BiS Gear for Magic Warden?

alexj4596b14_ESO

All in title! I have a set up that works well for me but I'm not sure if I can do better or not.

Sanctum74

The truth about BIS is that there is no BIS. It's all about your play style and skill level. If your set up works well for you then you already answered your own question, it's BIS!

DKsUnite

Bright + Spinner for me

MaxJrFTW

No such thing as BiS in ESO, let alone in PvP. We don't have gear simulators like WoW does.

ccmedaddy

The current 'flavor of the month' build is Master's Shock + Necro + Lich or Armor Master. A very efficient build for 1vX.

However, I hate the clench spam playstyle so I'm sticking to my bird spam build. I've been having a lot of fun with Necro+ Bright Throat+Pirate Skeleton. Having a big enough magicka pool to rely on Harness even in no-CP PvP is a godsend.

Canned_Apples

Sanctum74 wrote: »

The truth about BIS is that there is no BIS. It's all about your play style and skill level. If your set up works well for you then you already answered your own question, it's BIS!

There will always be a "meta/BiS" set that outperforms the others that the "min/max" crowd will gravitate towards.
Sure, there might be other sets that you enjoy playing with more, but they won't compare to the generic meta sets/builds.

I tried some non-bis sets that were way out there in pvp, but they weren't very effective.
Pillars of Nirn was fun to use, but most players will roll dodge out of the AE before it hits- same with Nerien'eth and ice comet/shooting star... it might get the inexperienced player, or anyone that isn't paying attention, but everyone else.......... forget about it.

Trancestor

The shock clench spam "meta" for magden is ineffective against most non potatoes, and is really boring to play. I find force pulse + ice blockade a lot more effective.

alexj4596b14_ESO

I'll post more of my build and see if y'all can poke holes in it then. @Trancestor @Canned_Apples @ccmedaddy @MaxJrFTW @DKsUnite @Sanctum74

The Clif hanger skill is being replaced with elemental weapon the build editor is just having issues currently. But at the same not sure which one is really better.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=117794

Sanctum74

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

I'll post more of my build and see if y'all can poke holes in it then. @Trancestor @Canned_Apples @ccmedaddy @MaxJrFTW @DKsUnite @Sanctum74

The Clif hanger skill is being replaced with elemental weapon the build editor is just having issues currently. But at the same not sure which one is really better.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=117794

Overall it looks like a solid build damage wise. My biggest concern would be the stamina recovery. With so many stuns, snares, and roots and since you are not running mist form for mobility you may want to get that recovery up a little more.

Magic recovery is also a little low, but netch will help with that. I would also swap out ward ally for harness. It will give you a bigger shield and also help with magic recovery. Vines and your animal passives will help keep you healed up under your shield.

Skoria is a great damage set, but I never had much luck with it proccing reliably with just the flies. I would either add another dot like clench to increase the proc rate or just use another monster set.

As far as spammable goes, sorry I've been too lazy to level up elemental so I cant really comment on that. Cliff racer does great damage, heals you, and gives you a passive damage boost. Crushing shock is also good for the interrupt, passive penetration, and chance to apply status effects which can increase your damage, reduce incoming damage, or apply another dot to help proc skoria.

The biggest thing is understanding the limitations of the build. Not having a hard cc has limitations unless you can get people into a choke point. Immoblize from ice staff is great, but fm spammers are just going to run around you. On the flip side warden is tanky enough that they shouldn't be able to kill you either.

The only other thing I'd change is put the resto ult on the back bar, no need to double bar storm since the passive magic boost isn't going to help boost your buffs.

Trancestor

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

I'll post more of my build and see if y'all can poke holes in it then. @Trancestor @Canned_Apples @ccmedaddy @MaxJrFTW @DKsUnite @Sanctum74

The Clif hanger skill is being replaced with elemental weapon the build editor is just having issues currently. But at the same not sure which one is really better.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=117794

Not good at all, you will have zero sustain and zero survivability, if you're not going for any sustain set you will need at least 3 magicka recovery glyphs on all your jewelry, just ward ally wont be enough you will need dampen or harness for sure if you want to survive, your stamina is pretty low as well, spell strat doesnt fit magden you have a lot of aoe which wouldnt be affected by it outside of a duel, bright throat/shackle/lich+asylum staff or willpower/armor master are all better options, also you should slot fetcher on your attack bar for the 3% dmg, and about cliff racer, i really hate that skill it is way too slow and easily counterable, elemental weapon i never tried it but i don't think it would be good either due to its clunkiness and lack of initial hit, just go for force pulse.

