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Warden Healer
Hello! My main question is; why don't any of the guides advise using Frost Cloak? Seems to provide a lot of armor, so curious as to why the Warden healer guides I've found don't mention using it.
Also, if anyone has links to great Warden healer guides for PvE and PvP I would greatly welcome them.
Thank you!
Also, if anyone has links to great Warden healer guides for PvE and PvP I would greatly welcome them.
Thank you!
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exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well ill explain as its a bit 2 fold.
Generally, most builds have their own form of the resistance buffs that froat cloak provide. One of the intended incetives for the skill was that it provided major ward and major resolve to allies, thus freeing them up to possibly run something else on their bars in organized group play. There are other skills with similar design philosophy such as DKs motlen aarmaments.
In pve though, you would likely see a warden tank slot this over the healer, as resitiences, while nice, arent super critical beyond the average amount a healer would have.
In pvp, while its personal preference ofc, I would never not run the minor protection morph of cloak as a warden healer.
That being said the other issue is that, therr is simply for more incentive for classes to run their own versions of the resistance buffs. Dks gain added increased healing received for having spiked armor up, NBs get the same buff passively when using a shadow skill, sorcs hurricane and lightning form come with many benefits, the later especially after the sheild resistance changes. Templar rune comes with a very respectable sustain boon and additional percentage mitigation for standing in it.
Point being losing the secondary effects from their class based major resolve and ward is not an even trade for letting the warden provide the buff to them.3 -
exeeter702 wrote: »Well ill explain as its a bit 2 fold.
Generally, most builds have their own form of the resistance buffs that froat cloak provide. One of the intended incetives for the skill was that it provided major ward and major resolve to allies, thus freeing them up to possibly run something else on their bars in organized group play. There are other skills with similar design philosophy such as DKs motlen aarmaments.
In pve though, you would likely see a warden tank slot this over the healer, as resitiences, while nice, arent super critical beyond the average amount a healer would have.
In pvp, while its personal preference ofc, I would never not run the minor protection morph of cloak as a warden healer.
That being said the other issue is that, therr is simply for more incentive for classes to run their own versions of the resistance buffs. Dks gain added increased healing received for having spiked armor up, NBs get the same buff passively when using a shadow skill, sorcs hurricane and lightning form come with many benefits, the later especially after the sheild resistance changes. Templar rune comes with a very respectable sustain boon and additional percentage mitigation for standing in it.
Point being losing the secondary effects from their class based major resolve and ward is not an even trade for letting the warden provide the buff to them.
So those buffs don't all stack? Even with passives?0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭"dreamer05 wrote: »
So those buffs don't all stack? Even with passives?
No, nothing that’s named stacks. If a buff says ‘major’ or ‘minor’ it doesn’t stack with the buff of the same name. Though a major and minor buff of the same type stack, so major and minor protection stack for example, but two major protections do not.
There’s nothing wrong with frost cloak or minor protection, the problem is limited bar space.Edited by Iskiab on February 24, 2019 9:56PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
"dreamer05 wrote: »
So those buffs don't all stack? Even with passives?
No, nothing that’s named stacks. If a buff says ‘major’ or ‘minor’ it doesn’t stack with the buff of the same name. Though a major and minor buff of the same type stack, so major and minor protection stack for example, but two major protections do not.
There’s nothing wrong with frost cloak or minor protection, the problem is limited bar space.
And most other classes will have something that doesn't stack with Frost Cloak in PvE?0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yup, almost every one, and most people make sure they have it on their bar and maintain the buff at all time.Edited by Iskiab on February 25, 2019 3:41AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten1 -
VaxtinTheWolf✭✭✭✭✭It might be most useful for dungeon finder groups where all or most players are below level 50. In that instance, it's not guaranteed that a Templar will have unlocked their Rune armor ability yet. And in general, Magicka Nightblades may not have 100% uptime of their Shadow passive for armor gain. Dragonknights that are not a Tank may not always use it either.
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Nerouyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »Well ill explain as its a bit 2 fold.
You make excellent points I totally agree with, but I will add a few more.
I used Expansive Frost Cloak for a while. Everything you said is true but there were a few other reasons I ended up preferring the other morph.
1) We have way too many buffs. If I can avoid slotting / using any, I do.
