Lich Polymorph

Vildebill

Long time since we had a new polymorph in the crown store. I suggest adding a lich polymorph, with the floating and everything.

jlmurra2

Yes, please. Perfect for all the soon to be Necromancers.

Tasear

This would sell so well, especially around chapter launch.

Scythe_Mercer

It’d be cool if it changed depending on race and gender buuuuut this is ZOS so that may be a stretch.

Jolipinator

Only if it wears shorts.

@ZOS_LichRambert

bluebird

The basic problems with the Lich (and other similar extreme mobs) is that polymoprhs aren't out of combat character transformations. They are permanent model changes that you have to be able to use in combat, while riding, while crafting, etc. That's why all polys are humanoid models with slight cosmetic alterations (skeleton humanoid model, stone-skinned humanoid model, xivkyn humanoid model, skeleton humanoid model with a beak attached, etc.)

You can see this problem with the Wrath of Crows, which normally looks like this (talons, double-jointed bird legs, wings):

But had to be changed into a humanoid model (human skeleton in a dress with a beak) like this:

So the only way Lich would be possible as a polymorph if they forgot about the floating altogether, reworked the skirt and gave them skeletal legs. In which case it's just another skeleton poly with a fancy dress. (Not saying they shouldn't do it, just saying that most of its unique features would be lost).

If they finally added older item models to outfit styles, such as the Lich set, you'd basicly have a Lich polymorph if you combined it with a Soul-Shriven skin

PS: Seriously ZOS, add already existing in-game styles to outfit styles already, thanks

Vildebill

bluebird wrote: »

The basic problems with the Lich (and other similar extreme mobs) is that polymoprhs aren't out of combat character transformations. They are permanent model changes that you have to be able to use in combat, while riding, while crafting, etc. That's why all polys are humanoid models with slight cosmetic alterations (skeleton humanoid model, stone-skinned humanoid model, xivkyn humanoid model, skeleton humanoid model with a beak attached, etc.)

You can see this problem with the Wrath of Crows, which normally looks like this (talons, double-jointed bird legs, wings):

But had to be changed into a humanoid model (human skeleton in a dress with a beak) like this:

So the only way Lich would be possible as a polymorph if they forgot about the floating altogether, reworked the skirt and gave them skeletal legs. In which case it's just another skeleton poly with a fancy dress. (Not saying they shouldn't do it, just saying that most of its unique features would be lost).

If they finally added older item models to outfit styles, such as the Lich set, you'd basicly have a Lich polymorph if you combined it with a Soul-Shriven skin

PS: Seriously ZOS, add already existing in-game styles to outfit styles already, thanks

I don't see any reason why the floating would limit crafting, riding and being in combat. The model and physics obviously do exist in and out of combat since liches appear eveywhere. They're just a little bit bigger than the character size we have now, which of course can be altered. And when mounting, the lich can sit just like any other character. It's just a removal of the legs, the rest of the body moves around like any other humanoid.

Shawn_PT

I would prefer a personality to be honest. Couple days ago I was standing in a delve and watching as a Worm Cult enemy had some really neat animations. Namely, instead of walking back and forth while patrolling, he'd rise up like in the Scalecaller mementos, float forward just like a lich, and then drop down when he stopped.

Would be nice on a lich personality, or maybe a vampire lord personality. Plus it would allow players to customize the looks instead of everyone looking like a wrinkled corpse on a purple dress.

bluebird

Vildebill wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

The basic problems with the Lich (and other similar extreme mobs) is that polymoprhs aren't out of combat character transformations. They are permanent model changes that you have to be able to use in combat, while riding, while crafting, etc. That's why all polys are humanoid models with slight cosmetic alterations (skeleton humanoid model, stone-skinned humanoid model, xivkyn humanoid model, skeleton humanoid model with a beak attached, etc.)

You can see this problem with the Wrath of Crows, which normally looks like this (talons, double-jointed bird legs, wings):

But had to be changed into a humanoid model (human skeleton in a dress with a beak) like this:

So the only way Lich would be possible as a polymorph if they forgot about the floating altogether, reworked the skirt and gave them skeletal legs. In which case it's just another skeleton poly with a fancy dress. (Not saying they shouldn't do it, just saying that most of its unique features would be lost).

If they finally added older item models to outfit styles, such as the Lich set, you'd basicly have a Lich polymorph if you combined it with a Soul-Shriven skin

PS: Seriously ZOS, add already existing in-game styles to outfit styles already, thanks

I don't see any reason why the floating would limit crafting, riding and being in combat. The model and physics obviously do exist in and out of combat since liches appear eveywhere. They're just a little bit bigger than the character size we have now, which of course can be altered. And when mounting, the lich can sit just like any other character. It's just a removal of the legs, the rest of the body moves around like any other humanoid.

