STOP WITH THE BATTLEGROUNDS LEAVER BAN!

Solohope

Mintaka5 wrote: »

No! You should be penalized for leaving a match, on which your teammates depend on having a full team. Honestly, if you think this is so horrible, try bailing on 3 matches in Overwatch, and you get suspended from competitive play for hours if not a whole day.

Ok, but do you have to leave an overwatch match cause it's bugged and won't start? I thought not. Like at least read the post before you comment.

redspecter23

The appropriate fix to this issue isn't necessarily to remove the deserter penalty. It would be to fix the issue causing low man parties to form up in the first place. Why would the queue even trigger if there weren't 4 players on a team? That sounds like the real bug to me. Fix that issue there and the OP would be fine.

Never fix the symptoms, go after the problem.

I'm not saying the deserter penalty is a good thing all the time, but it's just not the cause of the problem in this scenario.

Casdha

dimensional wrote: »

I've been playing battlegrounds almost daily since they launched and have never had a "bugged instance" like you've described. Try taking some video next time and sending it to ZOS, they use stuff like that to fix bugs and it is well documented on this forum that video recordings help them tremendously. Or maybe it's not that serious of an issue...

Here are two that were taken 11 minutes apart from the same match queue. (Edit: the first pic was taken after we had already been there about 10 minutes)





Edit: and I did send a bug report and then got the 20 minute ban from the next match.

Hand_Bacon

Bugged BG denier? Either you are super blessed or full of something.

Casdha

I should also point out, that I think the map ping is a bug as well, but I don't remember what caused it. It went away on the next match I got into. And when we were there 10 minutes, I should have said that I was there 10 minutes. Folk were already stating in chat that they were leaving because they had already waited 20 minutes.

If I remember right a GM finally had to shut the instance down.

MartiniDaniels

BGs are like russian roulette, you roll it and sometimes you know that it will be wasted 30 minutes because match never starts and then you got deserter penalty..
As for me it should works like dungeon finder... 15 minutes, and which start from loading to BG... I mean if you waited in bugged instance for 10 minutes, then you just need to wait 5 minutes after leaving it, not 20 minutes.

Raammzzaa

dimensional wrote: »

I've been playing battlegrounds almost daily since they launched and have never had a "bugged instance" like you've described. Try taking some video next time and sending it to ZOS, they use stuff like that to fix bugs and it is well documented on this forum that video recordings help them tremendously. Or maybe it's not that serious of an issue...

I’m curious too. Is it platform specific? I play BGs every day, and this has never happened to me. I’ve also never heard about it in game, only on the forum.

Linaleah

Raammzzaa wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

I've been playing battlegrounds almost daily since they launched and have never had a "bugged instance" like you've described. Try taking some video next time and sending it to ZOS, they use stuff like that to fix bugs and it is well documented on this forum that video recordings help them tremendously. Or maybe it's not that serious of an issue...

I’m curious too. Is it platform specific? I play BGs every day, and this has never happened to me. I’ve also never heard about it in game, only on the forum.

happened to me twice during midyear mayhem event the winter version. VERY annoying. platform? PC NA. I don't have a video recording just.. running, or I'd capture it.

it doesn't happen every time, but it does happen. the battleground just gets stuck on forming groups. indefinitely.

so yeah, leaving a match in progress? penalty is fine. but we should NOT be penalized for a bugged queue.

bardx86

gootdude wrote: »

The lockout is for that character only, just use another character or learn to be patient since it's only 20 minutes.

What other character? Just remove the dam deserter penally already. They can't get the game stable enough to have something like this.

RodneyRegis

There's an easy fix in my opinion. If you wait in a bag for more than 2 mins and it doesn't start, no deserter pen.

Casdha

Hey what do you know I found another pic (didn't recognize it due to different angle) from the same instance that was take 15 minutes before the two posted above. That is 26 minutes time between the first pic and the last of the same queue.

Tatanko

Linaleah wrote: »

happened to me twice during midyear mayhem event the winter version.

Exactly the same for me. Hasn't happened before or since, but during the Midyear Mayhem Encore it happened to me twice. Up to that point I would have been one of the people questioning if it's actually a bug, but having been through it, I understand now. It's incredibly frustrating.

TimeViewer

I don't purposely leave a BG but I have disconnected, and come back to the penalty, since there's no way to determine a legitimate DC from a CAD I just have to accept it. The most annoying things tho are the start with 3 while other teams are 4, and people who leech, standing at the spawn spot or even hiding at the back wall refusing to do anything.