2) If I do feel the need for Major Resolve + Major Ward then I'm also going to want the Minor Protection 8% reduction that comes with the Ice Fortress morph. As a healer you also need to keep yourself alive and that 8% helps.
Only visually do I prefer Expansive. The ice on the arms is understated and cool (pun intended).Edited by Nerouyn on February 25, 2019 11:54AM0 -
exeeter702 wrote: »Well ill explain as its a bit 2 fold.
You make excellent points I totally agree with, but I will add a few more.
I used Expansive Frost Cloak for a while. Everything you said is true but there were a few other reasons I ended up preferring the other morph.
1) We have way too many buffs. If I can avoid slotting / using any, I do.
2) If I do feel the need for Major Resolve + Major Ward then I'm also going to want the Minor Protection 8% reduction that comes with the Ice Fortress morph. As a healer you also need to keep yourself alive and that 8% helps.
Only visually do I prefer Expansive. The ice on the arms is understated and cool (pun intended).
So do you end up taking it most of the time?0 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »Well ill explain as its a bit 2 fold.
You make excellent points I totally agree with, but I will add a few more.
I used Expansive Frost Cloak for a while. Everything you said is true but there were a few other reasons I ended up preferring the other morph.
1) We have way too many buffs. If I can avoid slotting / using any, I do.
2) If I do feel the need for Major Resolve + Major Ward then I'm also going to want the Minor Protection 8% reduction that comes with the Ice Fortress morph. As a healer you also need to keep yourself alive and that 8% helps.
Only visually do I prefer Expansive. The ice on the arms is understated and cool (pun intended).
So do you end up taking it most of the time?
It's a choice for yourself to make if you want to use it over other options.0 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Kind of unrelated, but Expansive Frost Cloak needs something. A cost reduction is not needed because you're not spamming it. Damaging effect would be really cool (no pun intended). Just not useful enough over Ice Fortress. So many underperforming and underpowered Winter's Embrace morphs...Edited by ESO_Nightingale on March 1, 2019 7:26AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Kind of unrelated, but Expancive Frost Cloak needs something. A cost reduction is not needed because you're not spamming it. Damaging effect would be really cool (no pun intended). Just not useful enough over Ice Fortress. So many underperforming and underpowered Winter's Embrace morphs...
Why isn't the extra range enough for it?0 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Kind of unrelated, but Expancive Frost Cloak needs something. A cost reduction is not needed because you're not spamming it. Damaging effect would be really cool (no pun intended). Just not useful enough over Ice Fortress. So many underperforming and underpowered Winter's Embrace morphs...
Why isn't the extra range enough for it?
Because its better to just use Ice Fortress in most scenarios where you would use Expansive. I can only really see it being used in PvP except pretty much everyone runs their class armour buff anyway, and minor protection is no joke and it's a high value buff. Ice Fortress is just the better morph in most scenarios. 8m radius is already really good. Reduced cost is useless. It needs another effect to make it worth morphing over Ice Fortress, for example If it procced chilled via dealing frost damage it would be pretty nice.Edited by ESO_Nightingale on March 1, 2019 7:39AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Kind of unrelated, but Expancive Frost Cloak needs something. A cost reduction is not needed because you're not spamming it. Damaging effect would be really cool (no pun intended). Just not useful enough over Ice Fortress. So many underperforming and underpowered Winter's Embrace morphs...
Why isn't the extra range enough for it?
Because its better to just use Ice Fortress in most scenarios where you would use Expansive. I can only really see it being used in PvP except pretty much everyone runs their class armour buff anyway, and minor protection is no joke. Ice Fortress is just the better morph in most scenarios. 8m radius is already really good. Reduced cost is useless. It needs another effect to make it worth morphing over Ice Fortress, for example If it procced chilled via dealing frost damage it would be pretty nice.
How about 10% increase with ice damage to those impacted, like the DK skill but on your team?1 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Kind of unrelated, but Expancive Frost Cloak needs something. A cost reduction is not needed because you're not spamming it. Damaging effect would be really cool (no pun intended). Just not useful enough over Ice Fortress. So many underperforming and underpowered Winter's Embrace morphs...
Why isn't the extra range enough for it?