If by floating you mean they could give invisible legs to lich, I guess sure But almost all animations use legs, and specifically human legs, so even when you'd be blocking, your 'stance' would change. Sure if they somehow made the legs invisible that would keep the floating appearance, I just don't think they'd find a way to apply animations for a torso separately from a floating skirt. The Lich would also have to swim and be able to be knocked down and sleep and use other emotes so it needs to have - functional, if not visible - legs.

It's probably not impossible, just extremely unlikely that they'd spend so much development time and money for one single polymorph when they took the easy practical route before (Wraith of Crows example). Plus, personalities affect your animations, not polymorphs, so the Lich poly would have to have a separate animation set entirely, otherwise you're just using the same sprinting and running and head-bobbing while you're supposed to be floating.

Vildebill

bluebird wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

The basic problems with the Lich (and other similar extreme mobs) is that polymoprhs aren't out of combat character transformations. They are permanent model changes that you have to be able to use in combat, while riding, while crafting, etc. That's why all polys are humanoid models with slight cosmetic alterations (skeleton humanoid model, stone-skinned humanoid model, xivkyn humanoid model, skeleton humanoid model with a beak attached, etc.)

You can see this problem with the Wrath of Crows, which normally looks like this (talons, double-jointed bird legs, wings):

But had to be changed into a humanoid model (human skeleton in a dress with a beak) like this:

So the only way Lich would be possible as a polymorph if they forgot about the floating altogether, reworked the skirt and gave them skeletal legs. In which case it's just another skeleton poly with a fancy dress. (Not saying they shouldn't do it, just saying that most of its unique features would be lost).

If they finally added older item models to outfit styles, such as the Lich set, you'd basicly have a Lich polymorph if you combined it with a Soul-Shriven skin

PS: Seriously ZOS, add already existing in-game styles to outfit styles already, thanks

I don't see any reason why the floating would limit crafting, riding and being in combat. The model and physics obviously do exist in and out of combat since liches appear eveywhere. They're just a little bit bigger than the character size we have now, which of course can be altered. And when mounting, the lich can sit just like any other character. It's just a removal of the legs, the rest of the body moves around like any other humanoid.

If by floating you mean they could give invisible legs to lich, I guess sure But almost all animations use legs, and specifically human legs, so even when you'd be blocking, your 'stance' would change. Sure if they somehow made the legs invisible that would keep the floating appearance, I just don't think they'd find a way to apply animations for a torso separately from a floating skirt. The Lich would also have to swim and be able to be knocked down and sleep and use other emotes so it needs to have - functional, if not visible - legs.

It's probably not impossible, just extremely unlikely that they'd spend so much development time and money for one single polymorph when they took the easy practical route before (Wraith of Crows example). Plus, personalities affect your animations, not polymorphs, so the Lich poly would have to have a separate animation set entirely, otherwise you're just using the same sprinting and running and head-bobbing while you're supposed to be floating.

Yeah probably. But one could dream right

SaintSubwayy

its a nice idea overall

If its possible to implement it -> I dunno

but first they need to finally fix the servers performance, before we get new toys like polymorphs.

bluebird

Vildebill wrote: »

Yeah probably. But one could dream right

Of course! I also agree it would be nice! I'm just reluctant to set my expectations high - I suppose I'm happy that the Wraith of Crows poly exists at all, even with the changes, rather than them saying categorically no to it because it would be hard to implement.

Perashim

Yes please! Whether it be outfit or polymorph, I would love for my future necromancer to "ascend" to lichdom in some way.

siddique

Lich is just so bad ass. I love their attacks too.

Jurand80

Vildebill wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

The basic problems with the Lich (and other similar extreme mobs) is that polymoprhs aren't out of combat character transformations. They are permanent model changes that you have to be able to use in combat, while riding, while crafting, etc. That's why all polys are humanoid models with slight cosmetic alterations (skeleton humanoid model, stone-skinned humanoid model, xivkyn humanoid model, skeleton humanoid model with a beak attached, etc.)

You can see this problem with the Wrath of Crows, which normally looks like this (talons, double-jointed bird legs, wings):

But had to be changed into a humanoid model (human skeleton in a dress with a beak) like this:

So the only way Lich would be possible as a polymorph if they forgot about the floating altogether, reworked the skirt and gave them skeletal legs. In which case it's just another skeleton poly with a fancy dress. (Not saying they shouldn't do it, just saying that most of its unique features would be lost).

If they finally added older item models to outfit styles, such as the Lich set, you'd basicly have a Lich polymorph if you combined it with a Soul-Shriven skin

PS: Seriously ZOS, add already existing in-game styles to outfit styles already, thanks

I don't see any reason why the floating would limit crafting, riding and being in combat. The model and physics obviously do exist in and out of combat since liches appear eveywhere. They're just a little bit bigger than the character size we have now, which of course can be altered. And when mounting, the lich can sit just like any other character. It's just a removal of the legs, the rest of the body moves around like any other humanoid.

The devs must be laughing hard reading this.

generalmyrick

Vildebill wrote: »

Long time since we had a new polymorph in the crown store. I suggest adding a lich polymorph, with the floating and everything.

