Fix altmer already

WeerW3ir

New natch potes sucks, you guys cant be this greedy *** to not turn back the altmer nerf. no i dont care if its 'good'. ITS BAD.

Taunky

No.

What the hell is a natch pote?

bellanca6561n

The core problem is that the very concept of racial passives fails to make sense as it's an attempt to enforce single player game lore in a multiplayer game.

As all fictional races in science or fantasy fiction are simply a device to explore humanity in the abstract, best stick with racial definitions in appearance and culture. Let players choose their character's race because it appeals to them for reasons other than combat capability.

Neoealth

Taunky wrote: »

No.

What the hell is a natch pote?

It's a douchy way of saying patch notes, that's all, just swapped the letter away on each word.

Starlock

bellanca6561n wrote: »

The core problem is that the very concept of racial passives fails to make sense as it's an attempt to enforce single player game lore in a multiplayer game.

A significant chunk of players treat this game as a single player game and are here in no small part for story and lore. I don't quite follow. These players already select race for reasons other than combat capability. Hi, by the way.

BreakingBats

Props to ZoS for sticking with their decision. Accept it and move on bud.

mxxo

bellanca6561n wrote: »

The core problem is that the very concept of racial passives fails to make sense as it's an attempt to enforce single player game lore in a multiplayer game.

As all fictional races in science or fantasy fiction are simply a device to explore humanity in the abstract, best stick with racial definitions in appearance and culture. Let players choose their character's race because it appeals to them for reasons other than combat capability.

What on earth gave you the impression lore works only in single player games?

Sheezabeast

Altmer in pvp need stamina to break free and roll dodge. In pve don’t you need to roll dodge and break free too? Unless you’re a Sorc and are used to standing in stupid....

Princess_Ciri

I'm amazed that they didn't nerf Breton, but Altmer still have worse mag dps and sustain than Bretons.

They nerfed Altmer so hard they're worse than kitties, that's next level sad.

dragonz868

I just don't understand the racial passive change to be honest.. Maybe at 47 I'm too old school. But to me IN GAMES certain races are supposed to be better at certain things. That's where the lore comes in.. Its been that way in games forever.. You want to be better at magic based skills then go for the races that have boosts in magic thanks to lore.. Prefer stamina then look at the lore and have racial passives that match.. Trying to make all races good at all things does not make sense to me in a game stand point.. Again must just be too old school.

Itzmichi

WeerW3ir wrote: »

New natch potes sucks, you guys cant be this greedy *** to not turn back the altmer nerf. no i dont care if its 'good'. ITS BAD.

Git gud or die cryin'

WeerW3ir

dragonz868 wrote: »

I just don't understand the racial passive change to be honest.. Maybe at 47 I'm too old school. But to me IN GAMES certain races are supposed to be better at certain things. That's where the lore comes in.. Its been that way in games forever.. You want to be better at magic based skills then go for the races that have boosts in magic thanks to lore.. Prefer stamina then look at the lore and have racial passives that match.. Trying to make all races good at all things does not make sense to me in a game stand point.. Again must just be too old school.

Youre not old. They simply ignoring the lore and changing something WHAT NOT SUPPOSED TO

Gnortranermara

It's like they want to lose customers. I was already on the fence out of sheer disbelief that they allowed this garbage change to pass internal review in the first place. But then they wasted a whole week of PTS and failed to fix the most obvious and stupid blunder since Viper could proc off bow. I was really positive about the recent staff changes, but all confidence is gone now.

FrancisCrawford

I agree with all the negative judgment re the stupid new Altmer passive.

That said, if instead of the stupid new passive Altmer had a straight 1-200 more magicka regen, would anybody say Altmer was too weak?

zaria

Reduce Altmer magic down to 1875 to balance with Dunmer.

Gnortranermara

Bruh...

Diminish

dragonz868 wrote: »

I just don't understand the racial passive change to be honest.. Maybe at 47 I'm too old school. But to me IN GAMES certain races are supposed to be better at certain things. That's where the lore comes in.. Its been that way in games forever.. You want to be better at magic based skills then go for the races that have boosts in magic thanks to lore.. Prefer stamina then look at the lore and have racial passives that match.. Trying to make all races good at all things does not make sense to me in a game stand point.. Again must just be too old school.

I feel the same way. I hear by 2020 the character creator will only have one race option, Bretonnordkhajiitredguardargonianbosmerorsimerdunmeraltmerimprerial. This will be a buff to those who make poor decisions.

