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INB4 the tsunami of "I'm quitting threads" after the last pts notes
rafaelcsmaia
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If you're on PS4 NA, i'll gladly take any weight (read: motifs, mats, gold) from your sore shoulders before you unninstall the game (PSN Rafaelcsmaia).
If youre not, please support the hard working khajiit (now with magicka version too).
Edited by rafaelcsmaia on February 18, 2019 7:43PM If youre not, please support the hard working khajiit (now with magicka version too).
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ffyre✭✭✭I'll jump on this opportunity as well. If you're Xbox NA - hook me up with your wares as you turn your back on these warm *** sands!Jo'Raashaa - Khajiit StamDK | Do'Zhi-ra'dala - Khajiit StamDen | Dada'la-daro - Khajiit MagPlar0 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I didn't realize there was such outrage over fewer Clockwork Control Panel Praxis recipes dropping from the Jubilee Gift Boxes.
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✭✭I'll take carrots and potatos. You guys can have the trash like tempers and gold.2 -
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✭i have like 10 altmer characters = BRING IT! its fun to be the minority!"The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:
Knowledge, freedom, uncertainty and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
Security, happiness, beauty, and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)"
Insight to Agree to Awesome Ratio = 1:6.04:2.76 as of 1/25/2019
Compared to people that I've ignored = I am 18% more insightful, 20% less agreeable, and 88% more awesome.1 -
Steelshiv✭✭✭✭If I get back from my month long vacation and the racials are still garbage for 60% of the races then I'm officially done and will donate my 1 mil gold, 6 mil AP, and whatever other junk I have to one active player on PC/NA11 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This patch sucks and didn’t do anything but remove Argonian, Bosmer, and Khajiit from having a competitive niche
Well, I guess Khajiit are now the de facto no-combat stealth race because Bosmer literally can’t be anymoreEdited by Jhalin on February 18, 2019 9:56PM6 -
D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This patch sucks and didn’t do anything but remove Argonian, Bosmer, and Khajiit from having a competitive niche
Well, I guess Khajiit are now the de facto no-combat stealth race because Bosmer literally can’t be anymore
If it's any consolation, I did Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood on a slow Tanky ass Imperial DK tank without getting noticed. It wasn't easy, but possible. I've also ganked Stealthblades on a Redguard StamDK. Maybe they can buff stealth in Medium Armor?0 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This patch sucks and didn’t do anything but remove Argonian, Bosmer, and Khajiit from having a competitive niche
Well, I guess Khajiit are now the de facto no-combat stealth race because Bosmer literally can’t be anymore
If it's any consolation, I did Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood on a slow Tanky ass Imperial DK tank without getting noticed. It wasn't easy, but possible. I've also ganked Stealthblades on a Redguard StamDK. Maybe they can buff stealth in Medium Armor?
That does nothing to address a stealth race having its stealth removed. Adding more into sets does not restore their stealthiness as a race.9 -
WhyMustItBe✭✭✭✭✭
✭Did I miss something or were people not saying Khajiit was getting 10% crit DAMAGE passive? Did they remove that or were they mistaken or talking something else like being able to run shadow mundus instead of thief or something?
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✭✭✭✭✭WhyMustItBe wrote: »Did I miss something or were people not saying Khajiit was getting 10% crit DAMAGE passive? Did they remove that or were they mistaken or talking something else like being able to run shadow mundus instead of thief or something?
Nope, bro, you are as ruined as your fellow bosmer from Falinesti forest where we used to fight each other, and our altmer overlords in same position. AD will be overrun by DC soon.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OP, i may send you thousands of my garnets and citrines, when i re-install the game.3 -
Wildbloom✭✭✭✭I'll trade my sneaky bosmer trait for the zone guide and guild store upgrade any day. If I want to be sneaky, I'll equip sneaky gear! Plus, they've hinted that they want to improve everyone's stealth at some point, so I wouldn't be surprised if we got buffed back up and then some, perhaps through an extension of the Legerdemain line.
It's not the end of the world! (But it -does- hurt, as a bosmer stamblade main...)"Hello, Skellington Pal! How are you today? Bone dry, you say? I’d offer you a glass of water, but it’d all fall through! I need more coffee."
