Sorc pets still dying in dungeons

rothtwinsdad

Ran vet ruins of mazzutan yesterday on my sorc and both pets died repeatedly, when doing statues, from totems and just randomly. Spent more time summoning then dps'ing. I thought pets no longer took damage in dungeons and trials !! Is this a bug or intended?

alexj4596b14_ESO

rothtwinsdad wrote: »

Ran vet ruins of mazzutan yesterday on my sorc and both pets died repeatedly, when doing statues, from totems and just randomly. Spent more time summoning then dps'ing. I thought pets no longer took damage in dungeons and trials !! Is this a bug or intended?

The patch came out day should help with that.

RogueShark

It's not always a case of dying.
In Fang Lair, on the boss who summons the crystals, my Matriarch desummons REPEATEDLY. Over and over. Werewolf pets do the same (and then you have to die to get them to respawn or drop ult and remorph). There are some places where your pets seem to be triggered to despawn.
Super annoying.

zvavi

There are 4 places I am aware off where pets gets unsummoned.
1. WGT after first boss
2. Ruin's of mazzatun last boss. During the blind phase they SHOULD get unsummoned, but they also get unsummoned randomly.
3. Like previous comment said, during the boss that summons crystals in fang lair. This one is 100% bug.
4. Last boss of frostvault during rat phase, intended, still annoying to resummon them.

ccfeeling

ROM
This is the mechanism design for this phase I guess ? Yeah , It's not pet class friendly .

Pets will be destroyed during totem and boss cursed phase .

SirLeeMinion

Werewolf pets are also dispelled in Direfrost Keep after you attack the last set of mobs on the right, just before Iceheart. If you ignore the mobs, the pets are still dispelled during the Iceheart fight. They don't die so much as go from full health to disappeared. I haven't run Direfrost since the patch dropped this morning to see if the vMA arena 5 fix corrected this as well.

edit: I just ran through Direfrost twice, post-patch, and now my wolves survive the entire time. Thanks for the fix!

rnklippel

I think it has to do with the fact that your abilities get replaced on your bar. A few days ago my warden was turned into a skeleton by the last boss in Blackheart Haven and my bear was unsummoned.

Feanor

rnklippel wrote: »

I think it has to do with the fact that your abilities get replaced on your bar. A few days ago my warden was turned into a skeleton by the last boss in Blackheart Haven and my bear was unsummoned.

That’s actually a good explanation in case of RoM and BH.

phileunderx2

Pets die at second boss of COH1.
Haven't run that on my pet sorc yet but would not be surprised if they have not fixed it.

Moloch1514

+ @ZOS_Finn

zvavi

phileunderx2 wrote: »

Pets die at second boss of COH1.
Haven't run that on my pet sorc yet but would not be surprised if they have not fixed it.

Never experienced it. Run it with TWO pet sorcs today. Maybe the boss died too fast, might be same bug like in fang lair

Colecovision

phileunderx2 wrote: »

Pets die at second boss of COH1.
Haven't run that on my pet sorc yet but would not be surprised if they have not fixed it.

I've seen that in CoH1 as well. It's not hard to overcome, but I've seen it. Same with the final boss on COA1.

zvavi

Guys. Something awesome just happened. Looks like pets can't agro anymore in dungeons. Idk if it is it, but my pet did not die during the one boss with the relics. Idk yet but I think things can't die anymore. I still think mazzatun will be bugged.

ZOS_Finn

There was a change put in place to prevent pets from taking Damage in Dungeons and Trials. That said, in situations where your hot bar is replaced, that will have the side effect of desummoning pets. We are taking a look at these cases to see what, if anything, we can do to alleviate that burden.

r3turn2s3nd3r

zvavi wrote: »

There are 4 places I am aware off where pets gets unsummoned.
2. Ruin's of mazzatun last boss. During the blind phase they SHOULD get unsummoned, but they also get unsummoned randomly.

I don't think it's actually random. I think it's when Tree Minder Na-Kesh throws out amber plasm. Didn't thoroughly test it, but in the last skin run we did for someone, we did notice every time the amber plasm was thrown out, the pets died.

Skullstachio

r3turn2s3nd3r wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

There are 4 places I am aware off where pets gets unsummoned.
2. Ruin's of mazzatun last boss. During the blind phase they SHOULD get unsummoned, but they also get unsummoned randomly.

I don't think it's actually random. I think it's when Tree Minder Na-Kesh throws out amber plasm. Didn't thoroughly test it, but in the last skin run we did for someone, we did notice every time the amber plasm was thrown out, the pets died.

