Do you think bleeds and oblivion damage should be removed completely from the game?

chetter_hummin

Imo they should dissappear. The damage is way to high even for cp campaigns. In no cp u can literally kill just with procs,especially if u are stamblade and your procs and bleeds hit more cause of încap.
U will say bleeds is a way to counter heavy armor. Heavy armor is still the best counter to bleeds because of healing received and health regen. And to avoid heavy armor builds in pvp just make all damage heavy armor sets medium, but this is another topic.

shases

No, but nerf bleeds using battle spirit to not mess with pve dps.

I feel like a lot of things could be balanced through Battle Spirit that are currently untouched, maybe even a different Battle Spirit for CP/ non-CP campaigns.

I get that the devs want to keep a first order optimal strategy in place for more inexperienced players, but it feels like there's no real incentive to really learn anything else when you can get carried by procs, in non-CP at least. You even see a lot of good players just pile on cancer sets because it's more bang for your buck than other options. But this is just my opinion, not claiming to be some pvp-guru here.

Rikumaru

Yes, remove bleeds from game.

Bleeds and oblivion damage is a bandaid fix for super tanky high damaging / healing builds. Infact, it makes the problem worse as such builds can go super tanky and rely on such things to deal damage and the people who then have to deal with this is the more squishy medium builds.

frostz417

No, but nerf bleeds using battle spirit to not mess with pve dps.

They need to just quit nerfing abilities that screw over pve and just implement such things into battle spirit. Like decreasing all damage and healing from proc sets by 50% since proc sets shouldn’t even be in the game.

Karmanorway

No, they are fine as they are, it's just a l2p issue.

Purge/Outheal/Mistform/Cloak

Or burst him down quick before u die.

(I play a bleed build NB, and SnB stamplar)

chetter_hummin

Yes, remove bleeds from game.

outheal incap with major defile and slashes in no cp.. good one! not to say slashes cost 1/4 of purge and only templar can purge negative effects in solo, small scale as curse eater has been nerfed to the ground from pts

Seraphayel

No.

The problem is ZOS balancing skills [Error 404: Not Found] and not bleeds, oblivion damage or proc sets.

Diundriel

No, they are fine as they are, it's just a l2p issue.

bleeds and oblivion Damage arent that bad atm.
sth that makes it look like a Problem is overperformance of master axes in non cp, i guess.

srfrogg23

No, they need to be buffed so I can just do rending slashes on enemy and he dies instant!

MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

TheValar85

No, they are fine as they are, it's just a l2p issue.

Oblivion dsoent need Nerf. Poison arrow how ever should be nerfed.

validifyedneb18_ESO

Yes, remove bleeds from game.

As a HUGE fan of bleed builds and the bleed playstyle, I think ive finally decided that bleeds (as a damage type) should just be removed.

Replace them with normal, physical damage, dots. Bleed builds can stack penetration just like everyone else. And it will allow for bleeds to stop getting nerfed all the time, and maybe even be buffed again.

Edit: Take the ultimate REND for example. It works and feels just like a bleed. But its not a bleed. It dishes out *** loads of DPS compared to all other bleeds because it hasn't been nerfed to the ground (Because it doesn't need to be nerfed when its not got 100% pen baked in). And if I want to play a bleed build that uses rend? I STILL need to stack pen for rend, even if the "rest" of the bleeds dont need any of that pen.

Edit2: Blooddrinker becomes a physical damage dot buff set, similar to the new Deadly Strikes but only for physical.

Diundriel

No, they are fine as they are, it's just a l2p issue.

i agree, snipe is much more annoying than bleeds

TheValar85

No, they are fine as they are, it's just a l2p issue.

INB4Lock Before ZOS decied to destroy another build in this game and taiking away fun from players.

Emma_Overload

Yes, remove bleeds from game.

LOL at the 50% crutching on this crap. Oblivion damage is a joke and never should have been available to players. Bleeds are almost as bad thanks to overpowered gear like the Masters axes.

Silver_Strider

Bleeds are fine
Oblivion is cancer

NinchiTV

No, because i enjoy watching heavy armor builds panic when the dots get overwhelming and they cant sit in their rune - not even moving, spamming BoL and cleanse or holding block and not even try to fight back. Oh and oblivion damage vs a magsorc/magnb is fun too, thinking theyre safe spamming their shields.

r34lian

No, they are fine as they are, it's just a l2p issue.

Another pvp whine thread I'm saying this pvp will be the main reason for the fall of this game!!

Wing

Yes, remove bleeds from game.

I said remove but they more need a rework. right now they bypass all damage resistances and do flat damage to health, that's obviously pretty strong but I think the "why" of the design needs to be looked at.

if it was to help combat tanks by bleeding them and bypassing there resistances it needs to be % health damage over time so it does not reck low HP builds while still not able to deal with tanks (who have a lot of health)

bleeds should also never have been boosted in such a way like the master weapons, the trade off for ignoring all forms of defenses and resistances should be much lower damage.


