PC/EU - Guild store market is being heavily manipulated (corn flower, spell pots and tempers)

bharathitman

By this time it should be obvious to most end game raiders or people who are playing seriously that some weird things are going on when it comes to

1. Spell Power Pots
2. Corn Flower
3. Dreugh Waxes

A single individual with loads of gold is going around and buying all the stacks of pots, corn flower and waxes. Prices are through the roof now, people are buying Corn Flower at like 600g per unit and spell power pots are very hard to find. Dreugh Wax prices have shot up from 4k ish to 7k now.
The lack of easy access to spell power pots have unintended consequences to people who don't have a huge stock pile. This is adversely affecting mag dd's who want to train / progress through a trial. I and many of my guild mates think twice before bringing a mag dd to a raid.
I know it's an open market and people can do whatever they want, but this is getting out of hand

redspecter23

The market can only handle so much of this unless there is a very limited supply. It will crash at some point.

I've noticed similar with Dreugh Wax on PC/NA the last few days. I was attributing it at least partly to the lack of Awesome Guild Store and people not wanting to go through the hassle of digging through their bag to post mats, saving them until AGS is fixed. I might be off on that and there is probably something else to it as well.

Tasear

Just go to imperial city and get something to some. Make it an guild event and stock up for guild too.

West1389

Wait this cant happen, it only happens in the auction house.

bharathitman

Tasear wrote: »

Just go to imperial city and get something to some. Make it an guild event and stock up for guild too.

The stuff that you get out of the apothecary parcels and alchemy surveys is again based on RNG. Spending hours to farm corn flower just so that I can make pots for my raids is just not a great use of everyone's time don't you think.

Taleof2Cities

bharathitman wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Just go to imperial city and get something to some. Make it an guild event and stock up for guild too.

The stuff that you get out of the apothecary parcels and alchemy surveys is again based on RNG. Spending hours to farm corn flower just so that I can make pots for my raids is just not a great use of everyone's time don't you think.

Are you whining now?

Because you’re not the only guild in the game that faces the challenge of securing pots for raid.

Though most guilds leave it to the player to pick up their own pots, there are other options besides guild stores and farming:

- Crafting Writs (these are a good source ... since they sometimes contain surveys)
- Dark Brotherhood Shadowy Supplier
- Trading Players for other mats or gear
- Imperial City trade merchants (uses tel var)
- PvP Daily

It’s probably a little unfair for the guild to put potions for raid on just one player.

But, if you are that player, think outside of the box on where to obtain the necessary ingredients.

Prof_Bawbag

Dreugh Waxes could be something to do with the necromancer class. Buy a lot of it cheap when it's, well erm, eh, cheap, then sell it when every man and his budgie are going crazy making new gear for their new class. I'm buying a lot of dust very cheap so I can make a killing on xp pots once the chapter arrives.

Shantu

On the PC/NA server this has been happening with many hard to get things like Perfect Roe, Alchemy mats, legendary tempers and rosin, Dreugh wax, gold platings (which are now about 85K), etc. There's been about a 30% increase in all these things. Whenever I need to buy anything I used to have baseline prices I paid for this stuff which I wouldn't exceed. Now those old baselines have gone up way up. Fortunately I have 6 max level crafters and have always done some mat farming as part of my game. But some things, like Perfect Roe, because I just don't have the time to sit around waiting for RNG and a fishing pole to bob, I have to buy. I hope this isn't a trend. Some of these prices are just getting absurd. It's becoming a rich players market, which is a shame. But until people refuse to pay these prices, things won't change.

starkerealm

redspecter23 wrote: »

The market can only handle so much of this unless there is a very limited supply. It will crash at some point.

I've noticed similar with Dreugh Wax on PC/NA the last few days. I was attributing it at least partly to the lack of Awesome Guild Store and people not wanting to go through the hassle of digging through their bag to post mats, saving them until AGS is fixed. I might be off on that and there is probably something else to it as well.

There was a rumor going around that the Dreugh Wax drop rate was being reduced with Wrathstone. I haven't seen it personally (my drop rate seems pretty normal), but it's possible that we're seeing the effects of that change in the wild.

redspecter23

starkerealm wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

The market can only handle so much of this unless there is a very limited supply. It will crash at some point.

I've noticed similar with Dreugh Wax on PC/NA the last few days. I was attributing it at least partly to the lack of Awesome Guild Store and people not wanting to go through the hassle of digging through their bag to post mats, saving them until AGS is fixed. I might be off on that and there is probably something else to it as well.

There was a rumor going around that the Dreugh Wax drop rate was being reduced with Wrathstone. I haven't seen it personally (my drop rate seems pretty normal), but it's possible that we're seeing the effects of that change in the wild.

I haven't noticed a change in drop rates, but any rise in price could happen after any large bot banning sweep from ZOS. We tend to get used to certain prices that are artificially low due to botting. If the botting goes away or is slowed down, the prices are bound to go up.

Saucy_Jack

PSSSSSST: farm mats.

Čičiliusku

Corn flowers are waiting for you on the fields. Meet them up, before someone else gets them.

