If you are wondering why Cyrodill is eather empty or full of zerg.

Skander

It's becouse this game made new player fear of running a small group

Galarthor

It's because the game heavily rewards running in large groups.

Minimal AP loss, while having greater survivability and more wins than in any other group constellation. Which means more fun b/c you win/kill more and less displeasure from dying and having to cross the entire distance between the respawn and the fight again.

technohic

Im not sure how you would expect otherwise. If you try to take anything, you are going to get a response. Odds are, 1 side will have more than the other. Obviously; being experienced is going to help you either way. I don't see any way you can design to make that not a thing.

And there is nothing wrong with new players PUGing up to get some numbers and exploring out on their own as they feel comfortable. Nothing wrong with guilds running some numbers because you have friends and its not like you are going to turn and say "Wait. We are awfully zergy. You, you, and you; please disband and go somewhere else." The issue is with the full faction stacking that happens outside of just natural occurrence.

WoppaBoem

IC will get a own campaign, I have hopes

Skander

Damage is too high. People don't want to say it, but that's how it is

Minno

Nerf Skander!

technohic

Skander wrote: »

Damage is too high. People don't want to say it, but that's how it is

You're probably right. I have heard the other side saying people are too tanky, but I feel they are tanked up because the damage is too high, and still high enough even when tanky.

White wabbit

technohic wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Damage is too high. People don't want to say it, but that's how it is

You're probably right. I have heard the other side saying people are too tanky, but I feel they are tanked up because the damage is too high, and still high enough even when tanky.

I run a tanky build as constantly outnumbered and zerged down , until people change how they play I don't see this going away

InvictusApollo

Skander wrote: »

Damage is too high. People don't want to say it, but that's how it is

Its not damage that is too high. Its the *** builds people make for pvp. Some are so squishy that they die from 3 skills.

Kadoin

Galarthor wrote: »

It's because the game heavily rewards running in large groups.

Minimal AP loss, while having greater survivability and more wins than in any other group constellation. Which means more fun b/c you win/kill more and less displeasure from dying and having to cross the entire distance between the respawn and the fight again.

Don't forget EG stacking. That alone is worth hiding in a zerg for. I seriously doubt with all the other changes people would still ball up if not for that set and bogdan...But it's apparently fair and balanced to ZOS

Joy_Division

Skander wrote: »

Damage is too high. People don't want to say it, but that's how it is

Defensive and turtling is also too high / easy. There are so many people out there with low damage tank builds that it just isn;t worth it to fight them.

ScruffyWhiskers

Joy_Division wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Damage is too high. People don't want to say it, but that's how it is

Defensive and turtling is also too high / easy. There are so many people out there with low damage tank builds that it just isn;t worth it to fight them.

I just use them to build up some ultimate. It's almost comical sometimes to see a 70k hp guy wandering around and nobody bothers to fight them. Then there is the opposite extreme where 20 players are all pounding on them. I like to join in just because well I don't know actually something triggering a primal part of my brain probably like chasing mag sorcs out into the wilderness where they can get you alone. Sometimes you just can't help yourself.

Crown

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

I just use them to build up some ultimate. It's almost comical sometimes to see a 70k hp guy wandering around and nobody bothers to fight them. Then there is the opposite extreme where 20 players are all pounding on them. I like to join in just because well I don't know actually something triggering a primal part of my brain probably like chasing mag sorcs out into the wilderness where they can get you alone. Sometimes you just can't help yourself.

Alternatively, help kill the tank so that the 20+ other players in light armour spamming light attacks with their bows can then at least drop some siege and try to open a wall.

Sotha_Sil

5 years of Cyro, the same thing over and over again with no changes at all. What do you expect ? At some point, people will move on... and the new casual players will zerg.

Mr_Walker

A zerg, of course, being defined as "any group of players larger than the group I'm in"....