Maintenance for the week of December 22:
• NA megaservers for maintenance – December 22, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 8:00AM EST (13:00 UTC)
• EU megaservers for maintenance – December 22, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 8:00AM EST (13:00 UTC)
• NA megaservers for maintenance – December 22, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 8:00AM EST (13:00 UTC)
• EU megaservers for maintenance – December 22, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 8:00AM EST (13:00 UTC)
Non Snipe Bow/Bow build for PVP
JobooAGS
✭✭✭✭✭
✭
✭
I have a non-snipe based pvp bow build that I think is interesting
Race:
Redguard, Khajiit, Bosmer, Imperial, Dunmer, Orc all of these work
Class: Nightblade
Food: Arteaum Takeaway Broth or Dubious Cameron Throne (For Khajiit, Orc, Imperial, Dunmer) Max Stam + HP food For Redguard and Bosmer
Gear: Spriggans, Battlefield Acrobat, Bloodspawn, Master Bow backbar, Spriggans Bow front bar
Jewelry glyphs and traits all infused and weapon damage
Armor glyphs and traits big pieces tri stat rest stam. I prefer 7 inpen 1:5:1 LMH, but you can run up to 3 well fitted
Bars:
Front bar: infused with choice of enchant
Crushing weapon (main spammable, gives a heal, easy to sustain, also has its own version of bow proc, shield, and major protection via psjjic skill line )
Relentless focus (bow procs and extra regen)
Draining shot (amazing ranged cc and burst heal, in fact I think it is the only non ult ranged stam cc there is other than stealth and templar javelin, bugs on this skill are fixed, so you can use it without feeling scummy)
Resolving vigor (obvs reasons, can swap with Cloak on back bar)
Flex spot (can be Shadow Imageor Mass Hysteriafor when people get too close, but I prefer, Leeching Strikes for extra sustain and heals)
Ult: 1. Flawless Dawnbreaker(mainly here for the weapon damage and to finish off low hp oppoments in melee range) 2. Incap
Back bar: Infused, weapon damage enchant
Piercing Mark (use for major fracture and to reveal those other pesky nightblades, there can only be 1!)
Shuffle (25% aoe dmg mitigation and 2.5 sec snare removal is huge)
Cloak (can swap with Vigor on front bar, main escape tool, if you use blue food or are an orc, you can use Dark Cloak for a more brawler like play style)
Channeled focus (36 seconds of minor force for max damage, psjjic passives and 9 second major expedition speed boost)
Poison injection (nasty dot+ execute also procs master bow)
Ult: 1. Ballista (amazing single target ult, though a bit expensive sitting at 175 ult for it's base cost, but at 164 ult with B.A., redguard brings the cost down to 151 though) 2. Soul siphon (op nb heal, seriously >10k burst + >30k over 4 seconds + more due to major vitality, if you use Incap instead of fdb and ballista, slot this, it will save your life)
You will use brutailty stam potions. 3rd effect is up to you. I prefer Crit, which is Blessed Thistle, Dragonthorn, and Wormwood/Water Hyacinth
Mundus: The Warrior (though The Shadow can be a good choice to negate some crit resists, if you feel you don't need the extra weapon dmg)
Thoughts?
Edited by JobooAGS on March 1, 2019 11:24PM Race:
Redguard, Khajiit, Bosmer, Imperial, Dunmer, Orc all of these work
Class: Nightblade
Food: Arteaum Takeaway Broth or Dubious Cameron Throne (For Khajiit, Orc, Imperial, Dunmer) Max Stam + HP food For Redguard and Bosmer
Gear: Spriggans, Battlefield Acrobat, Bloodspawn, Master Bow backbar, Spriggans Bow front bar
Jewelry glyphs and traits all infused and weapon damage
Armor glyphs and traits big pieces tri stat rest stam. I prefer 7 inpen 1:5:1 LMH, but you can run up to 3 well fitted
Bars:
Front bar: infused with choice of enchant
Crushing weapon (main spammable, gives a heal, easy to sustain, also has its own version of bow proc, shield, and major protection via psjjic skill line )
Relentless focus (bow procs and extra regen)
Draining shot (amazing ranged cc and burst heal, in fact I think it is the only non ult ranged stam cc there is other than stealth and templar javelin, bugs on this skill are fixed, so you can use it without feeling scummy)
Resolving vigor (obvs reasons, can swap with Cloak on back bar)
Flex spot (can be Shadow Imageor Mass Hysteriafor when people get too close, but I prefer, Leeching Strikes for extra sustain and heals)
Ult: 1. Flawless Dawnbreaker(mainly here for the weapon damage and to finish off low hp oppoments in melee range) 2. Incap
Back bar: Infused, weapon damage enchant
Piercing Mark (use for major fracture and to reveal those other pesky nightblades, there can only be 1!)
