Is this even legal?

Gnozo

Nothing works in this game. Lag is terrible EVERY DAY! EVERY. DAY.!

You cant play PvP at all in this game. I come home from work, its 6pm. I join Cyro. And nothing works. Cant survive cause healing skills dont fire or you dont even get the heal from it, even tho, it used your ressources. You cant kill cause your skills dont fire off and you cant burst anything or apply pressure.

You dodge roll and your skills are locked for 4 seconds, you cant break free or you break free and your skills are STILL locked. FPS drop to 15 with and 1080 TI and an INTEL CORE I7-9700K for no reason at all.

BG´s queue take 30 minutes for a 10 minute fight. You literally spend 66% of the time waiting for your Queue! THIS IS A JOKE! Group Finder is bugged for YEARS and its still not fixed. Dungeonfinder with a 4 man pre made team: "Someone declined the invite". Nice one ZOS, nice joke.

Employees of ZOS making fun of this problem and after they apologized for this "joke" they dont even delete if afterwards. Who can take them serious?

"Engineers" working on the Stuck-In-Combat-Bug for Months now and nothing! Snipe Health Desync since Years and after 5 years they say some "engineers" working on this? Thats a joke.

They acknowledge that communication was lacking a lot and that they want to improve it. The last Dev respond was 5 days ago and the other communication is just about some Events or things where we can spend money on. Where is your "improved" communication?

This game is a BETA or even less and is sold for 5 years now. Full price, Premium Membership, Ingame Store full of things to spend, Every 3 months more content to spend money on and the technical state of this game is utter garbage.

FIX YOUR GAME!

Suddwrath

It really is only a matter of time until ZOS faces a lawsuit one way or the other.

Browiseth

it's certainly legal, yes.

sorry you had a bad day in cyro though

Gnozo

Browiseth wrote: »

it's certainly legal, yes.

sorry you had a bad day in cyro though

"a" bad day? Lag is everyday. Some specific skills are even useless to slot in cyro. Templar jabs wont hit anything in prime time. Try to kill guards on a ressource with jabs, good luck tho

BrokenString

Legal? Yes. Cool? No.

I agree that the game is The Lag Scrolls Online but I'm not a programmer or an engineer so I cant say if it is lazyness, crown store first or if they are doing the best they can. Maybe there's just no way to improve the system. Maybe...

It sucks to play at low fps and high latency even with a beast of a computer and fast internet conection.

Mudcrabber

I have a mobile GTX 1060, about 1/3 as fast as your 1080 Ti, and I get 60fps just about everywhere at 1920x1080, medium graphics. The only time it drops is when Master Merchant updates its listings.

When I had a GTX 750 (about 1/10th of your 1080 Ti), I was still getting 30-60 fps at 1920x1080. A lot of ESO is CPU bound, though your CPU's a lot better than mine as well.

Heals in Cyrodiil are nerfed 50% by battle spirit, same as damage. Players can reduce it further with defile or the siphoner CP.

Then getting locked up and killed in PvP can seem like a glitch if you play in 1st person instead of 3rd. First-person doesn't communicate status effects well, so maybe you need to break free, but all you see is that your controls are locked.

I can't speak for battlegrounds though. I've avoided those so far.

West1389

Join the train go look in the EU server threads a lot of people are getting fed up. No communication at all game stays broke. When the new patch comes out I'll bet it takes down a lot more then puts in.

BrokenString

Mudcrabber wrote: »

I have a mobile GTX 1060, about 1/3 as fast as your 1080 Ti, and I get 60fps just about everywhere at 1920x1080, medium graphics. The only time it drops is when Master Merchant updates its listings.

When I had a GTX 750 (about 1/10th of your 1080 Ti), I was still getting 30-60 fps at 1920x1080. A lot of ESO is CPU bound, though your CPU's a lot better than mine as well.

Heals in Cyrodiil are nerfed 50% by battle spirit, same as damage. Players can reduce it further with defile or the siphoner CP.

Then getting locked up and killed in PvP can seem like a glitch if you play in 1st person instead of 3rd. First-person doesn't communicate status effects well, so maybe you need to break free, but all you see is that your controls are locked.

I can't speak for battlegrounds though. I've avoided those so far.

