Damage in pvp

Anyron

I am sure lot of you already noticed increased damage in pvp after wrathstone patch

With it pvp becomed almost unplayable. And it isnt only about sieges, damage from players was increased too.

To get hit by 8k, or even 10k damage in nonCP pvp, with over 20k resistances (with major ward and resolve) and with decent critical resistance (7 impen pieces) is just ridiculous.

We all know what class is problem here - that one with highest burst potential and ability to turn invisible.
(this isn't nerf discussion)

I just hope it will be fixed, along with sieges which is unshieldable (but strangely dodgeable and blockable). Though damage could be little bigger (+50% base damage pre-wrathstone) Because before it was joke.

Minno

Various factors:
- normalized 103% crit hit DMG modifiers but nobody really runs more than 2300-3k crit resistance. So everything hitting you has a 1.59 modifier after resists! (NCP had normalized 97% but against 1800 so likea1.68 modifier which is worse!)
- food+race+5pc bonus sets now count towards CP.

7 impen isn't decent; you need impreg/trans.

Anyron

7 impen is max you can get without slotting aditional sets with crt resist

So i think it is decent. Or just let me to use it and "stealth warriors" can have even more damage advantage

Crixus8000

I have 29k resists and 8 impen (one from shield) in no cp and still have been hit huge numbers like 7.4k frags and 10k +snipes.

Vapirko

Battle is faster paced though which I like. And I’m still not convinced it’s all that much different. It seems to be mostly opinion. Are we really sure the damage is that much higher?

Morgul667

Vapirko wrote: »

Battle is faster paced though which I like. And I’m still not convinced it’s all that much different. It seems to be mostly opinion. Are we really sure the damage is that much higher?

I wonder myself but i see 7k crystal frags and 12k executioner on my death recap while i wear 5 heavy armor and have hurricane up ....so still feels like something is offf

Maybe heavy armor passives are not working propery?

ecru

Maybe you guys are onto something here. I was eating 6k+ cliff racers with ~1800-2k light attacks in between with 31000 resists and 7 impen in BGs earlier. Not entirely sure how that's possible aside from something like major berserk? Maybe someone has some insight, getting plucked for a third of my health in a single gcd with a spam attack+light attack seemed a bit much with spell and crit resists like that.

Vapirko

The real question is, does your own damage feel higher lol. If you just feel like you’re eating more damage then it might just be the small adjustments to racials. Some races have less health now etc. In terms of tooltips abilties are not that much higher if they are at all in general.

Anyron

I cannot say mi damage is higher than before. It could be but it isnt much ( maybe because i run high resources - small crt build?).

All i know when i see stamNb ( which is strange because i have no issue with other classes - maybe stamdens too. 5k+ subterrain Assault if often thing) i get rekt faster then before.

Since patch i am trying to avoid stamblades, because of damage which isnt easy, because they are everywhere now. Quests like kill enemy nightblades is often easiest to complete

DKsUnite

Im getting hit with 10k snipes in BGs. Only seen them that high in CP pvp.

Vapirko

DKsUnite wrote: »

Im getting hit with 10k snipes in BGs. Only seen them that high in CP pvp.

This could be the new Khajit passive. Guaranteed crit from stealth. Stamblades have too many powerful guaranteed effects from stealth that are unnecessary like crit and a CC. As if they don’t have enough good CC options and damage already.

Sheuib

There was another post about some sort of armor bug.

SippingPotions

I'm over 24k physical resistance and 1800 crit resist in non cp and I've been getting hit by 8-10k Incaps and snipes regularly since the patch. That's almost as hard as Onslaught hits me for, but Onslaught is supposed to ignore my mitigation.

Mauz

Vapirko wrote: »

This could be the new Khajit passive. Guaranteed crit from stealth. Stamblades have too many powerful guaranteed effects from stealth that are unnecessary like crit and a CC. As if they don’t have enough good CC options and damage already.

No, on npc my snipe did hit for 42,1k before the patch and 40,7k now. So it's less cause the Stealth dmg Bonus has been removed from Khajiit. The crit bonus isnt compensation this. The Shadow Mundus has been buffed. I dont use it but it is not enough to explain what you say.

Before this patch I hit for 10-12k snipes on squishy ppl with no impen, 5-8k on decent Players with impen. after this patch it's pretty much the same and it is still impossible to kill good ppl with a build like this.

