Monster Set for Magblade

thedude33

I have been using Skoria with Spinners and War Maiden in PvE. Don't think Skoria will be good for PvP because I don't want to use dots. Any suggestions for

A: Monster Set
B: Something other than War Maiden

mav1234

A: Depends on what your build is lacking; I usually go with either TK or Pirate Skelly (depending on Vampire) for my magblade. I've had decent luck using engine guardian too. If I want damage, I actually tend to use something like domihaus/kena for the extra mag, stam, and spell damage.
B: Shackle is a great option for magblade. BTB is good too.

Iskiab

For monster if you use crushing shock iceheart is good. Technically it hits 3 times so 3x the chance to proc things that don’t have a CD.

I’m thinking of trying magblade again when the new sets come out in the next patch. I dislike proc sets but I think sets like caluurion (or however it’s spelt) is the way to go. Basicly buff/debuff up from cloak (merciless, siphoning, ele drain, acceleration) and pray to burst someone down to impale range with the proc set. Cloak away and reset.

Your team will hate you, but c’est la vie.

For sets all I’ve figured out is an Asylum or BRP weapon and back barring lich works well. I’ve been looking for something else to match it with but haven’t found one I like yet.

NyassaV

Skoria is actually pretty good if you use dots but I understand not wanting to use them so I'd use balrog instead

thedude33

NyassaV wrote: »

Skoria is actually pretty good if you use dots but I understand not wanting to use them so I'd use balrog instead

How tough is March of Sacrifices?

SpiderCultist

I've always run Skoria until recently, with this high resistances meta you can go Bloodspawn aswell.

EDIT:

For your second request you can go Spinners or Necro, those are always solid. Spell Strategist is also very good.

jaime1982

Been running shackle,spinner and skoria/balorgh.

brandonv516

Engine Guardian
Pirate Skeleton
Bloodspawn
Troll King (if no Vampire)
Skoria (if you use several DoTs, especially with a Frost Staff)
Balorgh (if you are bombing or in a ball group)
Kena (if you have excellent sustain)
Zaan (if you run a melee Magblade)

Plenty of choices but most are situational.

Datthaw

I see alot of people say blood spawn for magnb and honestly I think it's a cappy choice.

Magnb can not sit and take shots anymore, we just cant. So our way of fighting is to try to not get hit and have shield up just incase we do, right? We rely on relocation and cloak to avoid any real damage. So you will never have a decent uptime from a defensive set that requires you to take agro. That 6% chance at a armor buff when hit is just not worth. Imo you're much better off running 1 skele 1 chudan for the constant armor buff, magnb has good enough ult regen you won't miss the buff from blood spawn.

Just my Feely feels on why bs is dumb for magnb

Knootewoot

As a melee magblade, who hates proc sets, I currently use Zaan because you just need the extra damage.
For ranged I think skoria is pretty neat if you use cripple (If it isn't reflected)
Ice heart I never used, as I miss the shoulder. I talked to another nb and he swears by it when using crushing shock.

I wear 5*warmaiden, 5*bright throat and zaam.
Sometimes I use spinner instead of brights.
Also I use dual world but sometimes a staff just so I can also range if melee gets to hot.

jaws343

I run War Maiden and Axiom on my magblade. It hits hard, and since you really only need to use class skills, both sets buff every damage skill you have. I run Skoria and the only skill I have that has a dot component is reach. It still procs often enough. If I weren't running Skoria, I would either be running Balorgh or the Domi/Illambris combo.

thedude33

Datthaw wrote: »

I see alot of people say blood spawn for magnb and honestly I think it's a cappy choice.

Magnb can not sit and take shots anymore, we just cant. So our way of fighting is to try to not get hit and have shield up just incase we do, right? We rely on relocation and cloak to avoid any real damage. So you will never have a decent uptime from a defensive set that requires you to take agro. That 6% chance at a armor buff when hit is just not worth. Imo you're much better off running 1 skele 1 chudan for the constant armor buff, magnb has good enough ult regen you won't miss the buff from blood spawn.

Just my Feely feels on why bs is dumb for magnb

This is what I was thinking. Any good magblade I see in Cyrodil is only visible for 5 seconds or so before cloaking, moving, then reengaging. My brief time in Cyrodil last night reaffirmed that. If I was unstealthed for any period of time I got blowed up real good.

CatchMeTrolling

Think skoria and troll king the best ones for any type of build.

Datthaw

thedude33 wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

I see alot of people say blood spawn for magnb and honestly I think it's a cappy choice.