Shuffle (25% aoe dmg mitigation and 2.5 sec snare removal is huge)
Cloak (can swap with Vigor on front bar, main escape tool, if you use blue food or are an orc, you can use Dark Cloak for a more brawler like play style)
Channeled focus (36 seconds of minor force for max damage, psjjic passives and 9 second major expedition speed boost)
Poison injection (nasty dot+ execute also procs master bow)
Ult: 1. Ballista (amazing single target ult, though a bit expensive sitting at 175 ult for it's base cost, but at 164 ult with B.A., redguard brings the cost down to 151 though) 2. Soul siphon (op nb heal, seriously >10k burst + >30k over 4 seconds + more due to major vitality, if you use Incap instead of fdb and ballista, slot this, it will save your life)
You will use brutailty stam potions. 3rd effect is up to you. I prefer Crit, which is Blessed Thistle, Dragonthorn, and Wormwood/Water Hyacinth
Mundus: The Warrior (though The Shadow can be a good choice to negate some crit resists, if you feel you don't need the extra weapon dmg)
Thoughts?
2
-
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not bad. I used something similar on my no-Snipe bow NB for a time, though I went with Bow/2H, as the heals from Rally were too good to give up. Also, I used Spriggans, Marksman (excellent sustain almost on par with BA, plus bonus bow damage), 1pc Kena, 1pc Domihaus. I don’t really like Bloodspawn on medium bow builds, as you ideally want to minimize your damage taken through dodge rolling and whatnot.
If you’re using your build in BGs, consider swapping Draining Shot for Bombard (esp. if you try out 2H backbar for Rally heals). Really helps when you’re outnumbered, and it’s the morph no one expects. I’ve gotten hilarious rage tells over Bombard.0 -
ATomiX96✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thoughts?
You might be able to kill the average cyrodiil joe with this build, but for anything beyond that youll have a hard time moving their hp bar.
Against DKs you can just run away with this build.
No rally = If you get caught in melee range you die in seconds, vigor isnt strong to be your only heal in medium armor, cloak wont save you either with all the aoe spam these days.
Bow/Bow just cant compete with melee builds.
Especially on nightblade which has the strongest class spammable, its a huge waste of potential to go full ranged.1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Thoughts?
You might be able to kill the average cyrodiil joe with this build, but for anything beyond that youll have a hard time moving their hp bar.
Against DKs you can just run away with this build.
No rally = If you get caught in melee range you die in seconds, vigor isnt strong to be your only heal in medium armor, cloak wont save you either with all the aoe spam these days.
Bow/Bow just cant compete with melee builds.
Especially on nightblade which has the strongest class spammable, its a huge waste of potential to go full ranged.
It depends on the type of PVP. Ranged stamNBs can succeed in BGs without Snipe. I agree, though, that it’s suicide in Cyrodiil against competent groups (esp. in CP campaigns).Edited by Aurielle on March 2, 2019 1:42PM0 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thoughts?
You might be able to kill the average cyrodiil joe with this build, but for anything beyond that youll have a hard time moving their hp bar.
Against DKs you can just run away with this build.
No rally = If you get caught in melee range you die in seconds, vigor isnt strong to be your only heal in medium armor, cloak wont save you either with all the aoe spam these days.
Bow/Bow just cant compete with melee builds.
Especially on nightblade which has the strongest class spammable, its a huge waste of potential to go full ranged.
Crushing weapon (as well as ele weapon for mag builds) and ballista still works wonders on dks and you still apply the poison injection dot on them even when reflected (you can avoid the reflection by immeditely dodging after casting) plus you still have the hots from crushing and leeching (dark cloak too if you so choose) and the burst heal from draining for non dk targets, or when the dk doesn't have wings up.