Because its better to just use Ice Fortress in most scenarios where you would use Expansive. I can only really see it being used in PvP except pretty much everyone runs their class armour buff anyway, and minor protection is no joke. Ice Fortress is just the better morph in most scenarios. 8m radius is already really good. Reduced cost is useless. It needs another effect to make it worth morphing over Ice Fortress, for example If it procced chilled via dealing frost damage it would be pretty nice.
How about 10% increase with ice damage to those impacted, like the DK skill but on your team?
yeah it works, but what is the type of aoe? old Arctic Blast's/Solar Barrage's delayed tick aoe? constant hurricane-like aoe? volatile armor-like aoe? personally i think old blast's aoe would fit the best. would give us back a skill we lost for no reason and would make the skill more useful for DDs.Edited by ESO_Nightingale on March 1, 2019 7:38AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Kind of unrelated, but Expancive Frost Cloak needs something. A cost reduction is not needed because you're not spamming it. Damaging effect would be really cool (no pun intended). Just not useful enough over Ice Fortress. So many underperforming and underpowered Winter's Embrace morphs...
Why isn't the extra range enough for it?
Because its better to just use Ice Fortress in most scenarios where you would use Expansive. I can only really see it being used in PvP except pretty much everyone runs their class armour buff anyway, and minor protection is no joke. Ice Fortress is just the better morph in most scenarios. 8m radius is already really good. Reduced cost is useless. It needs another effect to make it worth morphing over Ice Fortress, for example If it procced chilled via dealing frost damage it would be pretty nice.
How about 10% increase with ice damage to those impacted, like the DK skill but on your team?
yeah it works, but what is the type of aoe? old Arctic Blast's/Solar Barrage's delayed tick aoe? constant hurricane-like aoe? volatile armor-like aoe? personally i think old blast's aoe would fit the best. would give us back a skill we lost for no reason and would make the skill more useful for DDs.
No AOE. Just if you cast expensive frost cloak, all those impacted by it, do 10% more cold damage.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on March 1, 2019 7:42AM0 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Kind of unrelated, but Expancive Frost Cloak needs something. A cost reduction is not needed because you're not spamming it. Damaging effect would be really cool (no pun intended). Just not useful enough over Ice Fortress. So many underperforming and underpowered Winter's Embrace morphs...
Why isn't the extra range enough for it?
Because its better to just use Ice Fortress in most scenarios where you would use Expansive. I can only really see it being used in PvP except pretty much everyone runs their class armour buff anyway, and minor protection is no joke. Ice Fortress is just the better morph in most scenarios. 8m radius is already really good. Reduced cost is useless. It needs another effect to make it worth morphing over Ice Fortress, for example If it procced chilled via dealing frost damage it would be pretty nice.
How about 10% increase with ice damage to those impacted, like the DK skill but on your team?
yeah it works, but what is the type of aoe? old Arctic Blast's/Solar Barrage's delayed tick aoe? constant hurricane-like aoe? volatile armor-like aoe? personally i think old blast's aoe would fit the best. would give us back a skill we lost for no reason and would make the skill more useful for DDs.
No AOE. Just if you cast expensive frost cloak, all those impacted by it, do 10% more cold damage.
why no AoE? Warden only has 4 damaging skills and glacial presence needs to have more support after it's best synergising skill was just deleted in murkmire. Not a lot of people do frost damage because it's a really bad damage type and mostly limited to warden. I can see it being a passive effect on northern storm. But a self buff, increased frost damage is pretty useless for a group.Edited by ESO_Nightingale on March 1, 2019 7:58AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Kind of unrelated, but Expancive Frost Cloak needs something. A cost reduction is not needed because you're not spamming it. Damaging effect would be really cool (no pun intended). Just not useful enough over Ice Fortress. So many underperforming and underpowered Winter's Embrace morphs...
Why isn't the extra range enough for it?
Because its better to just use Ice Fortress in most scenarios where you would use Expansive. I can only really see it being used in PvP except pretty much everyone runs their class armour buff anyway, and minor protection is no joke. Ice Fortress is just the better morph in most scenarios. 8m radius is already really good. Reduced cost is useless. It needs another effect to make it worth morphing over Ice Fortress, for example If it procced chilled via dealing frost damage it would be pretty nice.
