a stamblade? xD

coj901

My stamplar is *** pirate/ravager/bloodspawn. I use protective on jewelry

Stridig

I switched out blood spawn for chudan.
5x Bone Pirate
5x Spriggan
2x Chudan (heavy head and light shoulder)
It works very well for me.

iCelticOwnU

I run BGs 90% of the time i am online. I have mained a stamplar for around 4 years now. The best thing to do is time your cleanses/vigor into your roll dodge on the bow bar, what i mean is get used to animation cancelling healing abilities. This will make you heal quicker, and number 2 roll dodging on bow bar gives you major expedition... this is the number one tool for surviving since stamplars are not made to be a brawler type. Run in , do your burst combo, and get out if your surrounded. Tri Stat potions + Cleansing negative effects + roll dodging on bow bar to get out of a bad spot is the way to survive.... and having an insane amount of burst is why stamplar is still competitive. If you want a brawler type go with a stamsorc, which i also play alot if i want to 1vX.

my set up is

Slimecraw (x2)
Two Fanged Snake (x5)
Bone Pirate (x5)

i make up for defense with protective jewelery x2 and defending on bow bar... also have 2x health glyphs infused on big pieces. the rest is inpen. also use empowering sweep/Rememberance on back bar for major protection which also helps survive and get out of sticky situation...

if your on xbox i can help anyone out in game. GT: iCeltic Own U

blindy107

I’ve been playing around with steadfast hero on back bar for the maj protection on purges. It’s about 50% uptime and can alternate that with the empower sweep for more! Cyro ward dw up front and then 2pc of whatever you feel is lacking.

Sucks losing the hp bonus when NOT on hero back bar though.

Minno

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Use a defensive set, duh. Brass or Pirate Skeleton. Bloodspawn does not proc often enough to leave all your defense to it.

You can also run impreg with all well-fitted traits. I did for a while and people would send me hate whispers because i could roll for days.[/q]

got a few spare trans jewels and might go this route with impreg too. Got protective trans so no harm done lol. 250 mag regen was needed more than the health/stam/mag pools on my imperial to help with extra purges.

technohic

I'm running nord with Bloodspawn. I find that I can DBOS a group then pretty quickly have empowering sweeps up right after. Lately though I've noticed I struggle more with a good solo bursty opponent than with bigger groups where some light hits feed me.

psychotic13

Honestly one set will help alot, steadfast hero, use it on the bar you cleanse on and get major protection.

Lord_Zele

RedKialandi wrote: »

Hi there,

So I'm a fairly seasoned PVPer overall, with most my experience being in StamDK, but I decided to dust off my stamplar char recently and give it a go in PVP and battlegrounds. Nevertheless, I've had huge problems with survivability, as I can't deal with burst damage very well, and I find myself almost automatically on the back foot, trying to kite damage and dying as I can't outheal it. My resists are around 22k pre-bloodspawn, and much higher in cp content, but it feels like Im dying far too easily compared to other players, can anyone give me some advice?

My setup:
2x Bloodspawn (Tri stats)
5x Automaton
5x Ravaging
2x Death Wind (Backbar for more resists)

I have all stam on armour, while my jewels are infused/WD, Robust/WD and Heathly/StamRecovery

Thanks!

Hey Stamplar brotha! (Or sista, I dont judge)
Few things here I'd like to discuss- Both damage sets are great. Your damage is hella nice but there are a few problems.

1. Auto's 5pc does not add to healing, only damage. You're losing a lot of healing potential by using Automaton. It helps a TON with Damage but in the long run, it won't help vs other potential sets.