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D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This patch sucks and didn’t do anything but remove Argonian, Bosmer, and Khajiit from having a competitive niche
Well, I guess Khajiit are now the de facto no-combat stealth race because Bosmer literally can’t be anymore
If it's any consolation, I did Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood on a slow Tanky ass Imperial DK tank without getting noticed. It wasn't easy, but possible. I've also ganked Stealthblades on a Redguard StamDK. Maybe they can buff stealth in Medium Armor?
That does nothing to address a stealth race having its stealth removed. Adding more into sets does not restore their stealthiness as a race.
What im saying is they'll likely have an option to get the passive(s) via another skill line. One that everyone can get.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WHy ? I skimmed through them, nothing not worthy that would make me go THAT'S IT I QUIT3 -
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✭JamieAubrey wrote: »WHy ? I skimmed through them, nothing not worthy that would make me go THAT'S IT I QUIT
Kinda amazed the OP didn't bother to link the notes he was talking about, but this kinda seems like a joke thread anyway so whatevs. For the record though, they are talking about these (mainly the racial carpet bombing):
PTS Patch Notes v4.3.0
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Kalle_Demos✭✭✭✭✭This patch sucks and didn’t do anything but remove Argonian, Bosmer, and Khajiit from having a competitive niche
Well, I guess Khajiit are now the de facto no-combat stealth race because Bosmer literally can’t be anymore
If it's any consolation, I did Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood on a slow Tanky ass Imperial DK tank without getting noticed. It wasn't easy, but possible. I've also ganked Stealthblades on a Redguard StamDK. Maybe they can buff stealth in Medium Armor?
That does nothing to address a stealth race having its stealth removed. Adding more into sets does not restore their stealthiness as a race.
What im saying is they'll likely have an option to get the passive(s) via another skill line. One that everyone can get.
And when will that be? A year? Two? What are Bosmer players who based their entire play style around stealth to do in the mean time? The main point that many have been trying to get across is that Bosmer are supposed to be stealthier that the other races. That's what they bring to the table, that's why they were chosen, that's why players like to play them and not just in ESO but throughout the series. Improving stealth for everyone does not solve this issue.
"If I am to be Queen, I must look fear in the face and conquer it. How can I ask my people to have faith in me if I don't have faith in myself?" - Queen Ayrenn8 -
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✭What gets me is ZOS's willingness to just remove entire chunks of racial history on a whim in order to 'balance' racials which end up being MORE unbalanced (6-7% between lowest and highest vs. ~5% now) after the dust settles.
It would be far better to just break racials into tiers and let you spec into them as CHARACTER passives.
Much more RPG friendly as well.
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Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This patch sucks and didn’t do anything but remove Argonian, Bosmer, and Khajiit from having a competitive niche
Well, I guess Khajiit are now the de facto no-combat stealth race because Bosmer literally can’t be anymore
If it's any consolation, I did Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood on a slow Tanky ass Imperial DK tank without getting noticed. It wasn't easy, but possible. I've also ganked Stealthblades on a Redguard StamDK. Maybe they can buff stealth in Medium Armor?
That does nothing to address a stealth race having its stealth removed. Adding more into sets does not restore their stealthiness as a race.
What im saying is they'll likely have an option to get the passive(s) via another skill line. One that everyone can get.
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That’s the point! A race that’s always excelled at stealth has become no better than any other race at being stealthy, five years after their stealthiness has been established by the game.
That is wrong, and goes against all the lore on them as a hunter culture, not to mention the bonuses given to them in all the former games to their stealth capabilities if retaining their lore isn’t a concern to you.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This patch sucks and didn’t do anything but remove Argonian, Bosmer, and Khajiit from having a competitive niche
Well, I guess Khajiit are now the de facto no-combat stealth race because Bosmer literally can’t be anymore
If it's any consolation, I did Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood on a slow Tanky ass Imperial DK tank without getting noticed. It wasn't easy, but possible. I've also ganked Stealthblades on a Redguard StamDK. Maybe they can buff stealth in Medium Armor?
That does nothing to address a stealth race having its stealth removed. Adding more into sets does not restore their stealthiness as a race.
What im saying is they'll likely have an option to get the passive(s) via another skill line. One that everyone can get.