How about 10% increase with ice damage to those impacted, like the DK skill but on your team?
yeah it works, but what is the type of aoe? old Arctic Blast's/Solar Barrage's delayed tick aoe? constant hurricane-like aoe? volatile armor-like aoe? personally i think old blast's aoe would fit the best. would give us back a skill we lost for no reason and would make the skill more useful for DDs.
No AOE. Just if you cast expensive frost cloak, all those impacted by it, do 10% more cold damage.
why no AoE? Warden only has 4 damaging skills and glacial presence needs to have more support after it's best synergising skill was just deleted in murkmire. Not a lot of people do frost damage because it's a really bad damage type and mostly limited to warden. I can see it being a passive effect on northern storm. But a self buff, increased frost damage is pretty useless for a group.
I mean, you are asking for a change. How about adding cold damage to your light and heavys, like an extra 10% of the original damage. Would that be too much?Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on March 1, 2019 8:06AM0 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Kind of unrelated, but Expancive Frost Cloak needs something. A cost reduction is not needed because you're not spamming it. Damaging effect would be really cool (no pun intended). Just not useful enough over Ice Fortress. So many underperforming and underpowered Winter's Embrace morphs...
Why isn't the extra range enough for it?
Because its better to just use Ice Fortress in most scenarios where you would use Expansive. I can only really see it being used in PvP except pretty much everyone runs their class armour buff anyway, and minor protection is no joke. Ice Fortress is just the better morph in most scenarios. 8m radius is already really good. Reduced cost is useless. It needs another effect to make it worth morphing over Ice Fortress, for example If it procced chilled via dealing frost damage it would be pretty nice.
How about 10% increase with ice damage to those impacted, like the DK skill but on your team?
yeah it works, but what is the type of aoe? old Arctic Blast's/Solar Barrage's delayed tick aoe? constant hurricane-like aoe? volatile armor-like aoe? personally i think old blast's aoe would fit the best. would give us back a skill we lost for no reason and would make the skill more useful for DDs.
No AOE. Just if you cast expensive frost cloak, all those impacted by it, do 10% more cold damage.
why no AoE? Warden only has 4 damaging skills and glacial presence needs to have more support after it's best synergising skill was just deleted in murkmire. Not a lot of people do frost damage because it's a really bad damage type and mostly limited to warden. I can see it being a passive effect on northern storm. But a self buff, increased frost damage is pretty useless for a group.
I mean, you are asking for a change.
yes. but a useful one. what is the point of making a change that doesn't help magden's situation?Edited by ESO_Nightingale on March 1, 2019 8:09AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Kind of unrelated, but Expancive Frost Cloak needs something. A cost reduction is not needed because you're not spamming it. Damaging effect would be really cool (no pun intended). Just not useful enough over Ice Fortress. So many underperforming and underpowered Winter's Embrace morphs...
Why isn't the extra range enough for it?
Because its better to just use Ice Fortress in most scenarios where you would use Expansive. I can only really see it being used in PvP except pretty much everyone runs their class armour buff anyway, and minor protection is no joke. Ice Fortress is just the better morph in most scenarios. 8m radius is already really good. Reduced cost is useless. It needs another effect to make it worth morphing over Ice Fortress, for example If it procced chilled via dealing frost damage it would be pretty nice.
How about 10% increase with ice damage to those impacted, like the DK skill but on your team?
yeah it works, but what is the type of aoe? old Arctic Blast's/Solar Barrage's delayed tick aoe? constant hurricane-like aoe? volatile armor-like aoe? personally i think old blast's aoe would fit the best. would give us back a skill we lost for no reason and would make the skill more useful for DDs.
No AOE. Just if you cast expensive frost cloak, all those impacted by it, do 10% more cold damage.
why no AoE? Warden only has 4 damaging skills and glacial presence needs to have more support after it's best synergising skill was just deleted in murkmire. Not a lot of people do frost damage because it's a really bad damage type and mostly limited to warden. I can see it being a passive effect on northern storm. But a self buff, increased frost damage is pretty useless for a group.
I mean, you are asking for a change.
yes. but a useful one. what is the point of making a change that doesn't help magden's situation?