I dont know man, other people told me that they have good fps with a lower spec computer. Maybe some specific CPUs and GPUs dont work really well with this game. But as OP stated, 1080 TI with an I7 9700 this game should be smooth af. Also SSD helps

Royaji

Definitely legal. You've agreed to all of that yourself. ZOS can flip the switch and say the game is gone from tommorow and it will still be legal. Maybe really not cool, but legal.

iiYuki

Cyrodiil and BGs have been unplayable for me since the latest patch and before that Cyrodiil was border-lining unplayable.
I dont understand, 1080Ti + 7700k installed on an ssd its not even funny anymore, I barely touch PVE anymore trials are a gamble if you even get past the load screen and if you do its just constant disconnects and lag to unplayable levels.
Dungeon queue is often 30-40 minutes + if you dont get the infinite "declined invite" bug, the "instance is full" bug, an infinite load screen as you enter and so on.
PvP is just beyond broken you press the key and nothing happens the resource goes but you never cast, you bar swap and nothing happens then 3 seconds later you swap bars several times in a row, other abilities go off seconds after you cast them and some just dont cast at all even after several presses of the key.
My ESO+ sub ran out today and tbh I'm not renewing for the first time in years. The game actually gets WORSE over time, there are bugs from YEARS ago now that don't even get acknowledged, no dev comments, no forum activity or whatever and they decide out of nowhere to nerf classes randomly, mess with races, add MORE F***ING RESKINS to the god damn cash store.
I am honestly on the edge right now of just quitting, which makes me so sad, I've had so much fun on this game and it just gets ruined over and over again by the pure incompetence of the ZO$ team.

Defilted

OP sounds like the player is a EU player?? The XBOX NA server is decent in Shor and laggy/delayed in Vivec.

I hope it does get improved for you.

Hexys

It just makes me sad because Cyrodiil is an awesome place to spend your time in, the lagg is very bad and over the years it hasn't improved. After 4 years I sometimes still ask myself, why do I still play? Why do I have hope that one day lagg will be over?

For me as a working person, I don't get to enjoy ESO monday - friday as prime time is junk. Only in the weekends I get to enjoy quality CP PvP in the mornings till 2pm when the lagg starts and the fun is over.

Problem is not the devs, I'm sure of that, they are dedicated towards their game and love what they created. There is just some boss above them that says cash first.

Papachico

Mudcrabber wrote: »

I have a mobile GTX 1060, about 1/3 as fast as your 1080 Ti, and I get 60fps just about everywhere at 1920x1080, medium graphics. The only time it drops is when Master Merchant updates its listings.

When I had a GTX 750 (about 1/10th of your 1080 Ti), I was still getting 30-60 fps at 1920x1080. A lot of ESO is CPU bound, though your CPU's a lot better than mine as well.

Heals in Cyrodiil are nerfed 50% by battle spirit, same as damage. Players can reduce it further with defile or the siphoner CP.

Then getting locked up and killed in PvP can seem like a glitch if you play in 1st person instead of 3rd. First-person doesn't communicate status effects well, so maybe you need to break free, but all you see is that your controls are locked.

I can't speak for battlegrounds though. I've avoided those so far.

Ah thank you man! turns out Lag never was the problem it's just battle spirit... stupid no one ever thought of it. Btw could you make me a Big Mac with fries and coca-cola since I figured you work at Mac Donald's or something.

klowdy1

Papachico wrote: »

Mudcrabber wrote: »

I have a mobile GTX 1060, about 1/3 as fast as your 1080 Ti, and I get 60fps just about everywhere at 1920x1080, medium graphics. The only time it drops is when Master Merchant updates its listings.

When I had a GTX 750 (about 1/10th of your 1080 Ti), I was still getting 30-60 fps at 1920x1080. A lot of ESO is CPU bound, though your CPU's a lot better than mine as well.

Heals in Cyrodiil are nerfed 50% by battle spirit, same as damage. Players can reduce it further with defile or the siphoner CP.

Then getting locked up and killed in PvP can seem like a glitch if you play in 1st person instead of 3rd. First-person doesn't communicate status effects well, so maybe you need to break free, but all you see is that your controls are locked.

I can't speak for battlegrounds though. I've avoided those so far.

Ah thank you man! turns out Lag never was the problem it's just battle spirit... stupid no one ever thought of it. Btw could you make me a Big Mac with fries and coca-cola since I figured you work at Mac Donald's or something.

This is needlessly rude, and could get you in trouble. Instead of seeing everyone as the enemy, try thinking that some people are trying to offer some form of consolation, because none of us can fix the problems in the game. Maybe dial back the mean girl a bit.

misfitmanic

Hexys wrote: »

It just makes me sad because Cyrodiil is an awesome place to spend your time in, the lagg is very bad and over the years it hasn't improved. After 4 years I sometimes still ask myself, why do I still play? Why do I have hope that one day lagg will be over?

For me as a working person, I don't get to enjoy ESO monday - friday as prime time is junk. Only in the weekends I get to enjoy quality CP PvP in the mornings till 2pm when the lagg starts and the fun is over.

Problem is not the devs, I'm sure of that, they are dedicated towards their game and love what they created. There is just some boss above them that says cash first.

This, time a million. This is the story of how I have spent the past 4 years... ^^^\
Please ZoS, take action and save your game.

Hurbster

Is it worse than during the recent event in Cyro ?I levelled 4 characters to get caltrops, ect and didn't notice the lag being too bad ? And my pc is about 3 years old now.

LiraTaurwen

If it's legal it should be made ilegal. Who the hell sells a product that doesn't work?