2. I feel that replacing auto (if you feel like you lack in suvivalbility) with a set that gives more max stats (that show on your Stat Sheet) or even a major/minor buff would help a lot more. (Ex. Hulking's 5pc vs Auto's 5pc)

3. Replacement Sets for Auto: Hulking/BonePirate/Shacklebreaker for more Max stam(which also adds to healing/damage tooltips). If you use sets that give you Max Stam, you gain the ability to run protective on your jewlery without losing too much stam because your Max Stam Pool will already help. Protective will help you tons with tankiness. The added Stam (even after losing some Robust traits) will still outperform the Auto's 5PC because it adds healing since Auto doesn't.

4. Other replacement sets: If you don't care about your max stam pool, the other option is (yet again) replacing Auto with other sets that give you a flat base Weapon Damage, vs damage for One aspect of damage. (Disease, Physical, Poison)
Using sets like Hunding's Rage, (HIGH Crit, Great consistent Wpn Damage) will give you similar tooltips that Auto gave you AND add to your healing tooltips. If you don't like hunding's, you can always use a set like Briarheart which also gives high crit, but gives you more wpn damage IF you proc the set. So the uptime isn't 100 percent like hunding's, but it adds healing overall.

5. Replacing Auto AND/Or Ravager: When I had this issue with healing, I ended up removing Ravager and putting 7th Legion on with Briarheart. You still get One Offensive Proc that works similar to Ravager. and 2. You get an insane uptime with 7th Legion since it's a defensive proc. When outnumbered, 7th legion is insane because it's procs off of other player damage. Briarheart is also amazing because it procs off of your Crit damage. The more targets you jab, the higher chance it'll proc. Then both sets itself have passive healing when taking/dealing damage. The combo gives you insane wpn damage, good crit, and lots of passive healing
Note: You could replace Ravager with Veiled Heritence if you want a high uptime of Wpn Damage but don't want to worry about the cooldown of Ravager/Briarheart if you use 2 offensive sets.

If you have any further questions, feel free to reply to this post as I did just type you up a whole life story LOL.

armeegrun

Lord_Zele wrote: »

5. Replacing Auto AND/Or Ravager: When I had this issue with healing, I ended up removing Ravager and putting 7th Legion on with Briarheart. You still get One Offensive Proc that works similar to Ravager. and 2. You get an insane uptime with 7th Legion since it's a defensive proc. When outnumbered, 7th legion is insane because it's procs off of other player damage. Briarheart is also amazing because it procs off of your Crit damage. The more targets you jab, the higher chance it'll proc. Then both sets itself have passive healing when taking/dealing damage. The combo gives you insane wpn damage, good crit, and lots of passive healing
Note: You could replace Ravager with Veiled Heritence if you want a high uptime of Wpn Damage but don't want to worry about the cooldown of Ravager/Briarheart if you use 2 offensive sets.

If you have any further questions, feel free to reply to this post as I did just type you up a whole life story LOL.

This sounds like what I may want to tryout, I'm gonna take a guess here, but are you running Bloodspawn, 2 pieces?

Lord_Zele

armeegrun wrote: »

Lord_Zele wrote: »

5. Replacing Auto AND/Or Ravager: When I had this issue with healing, I ended up removing Ravager and putting 7th Legion on with Briarheart. You still get One Offensive Proc that works similar to Ravager. and 2. You get an insane uptime with 7th Legion since it's a defensive proc. When outnumbered, 7th legion is insane because it's procs off of other player damage. Briarheart is also amazing because it procs off of your Crit damage. The more targets you jab, the higher chance it'll proc. Then both sets itself have passive healing when taking/dealing damage. The combo gives you insane wpn damage, good crit, and lots of passive healing
Note: You could replace Ravager with Veiled Heritence if you want a high uptime of Wpn Damage but don't want to worry about the cooldown of Ravager/Briarheart if you use 2 offensive sets.

If you have any further questions, feel free to reply to this post as I did just type you up a whole life story LOL.

This sounds like what I may want to tryout, I'm gonna take a guess here, but are you running Bloodspawn, 2 pieces?

Yes, I've stuck to Bloodspawn for the past few patches. (Although just started messing with Balorgh since I am now running x2 Protective, I feel like I can drop BS at times for the extra damage.)
Bloodspawn is just soooo good.