The starting with 3 needs to be fixed.

People who earn no points because they leech SHOULD be banned from BGs preferably for a week, continued leeching = perma BG-ban. (that or teammates earn points by killing the leech)

Undefwun

The problem is ZOS can't tell the reasons for leaving a match. These are the 3 issues I've seen.

1) You get dc'd. That is most infuriating. You get booted and to add insult to injury now you got a debuff.

2) Bugged lobby. You need 3 on each team simultaneously for the counter to kick in. I have stubbornly sat in a lobby for over 15-20 minutes, with 2 teams having 3-4 players each and one team at 1 or 2. Say it it's at 4/4/2 it won't start, but for some reason won't add a 3rd to the last team. Anyone leaves another person is added to the team they left, but that one team never goes over 2. So at some stage you gotta just eat the debuff. Highly frustrating too.

3) You leave mid match on purpose.


Personal opinion incoming.
You should get 1 day debuff for leaving on purpose and get a red title over your toon. "DESERTER".. I don't care how bad you are getting roflfstomped, you stay and you fight.

Oh you were there for your 'daily' and to be carried, but it's hard? No you stay and fight.
Oh you are an armchair general barking orders in caps, while doing the least? How bout you follow the other people and stay and fight.
Oh your team mates are not up to standard? Just suck it up and stay and fight. Some people act like they were never new or playing a new toon. Like they shot out their mama a CP capped Grand Overlord crushing zergs single handedly while playing with their feet. Take a seat and stop being an a$$.

The odd thing is the debuff as it stands now, is longer than the beating you were getting. Ppl bailing on a match at opposition being at 490 for example, oh does it post a W/L somewhere? I don't get it. 20 min debuff or stay 30s.

Problem is ZOS can't tell the damn difference between the disconnects, and even if they actually could, I know that ppl would be yanking their connection cords out on purpose to avoid a debuff. "oh my net dropped out"

elantaura

I have no issue with the ban if... they could detect when there lousy servers are what kicks you. I get kicked more from matches I’m winning than loosing - why the hell would I leave.
It’s bad enough the ap lose and been kicked but the deserter penatlty is a slap in the face. It like there system to detect if left vs there server being it’s annoying self before enforcing stupid penalty

siddique

So you can just leave a battleground when you feel you aren't gonna be carried around by a team and leave them further in lurch? No thank you.

I agree the system isn't perfect but it's a necessary evil.

Panda_iMunch

While I dislike bugged BGs causing you to waste time, it's better than incentivizing leavers. I've played many BGs where people dip because they dislike the comp or where the points are at, ensuring that I lose regardless of what I do. Even when I see people stuck, I still tell them to use /stuck before quitting, as to ensure all routes are tested.

I think it would be better to say "Let's fix all the bugs causing BGs to not be functional or fun, then evaluate removing the timer." You do not need to take apart a game just to brush off some dust.

StarOfElyon

BG does have bugs that pop up a few times a week. I dread seeing the loading screen for the BG in Wrothgar because I've had many of those load screens that never end.

Casdha

The problem with banning folks for earning no points would fall under another problem I've run into. I've been loaded in an already running match with no time to earn points, but this has happened only once to me.

Odnoc

dimensional wrote: »

OnlyOnThursday wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

Every single time I've ever entered a battleground that had less than 4 players on a team(s), the others eventually come if you simply STAY in the battleground. Try it out next time. I've (and my brother and his wife, and we all play on different platforms) been playing BGs nearly every single day since they were released, and not one single time has this happened to me. What has happened, however, is players that are entering the queue later than the others. You will not see this if you simply just leave the battleground and incur the leaver penalty. That's entirely on you.

This doesn't work for this glitch, I've waited for over 45 minutes before leaving

Take a video and prove it, send it to ZOS. Or do you not want the problem resolved? They need more data to fix bugs and if you don't supply it, you're not really helping.

I’ve waited up to 15 minutes myself. It happens. And if you think they don’t have data, I’m sorry, but you don’t know enough about software development to make the claim someone is not helping.

Odnoc

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

While I dislike bugged BGs causing you to waste time, it's better than incentivizing leavers. I've played many BGs where people dip because they dislike the comp or where the points are at, ensuring that I lose regardless of what I do. Even when I see people stuck, I still tell them to use /stuck before quitting, as to ensure all routes are tested.