Magnb can not sit and take shots anymore, we just cant. So our way of fighting is to try to not get hit and have shield up just incase we do, right? We rely on relocation and cloak to avoid any real damage. So you will never have a decent uptime from a defensive set that requires you to take agro. That 6% chance at a armor buff when hit is just not worth. Imo you're much better off running 1 skele 1 chudan for the constant armor buff, magnb has good enough ult regen you won't miss the buff from blood spawn.

Just my Feely feels on why bs is dumb for magnb

This is what I was thinking. Any good magblade I see in Cyrodil is only visible for 5 seconds or so before cloaking, moving, then reengaging. My brief time in Cyrodil last night reaffirmed that. If I was unstealthed for any period of time I got blowed up real good.

Yeah I mean BS is only viable in heavy builds or armor master builds that's utilize dark cloak heals. If you're stealth it's a completely wasted monster set

ChefZero

Bloodspawn for Dark Cloak build's.
Balorgh
Zaan
Skoria

Seenoevil

Stygian set in place of warmaidens have to transmute jewels as its medium armour, be generous with your cloak,
Monster helms malubeth is great the heal isn't up to much but that major vitality on your swallow soul is disgusting

thankyourat

thedude33 wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

I see alot of people say blood spawn for magnb and honestly I think it's a cappy choice.

Magnb can not sit and take shots anymore, we just cant. So our way of fighting is to try to not get hit and have shield up just incase we do, right? We rely on relocation and cloak to avoid any real damage. So you will never have a decent uptime from a defensive set that requires you to take agro. That 6% chance at a armor buff when hit is just not worth. Imo you're much better off running 1 skele 1 chudan for the constant armor buff, magnb has good enough ult regen you won't miss the buff from blood spawn.

Just my Feely feels on why bs is dumb for magnb

This is what I was thinking. Any good magblade I see in Cyrodil is only visible for 5 seconds or so before cloaking, moving, then reengaging. My brief time in Cyrodil last night reaffirmed that. If I was unstealthed for any period of time I got blowed up real good.

Blood spawn is actually really good on magblade maybe even BiS if you are a vampire because vampire doesn't pair well with troll king. The way I play magblade is I rely mainly on my damage shield and then I have cloak for emergencies. The thing about cloak spam is it's way too defensive. if you are cloaking alot you will never put out enough pressure to kill anyone. Cloak is needed but you shouldn't build around it.

I usually play with fortified brass/BS if I'm playing a vampire and with that combination my shields are actually stronger than they were last patch the trade off is that my damage isn't as high. Blood spawn is good offensively as well because it pairs well work magblade ultimate regen Making soul harvest basically a spammable and giving you the ability to chain resto ultimates together which also increases survivability.

thedude33

Seenoevil wrote: »

Stygian set in place of warmaidens have to transmute jewels as its medium armour, be generous with your cloak,
Monster helms malubeth is great the heal isn't up to much but that major vitality on your swallow soul is disgusting

huh ?

Datthaw

thankyourat wrote: »

thedude33 wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

I see alot of people say blood spawn for magnb and honestly I think it's a cappy choice.

Magnb can not sit and take shots anymore, we just cant. So our way of fighting is to try to not get hit and have shield up just incase we do, right? We rely on relocation and cloak to avoid any real damage. So you will never have a decent uptime from a defensive set that requires you to take agro. That 6% chance at a armor buff when hit is just not worth. Imo you're much better off running 1 skele 1 chudan for the constant armor buff, magnb has good enough ult regen you won't miss the buff from blood spawn.

Just my Feely feels on why bs is dumb for magnb

This is what I was thinking. Any good magblade I see in Cyrodil is only visible for 5 seconds or so before cloaking, moving, then reengaging. My brief time in Cyrodil last night reaffirmed that. If I was unstealthed for any period of time I got blowed up real good.

Blood spawn is actually really good on magblade maybe even BiS if you are a vampire because vampire doesn't pair well with troll king. The way I play magblade is I rely mainly on my damage shield and then I have cloak for emergencies. The thing about cloak spam is it's way too defensive. if you are cloaking alot you will never put out enough pressure to kill anyone. Cloak is needed but you shouldn't build around it.

I usually play with fortified brass/BS if I'm playing a vampire and with that combination my shields are actually stronger than they were last patch the trade off is that my damage isn't as high. Blood spawn is good offensively as well because it pairs well work magblade ultimate regen Making soul harvest basically a spammable and giving you the ability to chain resto ultimates together which also increases survivability.

Idk man I just can't agree. I really, really dont think bloodspawn is bis, I think it's situational at best. Shields are so weak atm. You have to invest so much into defense to make it viable that you kill either your damage or your sustain. Like your build fort brass bs and... I would assume offensive so let's say spinner. You now have a decent shield and damage from light and armor and spinners, but you also have like 1300 regen and 11k stam with triglyphs. You run trifood for morr stam youre like 1k regen.... its just such an investment for a completely sub standard shield. I have had good players (stam specs) catch me with combos shield up 100% hp and I just die shield and all. And im not even a vamp so the dbos is hitting you harder.