Minno

Lord_Zele wrote: »

armeegrun wrote: »

Lord_Zele wrote: »

5. Replacing Auto AND/Or Ravager: When I had this issue with healing, I ended up removing Ravager and putting 7th Legion on with Briarheart. You still get One Offensive Proc that works similar to Ravager. and 2. You get an insane uptime with 7th Legion since it's a defensive proc. When outnumbered, 7th legion is insane because it's procs off of other player damage. Briarheart is also amazing because it procs off of your Crit damage. The more targets you jab, the higher chance it'll proc. Then both sets itself have passive healing when taking/dealing damage. The combo gives you insane wpn damage, good crit, and lots of passive healing
Note: You could replace Ravager with Veiled Heritence if you want a high uptime of Wpn Damage but don't want to worry about the cooldown of Ravager/Briarheart if you use 2 offensive sets.

If you have any further questions, feel free to reply to this post as I did just type you up a whole life story LOL.

This sounds like what I may want to tryout, I'm gonna take a guess here, but are you running Bloodspawn, 2 pieces?

Yes, I've stuck to Bloodspawn for the past few patches. (Although just started messing with Balorgh since I am now running x2 Protective, I feel like I can drop BS at times for the extra damage.)
Bloodspawn is just soooo good.

Went back to stamplar the past week and found the same feedback. Templar has such a narrow window for offense, it really makes no sense to use sets that make your offensive window smaller.

Though I went transmutation with protective so I could fit 1pc agility/shackle/arena weapons on the front bar. Didnt have balorgh either, so i went kena/slime for the WD/crit. Stat wise, 23kphysical resist, 1600 stam regen without rune, 900 mag recovery, 4.3k WD with weapon enchant, 4.3k crit resist and 36k stam/25k health/11k mag.

technohic

Minno wrote: »

Lord_Zele wrote: »

armeegrun wrote: »

Lord_Zele wrote: »

5. Replacing Auto AND/Or Ravager: When I had this issue with healing, I ended up removing Ravager and putting 7th Legion on with Briarheart. You still get One Offensive Proc that works similar to Ravager. and 2. You get an insane uptime with 7th Legion since it's a defensive proc. When outnumbered, 7th legion is insane because it's procs off of other player damage. Briarheart is also amazing because it procs off of your Crit damage. The more targets you jab, the higher chance it'll proc. Then both sets itself have passive healing when taking/dealing damage. The combo gives you insane wpn damage, good crit, and lots of passive healing
Note: You could replace Ravager with Veiled Heritence if you want a high uptime of Wpn Damage but don't want to worry about the cooldown of Ravager/Briarheart if you use 2 offensive sets.

If you have any further questions, feel free to reply to this post as I did just type you up a whole life story LOL.

This sounds like what I may want to tryout, I'm gonna take a guess here, but are you running Bloodspawn, 2 pieces?

Yes, I've stuck to Bloodspawn for the past few patches. (Although just started messing with Balorgh since I am now running x2 Protective, I feel like I can drop BS at times for the extra damage.)
Bloodspawn is just soooo good.

Went back to stamplar the past week and found the same feedback. Templar has such a narrow window for offense, it really makes no sense to use sets that make your offensive window smaller.

Though I went transmutation with protective so I could fit 1pc agility/shackle/arena weapons on the front bar. Didnt have balorgh either, so i went kena/slime for the WD/crit. Stat wise, 23kphysical resist, 1600 stam regen without rune, 900 mag recovery, 4.3k WD with weapon enchant, 4.3k crit resist and 36k stam/25k health/11k mag.

You should get some good vigors with that. I made some adjustments yesterday and am running ravager and spriggans with BS in medium with nord. With BS proc, and rune up, I am just over 30k armor and I get a tooltip around 15k vigor. I run 2h mace and Bow and rally and draining shot each give me a burst heal to where I have seen the rally 1 get me 10k and DS tooltip is about that but I know battle spirit knocks it down.