DKsUnite

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

alexj4596b14_ESO

Trancestor wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

I'll post more of my build and see if y'all can poke holes in it then. @Trancestor @Canned_Apples @ccmedaddy @MaxJrFTW @DKsUnite @Sanctum74

The Clif hanger skill is being replaced with elemental weapon the build editor is just having issues currently. But at the same not sure which one is really better.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=117794

Not good at all, you will have zero sustain and zero survivability, if you're not going for any sustain set you will need at least 3 magicka recovery glyphs on all your jewelry, just ward ally wont be enough you will need dampen or harness for sure if you want to survive, your stamina is pretty low as well, spell strat doesnt fit magden you have a lot of aoe which wouldnt be affected by it outside of a duel, bright throat/shackle/lich+asylum staff or willpower/armor master are all better options, also you should slot fetcher on your attack bar for the 3% dmg, and about cliff racer, i really hate that skill it is way too slow and easily counterable, elemental weapon i never tried it but i don't think it would be good either due to its clunkiness and lack of initial hit, just go for force pulse.

As far as Regins I am an Argo and use pots to deal with that. The Betty also helps. As far as spamable I am honestly stuck on this. The main reason I went with elemental weapon is because it has no animation really and reduces the amount Imputs required for animation canceling which is have horrid issues with. Force plus requires allot more coordination compared to elemental also I've never seen it hit very hard either.

As far as gear set bright throat gives half of what spell strat does and with wall of elements and a frost glif on the the frost staff I can root pretty easily if I can hit them all while on the element wall. I only have two aoes both are for Utilities rather then damages I leave that for my single target DPS. I'll look into spamables more.

alexj4596b14_ESO

Sanctum74 wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

I'll post more of my build and see if y'all can poke holes in it then. @Trancestor @Canned_Apples @ccmedaddy @MaxJrFTW @DKsUnite @Sanctum74

The Clif hanger skill is being replaced with elemental weapon the build editor is just having issues currently. But at the same not sure which one is really better.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=117794

Overall it looks like a solid build damage wise. My biggest concern would be the stamina recovery. With so many stuns, snares, and roots and since you are not running mist form for mobility you may want to get that recovery up a little more.

Magic recovery is also a little low, but netch will help with that. I would also swap out ward ally for harness. It will give you a bigger shield and also help with magic recovery. Vines and your animal passives will help keep you healed up under your shield.

Skoria is a great damage set, but I never had much luck with it proccing reliably with just the flies. I would either add another dot like clench to increase the proc rate or just use another monster set.

As far as spammable goes, sorry I've been too lazy to level up elemental so I cant really comment on that. Cliff racer does great damage, heals you, and gives you a passive damage boost. Crushing shock is also good for the interrupt, passive penetration, and chance to apply status effects which can increase your damage, reduce incoming damage, or apply another dot to help proc skoria.

The biggest thing is understanding the limitations of the build. Not having a hard cc has limitations unless you can get people into a choke point. Immoblize from ice staff is great, but fm spammers are just going to run around you. On the flip side warden is tanky enough that they shouldn't be able to kill you either.

The only other thing I'd change is put the resto ult on the back bar, no need to double bar storm since the passive magic boost isn't going to help boost your buffs.

Fm spammers?

Do you have another recommendations for a monster set? Also it was my understanding that Wall of Elements could proc Valkyn or would it be better to go for one the new staffs?

alexj4596b14_ESO

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

Assuming the math is right on the website, your total SP is 4ish k. Mine sits at 11k if every is up. Whats the SP to damage raito? I'd lose 600SP if I switch everything to regin.

devilsTear

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

alexj4596b14_ESO

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

It's says a drink..food doesn't work dose it?

LeHarrt91

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

It's says a drink..food doesn't work dose it?

There is a Drink that increases all three max stats. i think it was from Clockwork City.

devilsTear

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

It's says a drink..food doesn't work dose it?

The food on the page is well food xD

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

It's says a drink..food doesn't work dose it?

There is a Drink that increases all three max stats. i think it was from Clockwork City.

Yeah the spring-loaded infusion that's why I asked.

alexj4596b14_ESO

devilsTear wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

It's says a drink..food doesn't work dose it?

The food on the page is well food xD

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

It's says a drink..food doesn't work dose it?

There is a Drink that increases all three max stats. i think it was from Clockwork City.

Yeah the spring-loaded infusion that's why I asked.

Hmm...

alexj4596b14_ESO

devilsTear wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

It's says a drink..food doesn't work dose it?

The food on the page is well food xD

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

It's says a drink..food doesn't work dose it?

There is a Drink that increases all three max stats. i think it was from Clockwork City.

