Macro slice?

Annomaander_Rake

just got accused of using/having/doing a macro slice attack in BGs by someone who i assume was on the other team. Can anyone tell what exactly that is? im no cheater and dont use anything too out of the ordinary. is it possible lag/latency could cause someone to appear to do whatever a macro slice is?

jcm2606

Gonna guess they mean something along the lines of using a macro for light attack weaving, maybe bash/block cancelling?

Lag can cause things to look too "perfect", almost like a macro is used, which is where the common misconception that animation cancelling allows you to bypass the GCD comes from (lag can cause your game to receive all the attacks that went into killing you at once, appearing like your opponent somehow got them all to land at the exact same time).

At the same time, somebody who doesn't know about animation cancelling could also mistake regular animation cancelling for macros.

Vapirko

A macro slice is something that I’m not even sure really exists anymore. It involves getting stuck in an animation, queueing up other abilties and then they get unleashed all at once. You used to be able to do it pretty easy by intentionally bugging out crit charge but I haven’t seen anyone do it in a while unless by accident.

jd24

In every multiplayer game ever made there is always the mentality that if someone beats me they must have cheated.

Annomaander_Rake

all of your are right, i was inclined to think that the person that accused me of doing that was just butthurt and wanted an excuse for getting his ass kicked lol. thanks for all the responses everyone!

Thogard

I did it unintentionally a few times two weeks ago on an alt in a lowbie BG. Sent a “sorry” message to the victim. I def ramped up as many dizzies as I could lol.

jcm2606

Thogard wrote: »

I did it unintentionally a few times two weeks ago on an alt in a lowbie BG. Sent a “sorry” message to the victim. I def ramped up as many dizzies as I could lol.

Does there happen to be a clip of that?

Thogard

jcm2606 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I did it unintentionally a few times two weeks ago on an alt in a lowbie BG. Sent a “sorry” message to the victim. I def ramped up as many dizzies as I could lol.

Does there happen to be a clip of that?

Yeah

https://clips.twitch.tv/ObliviousSolidShallotFreakinStinkin

https://clips.twitch.tv/ImpartialSparklingJellyfishBCouch

same BG.

ecru

lag does weird stuff and weird stuff happens even when you don't seem to be lagging. i ate four oblivion procs all at once from a single person the other night.

jd24

Thogard wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I did it unintentionally a few times two weeks ago on an alt in a lowbie BG. Sent a “sorry” message to the victim. I def ramped up as many dizzies as I could lol.

Does there happen to be a clip of that?

Yeah

https://clips.twitch.tv/ObliviousSolidShallotFreakinStinkin

https://clips.twitch.tv/ImpartialSparklingJellyfishBCouch

same BG.

hmm. I don't get it.

https://media.giphy.com/media/5wWf7H89PisM6An8UAU/giphy.gif

SaintSubwayy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJ91nRKFe0

welcome to Elder slices online

jd24

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJ91nRKFe0

welcome to Elder slices online

Wow.. ok how is that even possible??

Annomaander_Rake

I was playing my magsorc at the time tho, assuming its only possible with a 2h setup. I'm quite certain my situation can be chalked up to a butthurt kid being upset about getting nuked. I'm surprised to see that the macro slice is actually a thing at all tho. hopefully, it gets fixed in the upcoming bug fixes the devs have been talking about

Sy1ph5

joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJ91nRKFe0

welcome to Elder slices online

Wow.. ok how is that even possible??

Little bit of lag. Little bit of elevation difference. Little bit bad luck. Little bit of ZoS magic.

fullheartcontainer

joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJ91nRKFe0

welcome to Elder slices online

Wow.. ok how is that even possible??

it's not him cheating - it's the server desyncing things and then it all catches up at once. It's an issue on ZOS's end they can't/won't fix

Noctus

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJ91nRKFe0

welcome to Elder slices online

Wow.. ok how is that even possible??

it's not him cheating - it's the server desyncing things and then it all catches up at once. It's an issue on ZOS's end they can't/won't fix

omg yes i get this too sometimes (its rare) i was wondering if other ppl have this.

Baconlad

Macro slicing. Was never a thing in eso. Players called it that. All it was was all these abilities APPEARING to hit all at once. Tested plenty of times, your character would do the macro slice animation on your own screen, and if ur target was an idiot hed just drop to all the damage. But on his screen he sat there and ate every skill that you put out in proper animation and proper timing.

It's not an exploit, it never was. It's a animation blunder on you own client.

Anyone calling you a macro slicer is basically an idiot that thinks you can't hit three-four damage abilities in two seconds time unless you are cheating.

idk

jcm2606 wrote: »

Gonna guess they mean something along the lines of using a macro for light attack weaving, maybe bash/block cancelling?