I think the trick was learning to run lower stam recovery and incorporate heavy attacks every now and then but surprisingly not often outside of really big fights. Killing quicker gives the 2her passive a chance to bring it back up and having good heals so far I have found to be my best defense.

Minno

technohic wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Lord_Zele wrote: »

armeegrun wrote: »

Lord_Zele wrote: »

5. Replacing Auto AND/Or Ravager: When I had this issue with healing, I ended up removing Ravager and putting 7th Legion on with Briarheart. You still get One Offensive Proc that works similar to Ravager. and 2. You get an insane uptime with 7th Legion since it's a defensive proc. When outnumbered, 7th legion is insane because it's procs off of other player damage. Briarheart is also amazing because it procs off of your Crit damage. The more targets you jab, the higher chance it'll proc. Then both sets itself have passive healing when taking/dealing damage. The combo gives you insane wpn damage, good crit, and lots of passive healing
Note: You could replace Ravager with Veiled Heritence if you want a high uptime of Wpn Damage but don't want to worry about the cooldown of Ravager/Briarheart if you use 2 offensive sets.

If you have any further questions, feel free to reply to this post as I did just type you up a whole life story LOL.

This sounds like what I may want to tryout, I'm gonna take a guess here, but are you running Bloodspawn, 2 pieces?

Yes, I've stuck to Bloodspawn for the past few patches. (Although just started messing with Balorgh since I am now running x2 Protective, I feel like I can drop BS at times for the extra damage.)
Bloodspawn is just soooo good.

Went back to stamplar the past week and found the same feedback. Templar has such a narrow window for offense, it really makes no sense to use sets that make your offensive window smaller.

Though I went transmutation with protective so I could fit 1pc agility/shackle/arena weapons on the front bar. Didnt have balorgh either, so i went kena/slime for the WD/crit. Stat wise, 23kphysical resist, 1600 stam regen without rune, 900 mag recovery, 4.3k WD with weapon enchant, 4.3k crit resist and 36k stam/25k health/11k mag.

You should get some good vigors with that. I made some adjustments yesterday and am running ravager and spriggans with BS in medium with nord. With BS proc, and rune up, I am just over 30k armor and I get a tooltip around 15k vigor. I run 2h mace and Bow and rally and draining shot each give me a burst heal to where I have seen the rally 1 get me 10k and DS tooltip is about that but I know battle spirit knocks it down.

I think the trick was learning to run lower stam recovery and incorporate heavy attacks every now and then but surprisingly not often outside of really big fights. Killing quicker gives the 2her passive a chance to bring it back up and having good heals so far I have found to be my best defense.

Yea 2h bar its 17k and bow its 14k. If near a keep its 19k, 17k.

1400-1600 is the sweet spot. With restoring rune it brings you to 2000-2100 which is exactly the level where templar is at running 1200 with channeled focus and ele drain.

I don't heavy attack as much as I should. But if I do its to beef up dawnbreaker; my enemy knows its coming so it blocks lol.

trans backbar lets me fire off more purges in combat. Love it for the offensive weapon front bar too. Need to get an arena weapon now lol.

RedKialandi

Lord_Zele wrote: »

RedKialandi wrote: »

Hi there,

So I'm a fairly seasoned PVPer overall, with most my experience being in StamDK, but I decided to dust off my stamplar char recently and give it a go in PVP and battlegrounds. Nevertheless, I've had huge problems with survivability, as I can't deal with burst damage very well, and I find myself almost automatically on the back foot, trying to kite damage and dying as I can't outheal it. My resists are around 22k pre-bloodspawn, and much higher in cp content, but it feels like Im dying far too easily compared to other players, can anyone give me some advice?