Tasear

bharathitman wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Just go to imperial city and get something to some. Make it an guild event and stock up for guild too.

The stuff that you get out of the apothecary parcels and alchemy surveys is again based on RNG. Spending hours to farm corn flower just so that I can make pots for my raids is just not a great use of everyone's time don't you think.

Well aniversity is coming so artificial inflation won't last long.

midgetfromtheshire

bharathitman wrote: »

By this time it should be obvious to most end game raiders or people who are playing seriously that some weird things are going on when it comes to

1. Spell Power Pots
2. Corn Flower
3. Dreugh Waxes

A single individual with loads of gold is going around and buying all the stacks of pots, corn flower and waxes. Prices are through the roof now, people are buying Corn Flower at like 600g per unit and spell power pots are very hard to find. Dreugh Wax prices have shot up from 4k ish to 7k now.
The lack of easy access to spell power pots have unintended consequences to people who don't have a huge stock pile. This is adversely affecting mag dd's who want to train / progress through a trial. I and many of my guild mates think twice before bringing a mag dd to a raid.
I know it's an open market and people can do whatever they want, but this is getting out of hand

You can always go out and farm for the mats yourself instead of buying it from traders?

daemonios

The economy in ESO is kind of an afterthought. Most BiS gear can't be traded except within the group during whose run it dropped, yet some very desirable tradeable gear can only be obtained from PvP activities, not PvE. There is no balancing of rewards whatsoever (see Master Writs, even though it would be trivial to average the cost of their raw materials and normalise the writ voucher reward around it). And yes, there's this myth that AH is Bad and guild traders are Good because an AH is easily manipulated, when anyone can see the manipulation at work in ESO right now.

Want to prevent market manipulation? Prevent reselling of items obtained through a trader, or lock them out of trading for an extended period of time.

medhma

I'm not sure if the drop rate of Dreugh Wax decreased, but heard people complaining. However you should keep in mind that the drop rate from refining wasn't great and certainly not 1/100, it was more like 1/200 or even 1/300, and since it is pure rng it happened for me so many time were I get 1/1000 or sometime even worse, so the only reason the price was low was because of bots.

I have to agree that the price overall have been rising, I think maybe crown gifting is contributing, but most likely some bots banning is the major raison as for buying and reselling isn't exactly new and sadly the current system doesn't prevent it.

Finally; if you find the price too high just go farm, if you value your time so highly so does farmers don't blame them for the price going up, personally I have few hundred of said mats have been saving them for months since the price was too low too much effort for low profit but currently I see a raison to sell

Ri_Khan

Dreugh wax is probably in demand because of the recent changes. Everyone's adapting to the new racials, lot's of new sets being crafted and such. That other stuff though, sounds like you EU folks need to go pick some flowers.

ShadowPaladin

bharathitman wrote: »

By this time it should be obvious to most end game raiders or people who are playing seriously that some weird things are going on when it comes to

1. Spell Power Pots
2. Corn Flower
3. Dreugh Waxes

A single individual with loads of gold is going around and buying all the stacks of pots, corn flower and waxes. Prices are through the roof now, people are buying Corn Flower at like 600g per unit and spell power pots are very hard to find. Dreugh Wax prices have shot up from 4k ish to 7k now.
The lack of easy access to spell power pots have unintended consequences to people who don't have a huge stock pile. This is adversely affecting mag dd's who want to train / progress through a trial. I and many of my guild mates think twice before bringing a mag dd to a raid.
I know it's an open market and people can do whatever they want, but this is getting out of hand

I don‘t know what you are talking about. I just checked the TTC Internet page for PC/EU and the prices for Corn Flowers are between 300g and 450g per Unit - as they were for the last few weeks. Spell Power Pots I can‘t say anything about, since I don‘t know what they were sold for in the past. Atm they are sold for 250g, up to 320g per Unit. Regarding the Dreugh Waxes, those have deffinitley increased in price, from 4,5k g up to 6k-6,5k g.

I don‘t know, but could it be that you were only searching Guildtraders at the major spots? If so, those are most of the time overpriced. Without that those Guilds wouldn‘t be able to afford those spots .


Best regards
Shadow

Iluvrien

bharathitman wrote: »

By this time it should be obvious to most end game raiders or people who are playing seriously that some weird things are going on when it comes to

1. Spell Power Pots
2. Corn Flower
3. Dreugh Waxes

A single individual with loads of gold is going around and buying all the stacks of pots, corn flower and waxes. Prices are through the roof now, people are buying Corn Flower at like 600g per unit and spell power pots are very hard to find. Dreugh Wax prices have shot up from 4k ish to 7k now.
The lack of easy access to spell power pots have unintended consequences to people who don't have a huge stock pile. This is adversely affecting mag dd's who want to train / progress through a trial. I and many of my guild mates think twice before bringing a mag dd to a raid.
I know it's an open market and people can do whatever they want, but this is getting out of hand

I sell a fair quantity of gold mats (I pick up every node I pass and refine).