Also cloak is not exactly "way too defensive to spam" it depends in how you use it. I mean it gives you a big boy crit on your next attack so if you say it's defensive, I just say you're not using it properly.

I also know there is no way that shield is doing anything in a 1vx situation the max a fort brass shield will be like 6-7k that's a 1 global cool down attack from 2 players you would need to spam it to keep it up. So in that aspect this patch cloak and reposition is the only real viable defense

The armor master/ heavy armor builds and BS yeah they can work but non meta magnb is so weak atm (edit i felt like this needed clarity since i dont think there is a "meta" this patch, by meta i mean an offensive cloak blade in light armor)and has such a hard time is it even worth it? Is it worth investing so much into defense that you can only kill pve players and tickle serious pvp players? Not for me.

Sypherioth

Iskiab wrote: »

For monster if you use crushing shock iceheart is good. Technically it hits 3 times so 3x the chance to proc things that don’t have a CD.

Dont rely on this. because they are monitoring procs and they are gonna change skills/dots/procs that procs other procs the next patch.

Iskiab

I tried Stygian and found I didn’t hit hard enough pairing Stygian with a regen set.

Has anyone tried combat physician with swallow soul? I was thinking it could be a good idea, you’re only healing yourself so guaranteeing you’ll always get the damage shield, and the set has decent stats. Only problem is using swallow soul with all the reflections out there.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Sypherioth wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

For monster if you use crushing shock iceheart is good. Technically it hits 3 times so 3x the chance to proc things that don’t have a CD.

Dont rely on this. because they are monitoring procs and they are gonna change skills/dots/procs that procs other procs the next patch.

Source?

Knootewoot

Iskiab wrote: »

I tried Stygian and found I didn’t hit hard enough pairing Stygian with a regen set.

Has anyone tried combat physician with swallow soul? I was thinking it could be a good idea, you’re only healing yourself so guaranteeing you’ll always get the damage shield, and the set has decent stats. Only problem is using swallow soul with all the reflections out there.

I tried it, and it was like the shield wan't even there. People burn through it with their 15k hits. The shield is halved also due to battlespirit so it's only a 4k shield or something. Even light attacks remove it in one hit.

Jeezye

tbh I really struggle to find a good fit of monster sets to magblade too. The best ones I found are skoria if playing with inferno staff and bloodspawn/skeleton if you play with dark cloak (hence getting hit multiple times). the rest is just meh, balorgh might be nice but I havent really found a good playstyle to support it.

exeeter702

Iskiab wrote: »

I tried Stygian and found I didn’t hit hard enough pairing Stygian with a regen set.

Has anyone tried combat physician with swallow soul? I was thinking it could be a good idea, you’re only healing yourself so guaranteeing you’ll always get the damage shield, and the set has decent stats. Only problem is using swallow soul with all the reflections out there.

Combat physician is hot trash

ScruffyWhiskers

Stygian could use some extra effect like 20% damage from stealth/invis AND apply a defuff like minor vulnerability.

Iskiab

Stygian isn’t bad in theory, it’s just under budget compared to other sets with both magicka and stamina like Pelinals.

ScruffyWhiskers

Yeah if you gave it some juice to compete with something like spinners it could be a good melee brawlers set. But right now spinners or war maiden would be a better second set choice.

thankyourat

Datthaw wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

thedude33 wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

I see alot of people say blood spawn for magnb and honestly I think it's a cappy choice.

Magnb can not sit and take shots anymore, we just cant. So our way of fighting is to try to not get hit and have shield up just incase we do, right? We rely on relocation and cloak to avoid any real damage. So you will never have a decent uptime from a defensive set that requires you to take agro. That 6% chance at a armor buff when hit is just not worth. Imo you're much better off running 1 skele 1 chudan for the constant armor buff, magnb has good enough ult regen you won't miss the buff from blood spawn.

Just my Feely feels on why bs is dumb for magnb

This is what I was thinking. Any good magblade I see in Cyrodil is only visible for 5 seconds or so before cloaking, moving, then reengaging. My brief time in Cyrodil last night reaffirmed that. If I was unstealthed for any period of time I got blowed up real good.

Blood spawn is actually really good on magblade maybe even BiS if you are a vampire because vampire doesn't pair well with troll king. The way I play magblade is I rely mainly on my damage shield and then I have cloak for emergencies. The thing about cloak spam is it's way too defensive. if you are cloaking alot you will never put out enough pressure to kill anyone. Cloak is needed but you shouldn't build around it.