Even with any future changes (which I doubt, how many years did it take for them to put text search in the trader UI?) a 6 foot Imperial will still stealth better than a 3 foot Bosmer.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭When I (eventually) leave I'm taking my stuff with me just to spite the people who ask, and I have a lot of stuff. Truly, a hoard worthy of song.forever stuck in combat5 -
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✭✭Kalle_Demos wrote: »This patch sucks and didn’t do anything but remove Argonian, Bosmer, and Khajiit from having a competitive niche
Well, I guess Khajiit are now the de facto no-combat stealth race because Bosmer literally can’t be anymore
If it's any consolation, I did Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood on a slow Tanky ass Imperial DK tank without getting noticed. It wasn't easy, but possible. I've also ganked Stealthblades on a Redguard StamDK. Maybe they can buff stealth in Medium Armor?
That does nothing to address a stealth race having its stealth removed. Adding more into sets does not restore their stealthiness as a race.
What im saying is they'll likely have an option to get the passive(s) via another skill line. One that everyone can get.
And when will that be? A year? Two? What are Bosmer players who based their entire play style around stealth to do in the mean time? The main point that many have been trying to get across is that Bosmer are supposed to be stealthier that the other races. That's what they bring to the table, that's why they were chosen, that's why players like to play them and not just in ESO but throughout the series. Improving stealth for everyone does not solve this issue.
Bosmer were never stealthier than other races in this game. Their stealthy passive was used for for the damage increase while stealthed, mostly on a Nightblade, sometimes a Stamsorc for Overload ganking. That stealth radius passive is nothing on a Nightblade who already have stealth passives and the obvious cloak. You can spam cloak and double take and still thieve or murder without getting detected. It was not make or break. Lore wise it worked, but functionally, it wasn't anything special and any bonus was negligable. You can literally cloak into the hiding barrel infront of any enemy and you will not get detected. The radius passive was old and outdated once DB and TG skill lines happenedEdited by D0PAMINE on February 19, 2019 1:39AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭Kalle_Demos wrote: »This patch sucks and didn’t do anything but remove Argonian, Bosmer, and Khajiit from having a competitive niche
Well, I guess Khajiit are now the de facto no-combat stealth race because Bosmer literally can’t be anymore
If it's any consolation, I did Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood on a slow Tanky ass Imperial DK tank without getting noticed. It wasn't easy, but possible. I've also ganked Stealthblades on a Redguard StamDK. Maybe they can buff stealth in Medium Armor?
That does nothing to address a stealth race having its stealth removed. Adding more into sets does not restore their stealthiness as a race.
What im saying is they'll likely have an option to get the passive(s) via another skill line. One that everyone can get.
And when will that be? A year? Two? What are Bosmer players who based their entire play style around stealth to do in the mean time? The main point that many have been trying to get across is that Bosmer are supposed to be stealthier that the other races. That's what they bring to the table, that's why they were chosen, that's why players like to play them and not just in ESO but throughout the series. Improving stealth for everyone does not solve this issue.
Bosmer were never stealthier than other races in this game. Their stealthy passive was used for for the damage increase while stealthed, mostly on a Nightblade, sometimes a Stamsorc for Overload ganking. That stealth radius passive is nothing on a Nightblade who already have stealth passives and the obvious cloak. You can spam cloak and double take and still thieve or murder without getting detected. It was not make or break. Lore wise it worked, but functionally, it wasn't anything special and any bonus was negligable. You can literally cloak into the hiding barrel infront of any enemy and you will not get detected.
Yes, they were. You could never ever reach a smaller stealth radius on an Imperial than you could on a Bosmer.
Stop bringing classes into this discussion about racial passives.
And furthermore, the biggest backlash from this change has never been about the increased damage from stealth. No one has been complaining about losing out on a bonus they could get elsewhere, that furthermore had little to no effect on PvE gameplay.
They could fix all of these complaints just by giving bosmer their 3m decreased radius back instead of a stealth detection that has zero use even in PvP. The dodge rolling passive is pointless in PvE, but at least it has some minuscule use in PvP.
People are rightfully pi**ed off that Bosmer lost all their stealth bonuses after being marketed as a stealthy race for, again, five years8
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