Yeah the spring-loaded infusion that's why I asked.

@DKsUnite

How about bright throat and spell strat? With the food it equal to necropotence

devilsTear

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

It's says a drink..food doesn't work dose it?

The food on the page is well food xD

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

It's says a drink..food doesn't work dose it?

There is a Drink that increases all three max stats. i think it was from Clockwork City.

Yeah the spring-loaded infusion that's why I asked.

@DKsUnite

How about bright throat and spell strat? With the food it equal to necropotence

Why bother with spell strat on a magden, your strong suit is aoe.

alexj4596b14_ESO

devilsTear wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

It's says a drink..food doesn't work dose it?

The food on the page is well food xD

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

It's says a drink..food doesn't work dose it?

There is a Drink that increases all three max stats. i think it was from Clockwork City.

Yeah the spring-loaded infusion that's why I asked.

@DKsUnite

How about bright throat and spell strat? With the food it equal to necropotence

Why bother with spell strat on a magden, your strong suit is aoe.

Because before I was running twice born and Necro. The combination was tany but had no damage. When I switch from twice born to spell strat my dps quadrupled and it allows for me to foucs healers and tanks easier. With bright throat and spell Strategist I have the same amount of magikca, I have more regin, and I have more overall spell power with food. According to the builder at least. Over all it's stronger.

DKsUnite

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

Sorry that build wasn't the latest version and I was probably half way through theory crafting and saved and hence why not everything is right. I run witch mother on live on that build. I'll update the build when I get home.

And I agree that spell strat is crap on a magden since you so aoe heavy and it doesn't buff heals.

Trancestor

Really good luck sustaining with 1.1k rec even if youre argonian, even 1.8k rec is on the lower side for a magden from a lot of experience, this is from a standpoint that you are playing solo or small scale yeah? If youre just zerg surfing then sure go full damage.

Canned_Apples

alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »

Fm spammers?

Do you have another recommendations for a monster set? Also it was my understanding that Wall of Elements could proc Valkyn or would it be better to go for one the new staffs?

WoE does proc Skoria, but people prefer to run it on magDKs because they can easily stack 4 dots+WoE on a target vs. a Warden's Swarm+WoE -that doesn't stop me from using it on my magden.
I also use WoE on my back bar, with an infused staff, to free up a slot on my main bar and passively proc my back bar enchant.

Screaming Cliff Racer is nice because it can't be reflected, but I prefer using Crushing Shock to interrupt Snipe and Meditate. -it also doesn't have that delay that SCR has so people are less likely to KB steal.

*I only play BGs, so being defeated isn't a big deal- and noCP fights tend to be pretty quick, no 30 minute fights, so pots are more than enough.

Maulkin

DKsUnite wrote: »

Bright + Spinner for me

That, or shackle + bright for no-CP/BGs where dmg is already high and resistances and sustain are low.

devilsTear

DKsUnite wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

Sorry that build wasn't the latest version and I was probably half way through theory crafting and saved and hence why not everything is right. I run witch mother on live on that build. I'll update the build when I get home.

And I agree that spell strat is crap on a magden since you so aoe heavy and it doesn't buff heals.

Oh okay, I tried the spring-loaded infusion before on my dk's and wasn't really sure if I liked it or not, tried it on my magden yesterday and was sitting at 1900 mag regen unbuffed.
Do you still play magdk too? I always love to watch your clips on YouTube, a big inspiration for me 😊

alexj4596b14_ESO

DKsUnite wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I would keep birds instead of ele wep. You should also be running a stun. And you need more magicka recovery. I have like over 2k in no CP. My dmg is more than enough.

This isn't exactly the same build as live but it's close. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=104381

How do you proc bright throats with tri stat food or am I reading that wrong?
*edit* or do you use spring-loaded infusion?

Sorry that build wasn't the latest version and I was probably half way through theory crafting and saved and hence why not everything is right. I run witch mother on live on that build. I'll update the build when I get home.

And I agree that spell strat is crap on a magden since you so aoe heavy and it doesn't buff heals.

Trancestor wrote: »

Really good luck sustaining with 1.1k rec even if youre argonian, even 1.8k rec is on the lower side for a magden from a lot of experience, this is from a standpoint that you are playing solo or small scale yeah? If youre just zerg surfing then sure go full damage.

So then at the end of the day, Bright Throat and Necro are my best options if i don't want to go spinners. I really liked that people melted when the proc was up for Spell Strat. However, my regin issue is still a problem. according to the builder, id be sitting at 1.5k with the Spring-Loaded Infusion. Otherwise, I dont have enough health or magkia for the build to work.