If your character is a Pack Leader Werewolf (or just a werewolf in general.), Na-Kesh's Amber Plasm seems to have no effect. (as in Na-kesh will ignore werewolves and throw amber plasm at a different player who isn't a werewolf. possibly.) so you don't have to worry about the two direwolves despawning until the transformation wears off.

James-Wayne

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

There was a change put in place to prevent pets from taking Damage in Dungeons and Trials. That said, in situations where your hot bar is replaced, that will have the side effect of desummoning pets. We are taking a look at these cases to see what, if anything, we can do to alleviate that burden.

I've noticed this in Frostvault, can we not have the pets turn into mini skeevatons ☺

Red_Feather

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

There was a change put in place to prevent pets from taking Damage in Dungeons and Trials. That said, in situations where your hot bar is replaced, that will have the side effect of desummoning pets. We are taking a look at these cases to see what, if anything, we can do to alleviate that burden.

Can the class skills team look into the idea of pets being maintained so long as they are slotted on one hot bar. Keeps it simple. If it needs to be balanced somehow it can lower magicka recovery for each pet active. That is how other games I played do their maintained skills.

zvavi

r3turn2s3nd3r wrote: »

I don't think it's actually random. I think it's when Tree Minder Na-Kesh throws out amber plasm. Didn't thoroughly test it, but in the last skin run we did for someone, we did notice every time the amber plasm was thrown out, the pets died.

no no, in addition to the amber plasm through, this part is as i said in my comment is intended, other than that they also died randomly.

also they might have patched it, other than vFV rat phase and vRoM amber plazm phase, pets might not die anymore at all, please post if u find any other evidence for deaths of pets not in those places after the last patch 4.3.5

olsborg

Pets also die alot in cyro due to siege. Like in 1s. Spend more time summoning then whatever else..

olsborg

also the extra hp in cyro dont apply right to pets. They have 15k out of 20k hp 90% of the time, then u heal it and 2s later it drops back down to 15k out of 20k

feyii

@ZOS_Finn I have a question, since I'm not sure how it is supposed to work. Are pets supposed to be killable in VMA?

I have been in VMA lately with a pet sorc. In the 4th arena and only in the final round both pets constantly die. It takes longer to resummon them than they can stay alive. At first I thought, maybe with the Wrathstone changes they not only inherit buffs but also debuffs from the player and since my character was vampire stage 4 that could mean they also got only 25% health recovery and 75% more fire damage ... and the dwemer spider has a lot of fire. But even after changing my vampirism stage to 1 the pets still died at the same rate as before.

So, should this even be possible or is it a bug?

RogueShark

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

There was a change put in place to prevent pets from taking Damage in Dungeons and Trials. That said, in situations where your hot bar is replaced, that will have the side effect of desummoning pets. We are taking a look at these cases to see what, if anything, we can do to alleviate that burden.

Fang Lair, pets will still vanish during the third fight of the dungeon with Caluurion. Hotbars aren't affected or changed during this fight, and if you resummon your pets they will continue to despawn throughout the fight. This is inconvenient as a sorc and it downright breaks as a werewolf, as you have to die to resummon your pet wolves or drop the polymorph and rebuild ult.
Not sure what causes it, but it doesn't have anything to do with a mechanic that replaces a hotbar.

zvavi

@RogueShark as I already have commented before, it didn't happen to me after 4.3.5, if it still happens to you after wrathstone say so, but if it is from older data it might be not true

ZOS_Finn

Maelstrom Arena, being solo content, pets are still able to be damaged and killed.

Alienoutlaw

my scamp spent more time being res'd in VMA today than normal

SirMewser

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

my scamp spent more time being res'd in VMA today than normal

That's because it's vet, not normal mode.

*Crawls back under rock*

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Yes, they constantly die. Nothing has changed. Every Vet dungeon I have run lately my Familiar dies. I can make a video or two to show the Pet dying and post it. Will do so on my next dungeon run with a Pet.

Grandma

I've been running vet dungeons and haven't had this problem for some reason. My pets barely ever die in vMA either. what server are you guys on?

RogueShark

zvavi wrote: »

@RogueShark as I already have commented before, it didn't happen to me after 4.3.5, if it still happens to you after wrathstone say so, but if it is from older data it might be not true

It did happen after Wrath which is why I posted again with more detail specifying boss name and such.

Suddwrath

SirMewser wrote: »

That's because it's vet, not normal mode.

*Crawls back under rock*