Somber97866

To make a High Elf buff the lowest resource is plain ***. They are a magic based toon. Ppl at ZOS are beyond understanding. Ty for killing High Elf for magic builds in endgame pve. I feel sorry for all the players who decide this race. Spending hrs upon hrs build and perfecting it just to be rejected when reaching endgame and no one wants them in their teams. That's what this is going to do. Do you care ZOS?***, probably not lol.

ezio45

Neoealth wrote: »

Taunky wrote: »

No.

What the hell is a natch pote?

It's a douchy way of saying patch notes, that's all, just swapped the letter away on each word.

I prefer nerf potes... Less douchy more jaded and bitter

ezio45

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Altmer in pvp need stamina to break free and roll dodge. In pve don’t you need to roll dodge and break free too? Unless you’re a Sorc and are used to standing in stupid....

Ya but darkelf also has an added 1.8k (+ with how CP works now) and 2k fire resistance which is huge in both PvP and pve. It's not that highelf is bad is just doesn't offer anything better than darkelf and darkelf does everything highelf does but better

MLGProPlayer

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Altmer in pvp need stamina to break free and roll dodge. In pve don’t you need to roll dodge and break free too? Unless you’re a Sorc and are used to standing in stupid....

It's very rare that you need to dodge/block/roll in PvE. As long as you know the mechanics, you can conserve stamina without issue. Your primary source of damage mitigation as a magicka character is shields. And even if you did need stamina in PvE (again, you don't), an extra 215 stamina regen wouldn't make a noticeable difference.

This passive is 100% intended for PvP.

LeHarrt91

What they changed it to restore both magicka and stamina at half the amount each.

Korah_Eaglecry

bellanca6561n wrote: »

The core problem is that the very concept of racial passives fails to make sense as it's an attempt to enforce single player game lore in a multiplayer game.

As all fictional races in science or fantasy fiction are simply a device to explore humanity in the abstract, best stick with racial definitions in appearance and culture. Let players choose their character's race because it appeals to them for reasons other than combat capability.

Honestly I think they should add a pool of passives that every race has access to and can tap into. The PC then chooses the passives they want to use and then thats that. You want the character to be magicka oriented? Well theres particular passives for that, a great healer? theres passives for that.

Eliminate the need for there to be a meta race and make it so regardless if youre choosing a stamina or magicka build, neither one will lean on what race you have to outdo the other.

Raammzzaa

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458682/so-you-all-killing-off-the-high-elves#latest

CrimsonGTX

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Altmer in pvp need stamina to break free and roll dodge. In pve don’t you need to roll dodge and break free too? Unless you’re a Sorc and are used to standing in stupid....

Correction: Magicka characters need stamina to break free and roll dodge in pvp. Altmer don't need any sort of stamina regen in their passives lol, it makes no sense. It's like them giving Redguard magicka back with Adrenaline Rush, it just shouldn't be on the race. They basically took away a known Altmer passive/utility for stam regen.

WeerW3ir

Itsmichi wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

New natch potes sucks, you guys cant be this greedy *** to not turn back the altmer nerf. no i dont care if its 'good'. ITS BAD.

Git gud or die cryin'

Your words are worthless to me if youre stam main. You do not know the struggle.

Lasinagol

Because of the racial passive changes, to Altmer specifically, I have started farming swords and axes and bows and gonna run a stamsorc that was a magsorc for 99% of the toons existence. Sucks that the most magiccally inclined race is more useful as a stam toon, but that is "change and adaptation".

Even became a werewolf and already levelled that...the cheese will be for real if they go live...

Ajax_22

Haha, this continued hysteria is amazing. I hope ZOS changes something from Altmer every patch. You guys are quite the source of entertainment.

sharquez

Are we going to keep screeching about how because we lost a regen passive you barely needed or noticed that suddenly the game one shots you as soon as you hit the dungeon que button, and flashes in Big red letters YOU CAN'T PLAY THIS RACE NOW ITS NOT VIABLE!!!!

Oh wait that doesn't happen. You'll barely feel it, and you'll adapt if you do because you're not incompetent right?
No one worth playing with, plays this game to the ridiculous *supreme esports* standard everyone is so worried about being dropped from their trial/dungeon group for. There is a minimum competency standard in this game that most players can meet to clear content of any variety and the line is not so fine that a minimally impactful regen passive on one or two people will make or break the raid.