PERSONALLY I would change bleed to a status effect so it cannot be stacked and have the status effect be a flat % max health damage over time. (capped for pve mobs so boss fights or not trivial lol)
as for oblivion enchants I would either cap the damage at a certain % of the targets max health OR simply have the enchant do % max health damage being like 5-10% based on enchant quality. that might seem like a lot but considering average HP in cyro is 20k-25k doing 2k damage every few seconds is surprisingly nothing, but it would be consistent.

you could also do % current health (it would be like demi magic from FF) and have the % be higher the tradeoff being it will do less to no damage as the enemy gets weaker.

but that's how I would handle it. right now bleeds are dumb.

Jeremy

When they are stacked like horizontal skyscrapers they can get ridiculous.

Jeremy

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

No, because i enjoy watching heavy armor builds panic when the dots get overwhelming and they cant sit in their rune - not even moving, spamming BoL and cleanse or holding block and not even try to fight back. Oh and oblivion damage vs a magsorc/magnb is fun too, thinking theyre safe spamming their shields.

How is a "tank" going to spam breath of life and cleanse while holding block?

I'll have to see that one before I believe it. Spamming breath of life exhausts even my healer's mp pool in a matter of moments. I can just imagine what it does to a tank's - especially one with enough stamina to hold block the whole time while doing it.

rabidmyers

No, but nerf bleeds using battle spirit to not mess with pve dps.

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Qbiken

No, they are fine as they are, it's just a l2p issue.

Realised I picked the wrong option when deciding my vote.

Oblivion damage can be removed for all that I care. Bleeds should be individually adjusted depending on the source. Certain specs like werewolf wouldn´t be viable in both PvP and PvE without bleed damage.

oxygen_thief

No, but nerf bleeds using battle spirit to not mess with pve dps.

Soul19reaper wrote: »

Another pvp whine thread I'm saying this pvp will be the main reason for the fall of this game!!

stupid stubborn devs will do it.

TheValar85

No, they are fine as they are, it's just a l2p issue.

Al i can see is Remove, rework, Nerf OMG what do you want from ZOS? To make this game an utter dull hole? where you have no more gear and skills just a stic and your toon and thats the only thing what you can use? siriusly people get some fresh air Oblivion Damage is work as intended. It is not bugged. And it dosent need to be nerfed. Do you gyus realy want to dump this game down so hardly that basicly only the mele will be teh viable class for this game? or what? What do you want else do you want ? remove every class and race and skills and only leav one spec and race viable? becasue at thsi point i see thats the next destination

you can play your expert card on this game and explaining BS into your reasons whiel clearly Oblivion damage hase nothing to do with your lack of playing skills against oblivion damages. this rant against the oblivion damage is pathetic Remove this remove that nerf this nerf that. OMG guys. Learn the mechanics and admopt it.

There are tons of other issues what needs to fixed ages ago yet no one is adressing them Oh and btw dont even bother opening threads and pools like this about oblivion damage. BEcasue its not going to happen. even ZOS knows betetr how to deal against oblivion damage dealer players in situations. So Do your homework instead of asking for another nonsense from teh developers. Whiel teh game is flooded still with bugs, performance issues, and so on.

What more do you want to strip from this game? until it bacme a Hello Kitty Adventure Game in ESO enviroment? LOL.

Gilvoth

No, they are fine as they are, it's just a l2p issue.

stop asking for nerfs.
ruining the game for all of us
pve and pvp

NinchiTV

Jeremy wrote: »

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

No, because i enjoy watching heavy armor builds panic when the dots get overwhelming and they cant sit in their rune - not even moving, spamming BoL and cleanse or holding block and not even try to fight back. Oh and oblivion damage vs a magsorc/magnb is fun too, thinking theyre safe spamming their shields.

How is a "tank" going to spam breath of life and cleanse while holding block?

I'll have to see that one before I believe it. Spamming breath of life exhausts even my healer's mp pool in a matter of moments. I can just imagine what it does to a tank's - especially one with enough stamina to hold block the whole time while doing it.

you havent come across those magplars with 30k+ hp, who hold block, and BoL spam? I guess im just lucky enough to run into those players.

Rohamad_Ali

Some players would never die without them . Players that don't die cause laggy battles .

sevomd69

I personally think they should remove anything that kills me....

Wuuffyy

No, they are fine as they are, it's just a l2p issue.

sevomd69 wrote: »

I personally think they should remove anything that kills me....

Agreed. Unless I’m currently running that thing.

ToRelax

Balance bleeds to actually make them inferior to other DoTs against low resistance targets, then they can be balanced. Otherwise they just simply outperform alternatives. That, or switch them to standard physical damage.

Oblivion damage doesn't serve any function for balance, is useless in PvE and vastly more powerful in no CP than CP PvP. It could be simply removed right now and the game would be better off for it.

Alucardo

My main issue is they are too inexpensive. Light attack here, cheap af skill there, and boom, enjoy your practically free 10-12k bleed stacks for doing jack.
If you want the convenience of cutting right through someone's armor and shields, completely ignoring their mitigation, then you should have to pay for the privilege. I don't want to graze my elbow on your little axe and see a 6k bleed in my recap.