My MM sell history is telling me something about your “single individual”... that is that they have lots of different names.

Good trick that.

starkerealm

redspecter23 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

The market can only handle so much of this unless there is a very limited supply. It will crash at some point.

I've noticed similar with Dreugh Wax on PC/NA the last few days. I was attributing it at least partly to the lack of Awesome Guild Store and people not wanting to go through the hassle of digging through their bag to post mats, saving them until AGS is fixed. I might be off on that and there is probably something else to it as well.

There was a rumor going around that the Dreugh Wax drop rate was being reduced with Wrathstone. I haven't seen it personally (my drop rate seems pretty normal), but it's possible that we're seeing the effects of that change in the wild.

I haven't noticed a change in drop rates, but any rise in price could happen after any large bot banning sweep from ZOS. We tend to get used to certain prices that are artificially low due to botting. If the botting goes away or is slowed down, the prices are bound to go up.

This is also possible. As @Ri_Khan suggested, it's also possible this is simply a demand spike, with the recent racial changes predominantly affecting mag builds. Now, generally speaking, I'd expect this would come along with a spike to Rosin, which I haven't seen, but I haven't been watching the market closely this week, for a number of reasons.

Sergykid

didn't notice, i never buy crafting stuff anyway

what i noticed though, is a sudden price increase for 3 piece jewelry. 1-2 months ago i struggled to sell an arcane willpower ring with 1k, both in zone chat or guild store. Now, i place one with 4k and sells in the same day

RamiroCruzo

The rise of Alliance Pots, time for PvP love.

Att1Tude

TL;DR

But I suggest you to level yourself and make pots by your own. No taxes that way.

kind_hero

I did not notice... and I have a few hundreds flowers and mats for spell potions

Billdor

bharathitman wrote: »

By this time it should be obvious to most end game raiders or people who are playing seriously that some weird things are going on when it comes to

1. Spell Power Pots
2. Corn Flower
3. Dreugh Waxes

A single individual with loads of gold is going around and buying all the stacks of pots, corn flower and waxes. Prices are through the roof now, people are buying Corn Flower at like 600g per unit and spell power pots are very hard to find. Dreugh Wax prices have shot up from 4k ish to 7k now.
The lack of easy access to spell power pots have unintended consequences to people who don't have a huge stock pile. This is adversely affecting mag dd's who want to train / progress through a trial. I and many of my guild mates think twice before bringing a mag dd to a raid.
I know it's an open market and people can do whatever they want, but this is getting out of hand

Good as a gold maker I am proud of him. He is capitilising on people's stupidity.

Want a solution on this? Don't buy it, simple as.

Vicarra

Is it really that the prices have gone up? Or is it that with Awesome Guild Store being unavailable for the time being, people just aren't listing crafting mats, and so all the cheaper ones are being bought out and not replaced?

I'm not the only one who's only listing non-mats until AGS is back, if my trade guild chats are anything to go by.

mcagatayg

people need to stop it with "JUST GO AND FARM LOOOOOOL", as a person who works 8 hours that is a really stupid thing to do, last thing i want before trials is to farm some flowers

Czekoludek

Less magicka pots on market because more and more ppl decided to be magicka dd, not stam. One of the flaws of the game design I think, difference in DPS between stam and mag is minimal on dummy but in fight that require high mobility (almost every hard fight released after clockwork city) the difference goes bigger

xMovingTarget

Can agree with prices changing. Since wrathstone patch the prices on many things shifts upwards.
To the example of spell power pots, I play mainly stamina these days. But when I went for pledges on my mDK I needed a few.
The supply was really bad. On top the stirs that had any sold for 250g per unit. So 25k for a 100 stack.
It's not the only item trending like this. Though, others are explainable. Example gold stamina food. Orcs want artaeum food.

Bhelen

I knew something fishy was going on when the all the lorkhans tears suddenly disappeared only to slowly come back at inflated prices...

Might just be confirmation bias here though - I've heard of people "flipping" things but to do it on a massive scale seems like it would take a ridiculous amount of capital, time, and organization.

Would be interesting to see some evidence that its actually being manipulated.

Enzym3

My experience of the current trade market (xbox NA) is that several of our largest traders are owned by the same people/have formed trade-alliance with eachother -this caused dreugh wax for example to go from 4k each to 6.5k-7k+ this all happened at the same time on 1 day about 3 or 4 weeks ago now (which i flat out refuse to pay and I am openly selling all materials at their proper price).

These same traders literally copy and paste their prices across the board but what they don't seem to understand is return business, i used to only buy from certain traders but when i realised what was going on, i just search for the cheapest seller across my usual go-to-zones, ill see the same trader listing ancestor silk for 15k per stack and 9k per stack.. makes no sense to me, i buy the 9k and move to the next seller.

Honestly though i feel all traders have been geared towards catching out noobs as of late, especially with ESO being on game pass for quite some time now.. ruby ash being sold for exactly the same price as.. ash, it's almost like window trading mastic instead of rosin etc, just gotta be on your guard like with anything while exchanging your hard earned for something.