My setup:
2x Bloodspawn (Tri stats)
5x Automaton
5x Ravaging
2x Death Wind (Backbar for more resists)

I have all stam on armour, while my jewels are infused/WD, Robust/WD and Heathly/StamRecovery

Thanks!

Hey Stamplar brotha! (Or sista, I dont judge)
Few things here I'd like to discuss- Both damage sets are great. Your damage is hella nice but there are a few problems.

1. Auto's 5pc does not add to healing, only damage. You're losing a lot of healing potential by using Automaton. It helps a TON with Damage but in the long run, it won't help vs other potential sets.

2. I feel that replacing auto (if you feel like you lack in suvivalbility) with a set that gives more max stats (that show on your Stat Sheet) or even a major/minor buff would help a lot more. (Ex. Hulking's 5pc vs Auto's 5pc)

3. Replacement Sets for Auto: Hulking/BonePirate/Shacklebreaker for more Max stam(which also adds to healing/damage tooltips). If you use sets that give you Max Stam, you gain the ability to run protective on your jewlery without losing too much stam because your Max Stam Pool will already help. Protective will help you tons with tankiness. The added Stam (even after losing some Robust traits) will still outperform the Auto's 5PC because it adds healing since Auto doesn't.

4. Other replacement sets: If you don't care about your max stam pool, the other option is (yet again) replacing Auto with other sets that give you a flat base Weapon Damage, vs damage for One aspect of damage. (Disease, Physical, Poison)
Using sets like Hunding's Rage, (HIGH Crit, Great consistent Wpn Damage) will give you similar tooltips that Auto gave you AND add to your healing tooltips. If you don't like hunding's, you can always use a set like Briarheart which also gives high crit, but gives you more wpn damage IF you proc the set. So the uptime isn't 100 percent like hunding's, but it adds healing overall.

5. Replacing Auto AND/Or Ravager: When I had this issue with healing, I ended up removing Ravager and putting 7th Legion on with Briarheart. You still get One Offensive Proc that works similar to Ravager. and 2. You get an insane uptime with 7th Legion since it's a defensive proc. When outnumbered, 7th legion is insane because it's procs off of other player damage. Briarheart is also amazing because it procs off of your Crit damage. The more targets you jab, the higher chance it'll proc. Then both sets itself have passive healing when taking/dealing damage. The combo gives you insane wpn damage, good crit, and lots of passive healing
Note: You could replace Ravager with Veiled Heritence if you want a high uptime of Wpn Damage but don't want to worry about the cooldown of Ravager/Briarheart if you use 2 offensive sets.

If you have any further questions, feel free to reply to this post as I did just type you up a whole life story LOL.

Really helpful mate! (I actually go for your builds a lot for inspiration, really appreciate the help) I’ve switched to Bone Pirate/ Briarheart along with a cavalcade of monster helmets that I can’t quite decide on. I agree with the point about flat damage bonus, it might be a better bet even if I forgo the healing of Briarheart. I could always try 7th as well.

I’ve really got a lot better after the advice here, I guess help and practice really goes a long way! (Though the fact I main a stamsorc does mean there are some transferable skills!)

Lord_Zele

RedKialandi wrote: »

Lord_Zele wrote: »

RedKialandi wrote: »

Hi there,

So I'm a fairly seasoned PVPer overall, with most my experience being in StamDK, but I decided to dust off my stamplar char recently and give it a go in PVP and battlegrounds. Nevertheless, I've had huge problems with survivability, as I can't deal with burst damage very well, and I find myself almost automatically on the back foot, trying to kite damage and dying as I can't outheal it. My resists are around 22k pre-bloodspawn, and much higher in cp content, but it feels like Im dying far too easily compared to other players, can anyone give me some advice?

My setup:
2x Bloodspawn (Tri stats)
5x Automaton
5x Ravaging
2x Death Wind (Backbar for more resists)

I have all stam on armour, while my jewels are infused/WD, Robust/WD and Heathly/StamRecovery

Thanks!