FlyingSwan

Is it legal? It depends where you live, in the EU digital content must be 'fit for purpose', or you can reject it. The UK government describe this example, "“A consumer pays to download a game from a website. When they start to play it, the game is clearly faulty. As the game is faulty, the consumer can claim a repair, refund or replacement of the game under their right to the digital content being of satisfactory quality."

That said, 'faulty' is not defined in this example case, so we'd need to define what that means.

I live in the UK and think the game sucks right now by the way, just explaining the realities.

Seenoevil

It's not illegal. Even though what is promised is High end AvA and good quality gameplay you are not forced to play the game. Because zos acknowledge problems it impedes any sort of legal lawsuit placed against them. The only way you could form any legal dispute is if you could play on the addiction card.

Mmos are highly addictive and is basically why they won't ever shut down the servers for a huge maintenance haul... 3 days without the game and you look elsewhere. The reason for the daily log in rewards... the daily writs and quests is to feed an addiction.

If you was to say your addicted to the game...missed work,it impeded with your every day real life, and could prove either a mental of physical withdrawal from the game maybe just maybe you could say the service promised is sub par and not to standards advertised. But that's a stretch

Juhasow

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

If it's legal it should be made ilegal. Who the hell sells a product that doesn't work?

Like half of the game industry currently ? Welcome in 2019.

Emmagoldman

The joke was hillarious. Of course they want it fixed. They even said a year ago that they are unsure of what it is.

What are you playing on? On pc na, my que for bgs is usually 1 min.

Let me guess, your playing on vivec. Its a massively populated zone. When you get that many players in on spot, there a lot to calculate and you will have lag. Im not sure why guilds arent migrating to shor.

Other issues, such as load screen I agree on, or movement bugs

DaveMoeDee

Mudcrabber wrote: »

I have a mobile GTX 1060, about 1/3 as fast as your 1080 Ti, and I get 60fps just about everywhere at 1920x1080, medium graphics. The only time it drops is when Master Merchant updates its listings.

When I had a GTX 750 (about 1/10th of your 1080 Ti), I was still getting 30-60 fps at 1920x1080. A lot of ESO is CPU bound, though your CPU's a lot better than mine as well.

Heals in Cyrodiil are nerfed 50% by battle spirit, same as damage. Players can reduce it further with defile or the siphoner CP.

Then getting locked up and killed in PvP can seem like a glitch if you play in 1st person instead of 3rd. First-person doesn't communicate status effects well, so maybe you need to break free, but all you see is that your controls are locked.

I can't speak for battlegrounds though. I've avoided those so far.

Yeah, Master Merchant really is brutal when I log on. Game is generally fine otherwise. I don't really PvP much, so I dont' know about that, but this thread is in 'general ESO discussions.'

DeadlyRecluse

Something can be crappy, but legal.

Eso isn't even *that* crappy.

LiraTaurwen

Emmagoldman wrote: »

The joke was hillarious. Of course they want it fixed. They even said a year ago that they are unsure of what it is.

What are you playing on? On pc na, my que for bgs is usually 1 min.

Let me guess, your playing on vivec. Its a massively populated zone. When you get that many players in on spot, there a lot to calculate and you will have lag. Im not sure why guilds arent migrating to shor.

Other issues, such as load screen I agree on, or movement bugs

some of you must be blind to no see what's happening on EU server really... this is not about pvp anymore. Sometimes we can't even do dungeons because of the lag, dungeon finder doesn't work alot of times, BG queue is broken too etc

FlyingSwan

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

The joke was hillarious. Of course they want it fixed. They even said a year ago that they are unsure of what it is.

What are you playing on? On pc na, my que for bgs is usually 1 min.

Let me guess, your playing on vivec. Its a massively populated zone. When you get that many players in on spot, there a lot to calculate and you will have lag. Im not sure why guilds arent migrating to shor.

Other issues, such as load screen I agree on, or movement bugs

some of you must be blind to no see what's happening on EU server really... this is not about pvp anymore. Sometimes we can't even do dungeons because of the lag, dungeon finder doesn't work alot of times, BG queue is broken too etc

There's an interesting leaflet on this subject here, writted by the UK government. https://www.businesscompanion.info/sites/default/files/CRA-Digital-Content-Guidance-for-Business-Sep-2015.pdf

They try to define when digital content is defective:

"The quality of the digital content will always include its state and condition. Other aspects of quality that may be relevant to determining whether the digital content is satisfactory include, but are not limited to:
fitness for all the purposes for whichthe type of digital content in question is usually supplied
freedom from minor defects
safety (for example, how secure the digital content is)
durability (for example, the lifespan of the digital content)"

'Freedom from minor defects', I'm still waiting for ESO to be free from major defects!

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Hello there,

With there already being an active thread on this matter that can be found here, we're going to go ahead and close this one down. Feel free to continue this discussion on that thread, and be sure to keep the Forum Rules in mind when doing so, discussing legal matters is not a constructive way to lead a thread.

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