I personally have only been hit for 10k+ snipe in no cp for a single time and this was obviously a molag kena Setup. On my tank I think I never saw 8k+ even a single time with 7/7 impen and 27k res. Tbh I dont know what you are doing to get hit like this. With 30k Health ppl usually not even try to snipe me. Maybe the shadow Mundus is bugged. I should give it a try

Ragnarock41

DKsUnite wrote: »

Im getting hit with 10k snipes in BGs. Only seen them that high in CP pvp.

I've seen snipes up to 16k in CP before. You can obviously guess which class it was coming from.

Knootewoot

I was wearing HA, all impen, 30k resistance and 36k health. I just wanted to try this out.

I walked around near an enemy keep with no buffs up, except food. I saw something move.... and death.

4 attacks and enchantment just obliterated me. Now try this in light armor...

Marcus684

Snipe + NB was broken a few patches ago. ZOS probably rebroke it. Color me surprised.

Skander

I can agree on one thing. Resistences are doing too little or penetration is doing too much

wheem_ESO

It doesn't have anything to do with resistances, but I did eat 2,649 damage from a single tick of a Werewolf Bleed yesterday, which seems a bit...excessive.

Nemeliom

10k snipes? Meh... Rookies

Noctus

i rly dont get it i never die to snipes infact people using it are the greatest fodder for my score. can u make a video of that pls becouse on EU the people sniping are victims so i try to get an idea of it. becouse currently i jsut dont understand the problem.

Crixus8000

Noctus wrote: »

i rly dont get it i never die to snipes infact people using it are the greatest fodder for my score. can u make a video of that pls becouse on EU the people sniping are victims so i try to get an idea of it. becouse currently i jsut dont understand the problem.

Same thing people say about bleeds. It's not something you die to, but when outnumbered and a guy is spamming 10k hits from a huge distance away that is adding major defile while his friends constantly cc/snare you it can be pretty annoying, and often lead to a death. If I am solo and outnumbered I can't think of anything else that puts me so much on the defensive.

Noctus

Crixus8000 wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

i rly dont get it i never die to snipes infact people using it are the greatest fodder for my score. can u make a video of that pls becouse on EU the people sniping are victims so i try to get an idea of it. becouse currently i jsut dont understand the problem.

Same thing people say about bleeds. It's not something you die to, but when outnumbered and a guy is spamming 10k hits from a huge distance away that is adding major defile while his friends constantly cc/snare you it can be pretty annoying, and often lead to a death. If I am solo and outnumbered I can't think of anything else that puts me so much on the defensive.

i didnt notice any change in damage. lightarmored people still die like flies and heavy armor healer can still hold of 3 people.
if it changed then definately for the better if it comes to high end mmr pvp where everyone hitting each other with wet noodles (its rly no fun at all).

if its such a successfull tactic to snipe then by all means go try it. eventually u will meet experienced people who counter that and so u will learn what to do when ur the one beeing sniped.(with "you" i dont mean u personally but rather the people that think its OP). im talking as a magicka main here.

Crixus8000

Noctus wrote: »

i didnt notice any change in damage. lightarmored people still die like flies and heavy armor healer can still hold of 3 people.
if it changed then definately for the better if it comes to high end mmr pvp where everyone hitting each other with wet noodles (its rly no fun at all).

if its such a successfull tactic to snipe then by all means go try it. eventually u will meet experienced people who counter that and so u will learn what to do when ur the one beeing sniped.(with "you" i dont mean u personally but rather the people that think its OP). im talking as a magicka main here.

I play no cp so some things are different, and no one hits like a wet noodle here, damage is very high.

And Snipe in 1v1 is completely useless, but I mean it's strong in xv1, and of course most things are but snipe does ult level damage and applies major defile, that is not weak, it's damn strong, it's just niche and unfortunately works crazy good when people outnumber someone. And the fact the the sniper is probably highly unskillked and squishy means less when you need to run through a whole group of players and try to hold them off whiletrying to kill the sniper while hes spamming cloak and roll.

Noctus

Crixus8000 wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

i didnt notice any change in damage. lightarmored people still die like flies and heavy armor healer can still hold of 3 people.
if it changed then definately for the better if it comes to high end mmr pvp where everyone hitting each other with wet noodles (its rly no fun at all).

if its such a successfull tactic to snipe then by all means go try it. eventually u will meet experienced people who counter that and so u will learn what to do when ur the one beeing sniped.(with "you" i dont mean u personally but rather the people that think its OP). im talking as a magicka main here.

I play no cp so some things are different, and no one hits like a wet noodle here, damage is very high.