I do admit, this build isn't the best in all situations (no build is) but it allows you to get creative as to how you can pick out and exploit the weaknesses of other builds. Yes you do have to be more careful with groups and to an extent some melee builds.
I do have a melee nightblade that even on that I'm trying out new ways to play it ie. dw/bow while still having that 2h skill line/bars and weapons ready in case things aren't going too well.
In bgs I usually do well to amazing in them and Im usually up against dks and sorcs melee wise, the trick is to kite and stay out of the 22m range for gap closers unless you have a ballista ready. If you are in a group, support with vigor heals, mark the gank/snipeblade and cc people too close or whoever they are focusing on
For whatever reason, either I'm stupid or the forums aren't letting me post my screenshots of a few bgs, I have done. You can pm me if you want to see some.0 -
thedude33✭✭✭✭✭I've seen crushing weapon in a couple of builds or included in a damage rotation. I haven't had any luck using it. I do more damage with straight light attacks rather than trying to weave in crushing weapon. The 2 second use time makes it almost impossible to use as part of a damage combo, although some claim it works for them.0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've seen crushing weapon in a couple of builds or included in a damage rotation. I haven't had any luck using it. I do more damage with straight light attacks rather than trying to weave in crushing weapon. The 2 second use time makes it almost impossible to use as part of a damage combo, although some claim it works for them.
The use time is equivalent to a standard spammable as far as GCD line up is concerned. It functions no differently especial with a lure bow build you absolutely want to maintain hawkeye stacks.
The only difference is at the very start where the damage is shifted to the beging of the next GCD so you dont use it for openers. But as far as combos go its actually better for burst combos becuase the skill delivers its damage at the light attack right before an ability use so the damage window between crushing weapon and an execute is closer together.
The ACTUAL problem with crushing weapon is its overall damage value is marginally lower than other "spamables" until you fire off psyjic orbs passives at which point it becomes a respectable weaving ability in longer rotations and not so great at short bursts where the orbs would fall.Edited by exeeter702 on March 2, 2019 10:54PM1 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Thoughts?
You might be able to kill the average cyrodiil joe with this build, but for anything beyond that youll have a hard time moving their hp bar.
Against DKs you can just run away with this build.
No rally = If you get caught in melee range you die in seconds, vigor isnt strong to be your only heal in medium armor, cloak wont save you either with all the aoe spam these days.
Bow/Bow just cant compete with melee builds.
Especially on nightblade which has the strongest class spammable, its a huge waste of potential to go full ranged.
Crushing weapon (as well as ele weapon for mag builds) and ballista still works wonders on dks and you still apply the poison injection dot on them even when reflected (you can avoid the reflection by immeditely dodging after casting) plus you still have the hots from crushing and leeching (dark cloak too if you so choose) and the burst heal from draining for non dk targets, or when the dk doesn't have wings up.
I do admit, this build isn't the best in all situations (no build is) but it allows you to get creative as to how you can pick out and exploit the weaknesses of other builds. Yes you do have to be more careful with groups and to an extent some melee builds.
I do have a melee nightblade that even on that I'm trying out new ways to play it ie. dw/bow while still having that 2h skill line/bars and weapons ready in case things aren't going too well.
In bgs I usually do well to amazing in them and Im usually up against dks and sorcs melee wise, the trick is to kite and stay out of the 22m range for gap closers unless you have a ballista ready. If you are in a group, support with vigor heals, mark the gank/snipeblade and cc people too close or whoever they are focusing on
For whatever reason, either I'm stupid or the forums aren't letting me post my screenshots of a few bgs, I have done. You can pm me if you want to see some.
Some misinformation there I just want to clear up...
Crushing/Ele do not work with bow/staff light attacks vs wings. No damage occurs at all, not on the dk or reflected back. It just disappears. Spaghetti code.
The Poison Injection DOT does NOT apply to the Dk with wings, but it will still apply to you if you get hit with the reflected projectile.
Therefore all he could reliably do against a Dk with that build is Mark and spam Acid Spray until the Dk gets angry and he has to Cloak and run away.
I played bow/2h stamplar for a long time in BGs. One thing I will say is that your life becomes MUCH easier if you use Eternal Hunt and either morph of FG Trap (or Mani Terror). 5pc Marksman is another huge boon but it would be a lot less damage vs Spriggan. I found that Rally was a must for me but with Cloak you can occasionally deal with not having the burst heal.
0