I usually play with fortified brass/BS if I'm playing a vampire and with that combination my shields are actually stronger than they were last patch the trade off is that my damage isn't as high. Blood spawn is good offensively as well because it pairs well work magblade ultimate regen Making soul harvest basically a spammable and giving you the ability to chain resto ultimates together which also increases survivability.

Idk man I just can't agree. I really, really dont think bloodspawn is bis, I think it's situational at best. Shields are so weak atm. You have to invest so much into defense to make it viable that you kill either your damage or your sustain. Like your build fort brass bs and... I would assume offensive so let's say spinner. You now have a decent shield and damage from light and armor and spinners, but you also have like 1300 regen and 11k stam with triglyphs. You run trifood for morr stam youre like 1k regen.... its just such an investment for a completely sub standard shield. I have had good players (stam specs) catch me with combos shield up 100% hp and I just die shield and all. And im not even a vamp so the dbos is hitting you harder.

Also cloak is not exactly "way too defensive to spam" it depends in how you use it. I mean it gives you a big boy crit on your next attack so if you say it's defensive, I just say you're not using it properly.

I also know there is no way that shield is doing anything in a 1vx situation the max a fort brass shield will be like 6-7k that's a 1 global cool down attack from 2 players you would need to spam it to keep it up. So in that aspect this patch cloak and reposition is the only real viable defense

The armor master/ heavy armor builds and BS yeah they can work but non meta magnb is so weak atm (edit i felt like this needed clarity since i dont think there is a "meta" this patch, by meta i mean an offensive cloak blade in light armor)and has such a hard time is it even worth it? Is it worth investing so much into defense that you can only kill pve players and tickle serious pvp players? Not for me.

By BiS I'm referring to what other monster set are you going to use there as well. which makes blood spawn more appealing. You could always go two one price Max mag which will put up you shield size a little.

Yes I'm using spinner/brass/bloodspawn. My recovery is high because I use two recovery peices on my jewelery so that puts me right around 1700 mag recovery, and with bloodspawn and vamp my Stam recover sits at around 1k and my Stam pool is 15.5k. My shield is actually close to 11k when you factor in the extra shield strength dampen provides for 5 pieces of light armor. And that's backed behind 30k worth of resistances which make the shield actually pretty strong as long as I have magicka it's impossible to get through that damage shield. The damage is "decent" with 18k penetration. I'm still able to kill the best pvpers with my build. The only players that I have trouble with are heavy armor 6k weapon damage Stam builds. But I can shade and cripple spam them into a stalemate lol.

1vX the shield actually holds up better than my shield last patch even though I'm like 16k magicka short of the damage I had last patch. You have to think even though the shield is only 11k which is about 4k less than my shield last patch it now has 46% damage mitigation added on to it where last patch it had 0%. I've also been 1 shot through my shield this patch by a Stam sorc back when I was trying spell strategist/lich without major evasion. I've never been one shot through a shield while wearing brass though. If you have the resistances your shield will be taking alot less damage overall.

All in all I agree with a lot of what you're saying the magblade nerfs were too much this patch and it is ridiculously hard to build to have enough needed stats to play open world with. The reason I don't believe building for cloak is viable though is because if you are relying on cloak and not resistances some players can put so much damage into you when you are out of cloak that you will never be afforded the opportunity to actually fight back you will end up cloaking after every other attack. Having high resistances allow you the opportunity to actually put pressure into your opponent. I do think cloak is 100% needed I just don't believe in investing in it.

Edit: I believe when you are referring to a brass shield being only 6 to 7k you are forgetting about the 30% shield increase from dampen as well as racial and class passives that basically always get magblade to 40k magicka. The only way I see a magblade having a 6k shield would be if you are an argonian and use harness and don't put anything into bastion in the CP tree.

Seenoevil

Stygian is best when you transmute all 3 jewels to infused and slap spell damage on them, also consider this will directly effect a swallow soul heal, pair in either lingering health pots with major vitality or scourger monster set, 1 hit from sneak as the opener and you can get yourself a reliable 6kish heal every tick, that's without major vitality up

Koensol

Monster sets I have used and found effective on non healer magblade (depending on build) have been:
- Skoria
- 1 Chudan 1 Pirate
- 1 Domi 1 Chudan/Pirate
- Engine guardian
- Bloodspawn
- Troll king

This is what it comes down to for me. I like to play magblade as a brawler with good healing and mitigation. This is the reason I don't like 2 Pirate skeleton for example. It gimps healing too much to be considered a viable option, especially since I mostly play no cp.