And Snipe in 1v1 is completely useless, but I mean it's strong in xv1, and of course most things are but snipe does ult level damage and applies major defile, that is not weak, it's damn strong, it's just niche and unfortunately works crazy good when people outnumber someone. And the fact the the sniper is probably highly unskillked and squishy means less when you need to run through a whole group of players and try to hold them off whiletrying to kill the sniper while hes spamming cloak and roll.

on which server are u ? snipe is only good when ur team is unorginized and run like headless chickens around the battlefield. i personally allways keep on touch through chat with the group and tell them what we gotta do and when we gotta group up again. i also allways keep an eye on heavy hitters or healers on enemy team. target prioritisation is a huge thing.

this is the score of the match. red team had 2 nightbows and dk to cc people and they couldnt win. whenever they showed up 2 of us immadiately hunted them down.

u gotta be aware that invisibility is not something that just nightblades can utilize. sneak and wait till u see the first snipe. then rush (two hander or anything that can catapult u to them) and use radiant light. if ur a magicka user its even easier becouse u can utilize detection pots.

https://imgur.com/a/D1Myq9B

Crixus8000

Noctus wrote: »

on which server are u ? snipe is only good when ur team is unorginized and run like headless chickens around the battlefield. i personally allways keep on touch through chat with the group and tell them what we gotta do and when we gotta group up again. i also allways keep an eye on heavy hitters or healers on enemy team. target prioritisation is a huge thing.

this is the score of the match. red team had 2 nightbows and dk to cc people and they couldnt win. whenever they showed up 2 of us immadiately hunted them down.

u gotta be aware that invisibility is not something that just nightblades can utilize. sneak and wait till u see the first snipe. then rush (two hander or anything that can catapult u to them) and use radiant light. if ur a magicka user its even easier becouse u can utilize detection pots.

https://imgur.com/a/D1Myq9B

We are speaking about 2 different game types ^^ I didn't mean bgs, I was talking about open world, when I'm solo and multiple players are focusing me. In bgs I have no issues with snipe at all because I have a team too and it's 100x easier to handle when it's only 4 people and the snipers have nothing to hide behined.

Noctus

Crixus8000 wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

on which server are u ? snipe is only good when ur team is unorginized and run like headless chickens around the battlefield. i personally allways keep on touch through chat with the group and tell them what we gotta do and when we gotta group up again. i also allways keep an eye on heavy hitters or healers on enemy team. target prioritisation is a huge thing.

this is the score of the match. red team had 2 nightbows and dk to cc people and they couldnt win. whenever they showed up 2 of us immadiately hunted them down.

u gotta be aware that invisibility is not something that just nightblades can utilize. sneak and wait till u see the first snipe. then rush (two hander or anything that can catapult u to them) and use radiant light. if ur a magicka user its even easier becouse u can utilize detection pots.

https://imgur.com/a/D1Myq9B

We are speaking about 2 different game types ^^ I didn't mean bgs, I was talking about open world, when I'm solo and multiple players are focusing me. In bgs I have no issues with snipe at all because I have a team too and it's 100x easier to handle when it's only 4 people and the snipers have nothing to hide behined.

ooohhh sry in open world im not as experienced to judge anything. so i wont argue there.

bardx86

It's way more fun now.

Anyron

this thread istn only about snipe guys.

snipe can be deadly if caught in bad situations but there isnt anything wrong just with it. All damage is now somehow weird. maybe it has something about crt multipliers in noCP

yesterday i got hit by over 8k subterrain assault ( damage was over 8k but i dont remember exact number now and because i am in work i can post that screenshot here in few hours, it also was 2nd or 3rd skill on my death recap so it wasnt finisher)

that was with 19k armor and 7 impen pieces in noCP

Noctus

Anyron wrote: »

this thread istn only about snipe guys.

snipe can be deadly if caught in bad situations but there isnt anything wrong just with it. All damage is now somehow weird. maybe it has something about crt multipliers in noCP

yesterday i got hit by over 8k subterrain assault ( damage was over 8k but i dont remember exact number now and because i am in work i can post that screenshot here in few hours, it also was 2nd or 3rd skill on my death recap so it wasnt finisher)

that was with 19k armor and 7 impen pieces in noCP

as i said im spending a *** ammount of time in battleground and i didnt notice anything. i have to call tinfoil on this one

SkysOutThizeOut

They’ve changed some damage to additive from multiplicative. Fire damage hits vamps 10% harder than patch.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/462033/magdks-vs-vamps-nbs-received-a-damage-boost-in-wrathstone-vulnerability-calculation-changes#latest