DAMN YOU!!!!

I'm cheap but if ESO does this i might go into the poor house!@!!!! :-)

bardx86

I need this!

Inhuman003

Like the idea a lot but the problem is with will ZoS let us hover off the ground when we walk and run?

TheNightflame

I'd much rather they give us style pages for the lich outfit style, and a memento that lasts a long time like the crown crate cosmetic ones, for the two shoulder braziers

bluebird

TheNightflame wrote: »

I'd much rather they give us style pages for the lich outfit style, and a memento that lasts a long time like the crown crate cosmetic ones, for the two shoulder braziers

Ooh, shoulder brazier memento would indeed be cool! I was excited when they introduced it as a proc of the Caluurion's set, but those only appear briefly But since the model is already in the game for players, transforming it into a memento would be nice, and would certainly make a lot of people happy with the upcoming Necro class!

Urvoth

I want a lich world skill line.

Vildebill

Jurand80 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

The basic problems with the Lich (and other similar extreme mobs) is that polymoprhs aren't out of combat character transformations. They are permanent model changes that you have to be able to use in combat, while riding, while crafting, etc. That's why all polys are humanoid models with slight cosmetic alterations (skeleton humanoid model, stone-skinned humanoid model, xivkyn humanoid model, skeleton humanoid model with a beak attached, etc.)

You can see this problem with the Wrath of Crows, which normally looks like this (talons, double-jointed bird legs, wings):

But had to be changed into a humanoid model (human skeleton in a dress with a beak) like this:

So the only way Lich would be possible as a polymorph if they forgot about the floating altogether, reworked the skirt and gave them skeletal legs. In which case it's just another skeleton poly with a fancy dress. (Not saying they shouldn't do it, just saying that most of its unique features would be lost).

If they finally added older item models to outfit styles, such as the Lich set, you'd basicly have a Lich polymorph if you combined it with a Soul-Shriven skin

PS: Seriously ZOS, add already existing in-game styles to outfit styles already, thanks

I don't see any reason why the floating would limit crafting, riding and being in combat. The model and physics obviously do exist in and out of combat since liches appear eveywhere. They're just a little bit bigger than the character size we have now, which of course can be altered. And when mounting, the lich can sit just like any other character. It's just a removal of the legs, the rest of the body moves around like any other humanoid.

The devs must be laughing hard reading this.

Thanks for sharing!

Eldartar

Vildebill wrote: »

Long time since we had a new polymorph in the crown store. I suggest adding a lich polymorph, with the floating and everything.

YES, OH YES PLEASE!!

Vildebill

bluebird wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Yeah probably. But one could dream right

Of course! I also agree it would be nice! I'm just reluctant to set my expectations high - I suppose I'm happy that the Wraith of Crows poly exists at all, even with the changes, rather than them saying categorically no to it because it would be hard to implement.

Yeah I agree totally. Too bad I missed wraith of crows polymorph, it looks great.

Erissime

All about that lich is the helm - floating of any kind is impossible to be used ( as stated above - avatar must be able to do things). And for that there is the Nerien'eth monster set, which can be turned into quite the lich outfit.

Rukia541

Now that would be badass

Revokus

Eldartar wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Long time since we had a new polymorph in the crown store. I suggest adding a lich polymorph, with the floating and everything.

YES, OH YES PLEASE!!

First I need lich motif we still haven’t got and Nerien’eth weapon style ! But yes to lich polymorph too. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert

RefLiberty

It not col actually as a Store Item.
Because if that is to be a Store item from Crowns (not talking about loot boxes), you would have a army of toons running around is the same polymorph, making it look stupid actually, with 100 same looking toons on the map running around like muppets.
I would rather put is a some kind of achievement reward so you actually need to play the game to get it.

lelink88

pleaseeeeeeee ! Great ideaa

TheShadowScout

Erissime wrote: »

All about that lich is the helm - floating of any kind is impossible to be used...

...except for singular actions. Like a certain self-healing skill in the Psijic line.

It also -would- be possible for a personality... in -exactly- the way the "drunk" personality handles the "drunk walk" - active whole walking, but stops as soon as you do anything else (running, drawing your weapon, crafting, etc.) - such a personality would be cool for would-be saints, or overly magical mages, or... yes, indeed, wannabe liches.
And thus it would make a great addition!

...

As for Lich... it has been said, it would be much better then a polymorph if they released the old incomplete Lich motiv for the outfit system, and let people combine that with soul shriven skin... and a Nerien’eth weapon set in the crown store.

Also more profitable for them - sell the weapons for crowns, put the outfit in an event where some might buy tickets for crowns, and add the personality to some crown crates... extra profit!


Oh, and maybe, just maaaaaybe... one day add a third "status" world skill line like vampire or werewolf... "Undead" that is not magica or stamina supporting, but resiliance supporting (after all, the thing about undead is that they are supposed to be tricky to kill for being already dead, right?)
And anyone who wants to truly be a lich... could go there on a magica character.