Magdens Situation? You seem to think that just adding another damage skill will solve all their problems. It won't. They need to provide some sort of unqie group utility, outside of the 10% health boost, which is actually worth less now because of the new patch and the way cp interacts with food. I have ran more the a few group finder dungeons with Magdens, their DPS is fine, though you probably have "vet timed trials or nothing" goggles on. At least I am trying to set them apart from dks tanking. You just want to add another damage skill.1 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Kind of unrelated, but Expancive Frost Cloak needs something. A cost reduction is not needed because you're not spamming it. Damaging effect would be really cool (no pun intended). Just not useful enough over Ice Fortress. So many underperforming and underpowered Winter's Embrace morphs...
Why isn't the extra range enough for it?
Because its better to just use Ice Fortress in most scenarios where you would use Expansive. I can only really see it being used in PvP except pretty much everyone runs their class armour buff anyway, and minor protection is no joke. Ice Fortress is just the better morph in most scenarios. 8m radius is already really good. Reduced cost is useless. It needs another effect to make it worth morphing over Ice Fortress, for example If it procced chilled via dealing frost damage it would be pretty nice.
How about 10% increase with ice damage to those impacted, like the DK skill but on your team?
yeah it works, but what is the type of aoe? old Arctic Blast's/Solar Barrage's delayed tick aoe? constant hurricane-like aoe? volatile armor-like aoe? personally i think old blast's aoe would fit the best. would give us back a skill we lost for no reason and would make the skill more useful for DDs.
No AOE. Just if you cast expensive frost cloak, all those impacted by it, do 10% more cold damage.
why no AoE? Warden only has 4 damaging skills and glacial presence needs to have more support after it's best synergising skill was just deleted in murkmire. Not a lot of people do frost damage because it's a really bad damage type and mostly limited to warden. I can see it being a passive effect on northern storm. But a self buff, increased frost damage is pretty useless for a group.
I mean, you are asking for a change.
yes. but a useful one. what is the point of making a change that doesn't help magden's situation?
Magdens Situation? You seem to think that just adding another damage skill will solve all their problems. It won't. They need to provide some sort of unqie group utility, outside of the 10% health boost, which is actually worth less now because of the new patch and the way cp interacts with food. I have ran more the a few group finder dungeons with Magdens, their DPS is fine, though you probably have "vet timed trials or nothing" goggles on. At least I am trying to set them apart from dks tanking. You just want to add another damage skill.
I absolutely agree that they need group utility and I've been pushing for it! If you've seen our ideas, you will see what we've implemented for group utility on top of new DPS skills since magdens have a lack of quality(mostly raw damage) and quantity(4 damage skills) of damaging skills. If you're just doing regular vet/normal dungeons and trials then actual damage per second doesn't matter and balance for that matter doesn't either. In the far endgame (score pushing) Magdens don't just have less group utility but also have lower DPS than other classes. this is a fact i'm sure you know. So we want to fix BOTH problems to lessen the DPS gap and to give them some actual utility on damage skills which will be the biggest boost to most magdens as it will make them feel more impactful when playing normally. I definitely don't just care about damage. one thing I know for sure is that this morph is somewhat insignificant and we'd like to give it a helpful boost to help it in a couple of areas so that ice fortress isn't the best morph choice all the time. I wouldn't be targeting this skill to be a massive magden dps contributor. but i would give it some form of frost damage to help Glacial Pressence up from it being knocked down last patch, hell. even if it did less damage than boundless storm it'd be useful for proccing chilled. if you're wondering why chilled is important to me, it's because our rework ideas revolve around chilled doing or proccing certain things and being more useful to the magicka damage dealer like it could've in the first place.Edited by ESO_Nightingale on March 1, 2019 11:28AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
Nerouyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »Well ill explain as its a bit 2 fold.
You make excellent points I totally agree with, but I will add a few more.
I used Expansive Frost Cloak for a while. Everything you said is true but there were a few other reasons I ended up preferring the other morph.
1) We have way too many buffs. If I can avoid slotting / using any, I do.
2) If I do feel the need for Major Resolve + Major Ward then I'm also going to want the Minor Protection 8% reduction that comes with the Ice Fortress morph. As a healer you also need to keep yourself alive and that 8% helps.
Only visually do I prefer Expansive. The ice on the arms is understated and cool (pun intended).
So do you end up taking it most of the time?
I'm not really playing my wardens at the moment - they have far too few magicka damage abilities - and when I do it's solo. So either morph serves. When I next respec each of them I'll switch all to IF.0