Lag can cause things to look too "perfect", almost like a macro is used, which is where the common misconception that animation cancelling allows you to bypass the GCD comes from (lag can cause your game to receive all the attacks that went into killing you at once, appearing like your opponent somehow got them all to land at the exact same time).

At the same time, somebody who doesn't know about animation cancelling could also mistake regular animation cancelling for macros.

It has seemed to become more of a thing to blame the use of macros when we get defeated.

Baconlad

BTW, this macro slice thing CAN happen on your enemies side without you knowing it.

On you screen it appears as if you are going through your animations properly, on his screen he gets dropped by four snipes/ light attack combos in one hit or three full casts from jabs at once. You'd never know it happened to him. He would think you were a cheater.

Having a situation where the macroslice to work on both screens at the same time is unbelievably rare, and are a result of both clients acting up at the same exact time. The clients aren't linked to do these things...their on your own individual computers. But it can happen...

exeeter702

Baconlad wrote: »

Macro slicing. Was never a thing in eso. Players called it that. All it was was all these abilities APPEARING to hit all at once. Tested plenty of times, your character would do the macro slice animation on your own screen, and if ur target was an idiot hed just drop to all the damage. But on his screen he sat there and ate every skill that you put out in proper animation and proper timing.

It's not an exploit, it never was. It's a animation blunder on you own client.

Anyone calling you a macro slicer is basically an idiot that thinks you can't hit three-four damage abilities in two seconds time unless you are cheating.

This, its a client side visual bug, and in no way does it look like that on the recipients end. However the term macroslice was never meant to be taken seriously, it was a joke description. The only people who honestly believe macros are involved are the idiots.

Thogard

Baconlad wrote: »

Macro slicing. Was never a thing in eso. Players called it that. All it was was all these abilities APPEARING to hit all at once. Tested plenty of times, your character would do the macro slice animation on your own screen, and if ur target was an idiot hed just drop to all the damage. But on his screen he sat there and ate every skill that you put out in proper animation and proper timing.

It's not an exploit, it never was. It's a animation blunder on you own client.

Anyone calling you a macro slicer is basically an idiot that thinks you can't hit three-four damage abilities in two seconds time unless you are cheating.

@Baconlad
This isn’t true. I’ve tested it multiple times and I can 100% confirm that the player on the other side sees the exact same thing you do for a true “macroslice” (the dizzy swing hang)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4RvQRG15YkI

Your other posts are wrong as well. It’s a full on server desync due locations bugging out and the knockback being client side positioning on the attacker.

Lag has nothing to do with it. It’s a function of character models interacting with terrain.

Baconlad

Wow thoggy. I had never seen that video.

Regardless it doesn't disprove what I said in whole. Have you been able to test it with other abilities? It was showed in the video with Dizzy. But as a magplar, I never used dizzy...toppling charge would do it. Sweeps would do it, and all of the tests I conducted with friends in game were based on that. My test subjects never saw anything happening out of the ordinary. Maybe dizzy works different. Or maybe there are different severities to the bug, or maybe I wasn't even replicating the bug, but some other bug. Thanks for calling me out on that. Most videos I saw of it were also on crit rush as the beginning of the "macro".

Thogard

Baconlad wrote: »

Wow thoggy. I had never seen that video.

Regardless it doesn't disprove what I said in whole. Have you been able to test it with other abilities? It was showed in the video with Dizzy. But as a magplar, I never used dizzy...toppling charge would do it. Sweeps would do it, and all of the tests I conducted with friends in game were based on that. My test subjects never saw anything happening out of the ordinary. Maybe dizzy works different. Or maybe there are different severities to the bug, or maybe I wasn't even replicating the bug, but some other bug. Thanks for calling me out on that. Most videos I saw of it were also on crit rush as the beginning of the "macro".

You’re referring to just generic lag, not a “macroslice”.

exeeter702

When you are locked into the charge position and after a brief period, all the attacks that you queued up visually play out in quick succession, that is called a macro slice, and it is 100 percent a client server based issue (not always necessarily latency or ping based) and the person on the recieving end does not see the visuals that play out the way they do on the users end.

The person on the receiving end in that fengrush clip was not bamboozled with a flurry of unreactable ability strings.

Thogard

exeeter702 wrote: »

When you are locked into the charge position and after a brief period, all the attacks that you queued up visually play out in quick succession, that is called a macro slice, and it is 100 percent a client server based issue (not always necessarily latency or ping based) and the person on the recieving end does not see the visuals that play out the way they do on the users end.

The person on the receiving end in that fengrush clip was not bamboozled with a flurry of unreactable ability strings.

Right. Because those aren’t macro slices.

The ones that I linked are.

Here’s one in a test environment
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4RvQRG15YkI