Hey Stamplar brotha! (Or sista, I dont judge)
Few things here I'd like to discuss- Both damage sets are great. Your damage is hella nice but there are a few problems.

1. Auto's 5pc does not add to healing, only damage. You're losing a lot of healing potential by using Automaton. It helps a TON with Damage but in the long run, it won't help vs other potential sets.

2. I feel that replacing auto (if you feel like you lack in suvivalbility) with a set that gives more max stats (that show on your Stat Sheet) or even a major/minor buff would help a lot more. (Ex. Hulking's 5pc vs Auto's 5pc)

3. Replacement Sets for Auto: Hulking/BonePirate/Shacklebreaker for more Max stam(which also adds to healing/damage tooltips). If you use sets that give you Max Stam, you gain the ability to run protective on your jewlery without losing too much stam because your Max Stam Pool will already help. Protective will help you tons with tankiness. The added Stam (even after losing some Robust traits) will still outperform the Auto's 5PC because it adds healing since Auto doesn't.

4. Other replacement sets: If you don't care about your max stam pool, the other option is (yet again) replacing Auto with other sets that give you a flat base Weapon Damage, vs damage for One aspect of damage. (Disease, Physical, Poison)
Using sets like Hunding's Rage, (HIGH Crit, Great consistent Wpn Damage) will give you similar tooltips that Auto gave you AND add to your healing tooltips. If you don't like hunding's, you can always use a set like Briarheart which also gives high crit, but gives you more wpn damage IF you proc the set. So the uptime isn't 100 percent like hunding's, but it adds healing overall.

5. Replacing Auto AND/Or Ravager: When I had this issue with healing, I ended up removing Ravager and putting 7th Legion on with Briarheart. You still get One Offensive Proc that works similar to Ravager. and 2. You get an insane uptime with 7th Legion since it's a defensive proc. When outnumbered, 7th legion is insane because it's procs off of other player damage. Briarheart is also amazing because it procs off of your Crit damage. The more targets you jab, the higher chance it'll proc. Then both sets itself have passive healing when taking/dealing damage. The combo gives you insane wpn damage, good crit, and lots of passive healing
Note: You could replace Ravager with Veiled Heritence if you want a high uptime of Wpn Damage but don't want to worry about the cooldown of Ravager/Briarheart if you use 2 offensive sets.

If you have any further questions, feel free to reply to this post as I did just type you up a whole life story LOL.

Really helpful mate! (I actually go for your builds a lot for inspiration, really appreciate the help) I’ve switched to Bone Pirate/ Briarheart along with a cavalcade of monster helmets that I can’t quite decide on. I agree with the point about flat damage bonus, it might be a better bet even if I forgo the healing of Briarheart. I could always try 7th as well.

I’ve really got a lot better after the advice here, I guess help and practice really goes a long way! (Though the fact I main a stamsorc does mean there are some transferable skills!)

Glad I was able to help brotha. The other people in this section are knowledgeable as well. Have a great time PvPing. Thanks for the compliment as well.
Bloodspawn is BIS in my opinion. Trollking used to be super amazing but only if you have good mobility. You can still get bursted hard thus leaving the Health Regen useless to an extent if your opponent really hits hard.

DTStormfox

My setup in No-CP PvP and BGs is:

Race: Imperial
Gear:
2x Troll King (all heavy and impenetrable)
5x Seventh Legion Brute set / or / Ravager Set (all heavy and impenetrable)
5x Gryphon's Ferocity set (2x infused jewellery, 1x robust, all with stamina recovery enchant)

armeegrun

So with the seventh legion and briar heart. Would you be running pieces medium, or 5 pieces heavy armor

RedKialandi

armeegrun wrote: »

So with the seventh legion and briar heart. Would you be running pieces medium, or 5 pieces heavy armor

I switched to Bone Pirate instead of 7th, but at point of time I was indeed in medium armour.