I think it would be better to say "Let's fix all the bugs causing BGs to not be functional or fun, then evaluate removing the timer." You do not need to take apart a game just to brush off some dust.

Simple solution to this, if the match is instanced, and 5 minutes pass without it starting, consider it a bugged instance and kick everyone out.

Jitterbug

dimensional wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

But the group finder system on ESO has always run perfectly? said no one ever!
Don't get why its so bad, very simple thing to run, guess that's the calibre of ZOS devs.

Wrong, it works perfectly the vast majority of the time. Hiccups are very minor and rare, and this running gag about the activity finder is both factually incorrect and childish.

is that you, Todd?

hakan

Wow so many people dont even read OP anymore. OP should change the title.

This happens frequently. Tried on different PCs and ISPs. I guess it started around summer? Cant remember.

KhajiitFelix

Same for dungeons.

Stebarnz

dimensional wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

But the group finder system on ESO has always run perfectly? said no one ever!
Don't get why its so bad, very simple thing to run, guess that's the calibre of ZOS devs.

Wrong, it works perfectly the vast majority of the time. Hiccups are very minor and rare, and this running gag about the activity finder is both factually incorrect and childish.

HAHA this man is trolling me!

EVERY time I use the group finder its crap! So many times its saying that someone declined and ive been placed to the front of the queue.
I have been in a group where everyone is in voice chat and we have queued for a dungeon and it repeatedly said someone declined when no body did.

So I don't care what idiotic ramblings issue from you, I KNOW its crap, end of chat son.

Soleya

Happened to me too. 10 mins of this, 20 min ban after giving up since it wouldn't add more players.



At the very least, you shouldn't get a 20 min ban for leaving before the match starts. Easy fix.

I've also joined into a match in progress that was 4v4v1 (where I was the 1). Man that's some real fun there.

Irfind

Same problem on PC EU after 100times pressing F to get in a BG, it is buggy

kargen27

dimensional wrote: »

Every single time I've ever entered a battleground that had less than 4 players on a team(s), the others eventually come if you simply STAY in the battleground. Try it out next time. I've (and my brother and his wife, and we all play on different platforms) been playing BGs nearly every single day since they were released, and not one single time has this happened to me. What has happened, however, is players that are entering the queue later than the others. You will not see this if you simply just leave the battleground and incur the leaver penalty. That's entirely on you.

You are very lucky. I have had this happen and others in my guilds have had this happen. I got stubborn one night and watched Netflix for a while waiting for the battleground to wait. One team never got above two players. The other two teams had players coming and going getting three or four several times. The one team though never did get above two. I ended up in there alone and finally decided maybe it wasn't going to happen.

It happens often enough that when it does happen more than one person in the instance knows of the bug and comments on it.
So yeah you have been very lucky to not have seen this bug.

Kalgert

dimensional wrote: »

OnlyOnThursday wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

Every single time I've ever entered a battleground that had less than 4 players on a team(s), the others eventually come if you simply STAY in the battleground. Try it out next time. I've (and my brother and his wife, and we all play on different platforms) been playing BGs nearly every single day since they were released, and not one single time has this happened to me. What has happened, however, is players that are entering the queue later than the others. You will not see this if you simply just leave the battleground and incur the leaver penalty. That's entirely on you.

This doesn't work for this glitch, I've waited for over 45 minutes before leaving

Take a video and prove it, send it to ZOS. Or do you not want the problem resolved? They need more data to fix bugs and if you don't supply it, you're not really helping.

Instead of having a condescending attitude, how about you take the benefit of the doubt and think "Hey maybe people are on to something, especially if multiple people say the same thing".

This happened to me today. I wanted to do a Battleground on a low level character, my team was full, but the other two teams were stuck with only two players at any given time. I was watching the screen and there were no advances there. Had to leave because the match wasn't getting anywhere.

Also, if you seriously expect people to record themselves for 45 minutes to "Prove a point" or "To provide data to Zenimax" (Because yeah, they totes get their data from people recording themselves), then you are as foolish as you are condescending.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

so...the OP its just a RQ that doesnt like to get spanked for being a !@#$ RQ...well in that case...have you tried PvE sir? clearly Pvp its not for you...but dont worry we former emperors and GO's shall not laugh about you at our next meeting...well not that much that is.