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Winterborn Frost Warden: Maelstrom Edition

kylewwefan
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I’m Back to working on Flawless Conquer with two toons now; Stamina Nightblade and Magic Warden.

What is working really well for me on the Warden is and has been Breton wearing 5 Necropotence, 5 Winterborn, Iceheart Monster Set, Maelstrom Icestaff Backbar w/ standard Absorb Magic Enchant, Winterborn Ice Staff Front Bar w/ Frost Damage Enchant. Both staves infused.

I use the Apprentice Mundus stone for extra spell damage, and one of my jewelry piece is Infused. All Jewelry is Spell Damage enchants. It puts me right around 2950 Spell Damage, 48k max magic with Clockwork Citrus Filet Gold food.

Magic sustain is incredible, the extra health recovery is nice. I don’t get top tier damage (28k), but this setup is very enjoyable for me to play.

Bar setup is

Front: Screaming Cliff Racer, Deep Fissure, Blue Betty Netch, Bird of Prey, Inner Light, Ult Northern Storm
Back: Wallof Elements, Winters Revenge, Fetcher Infection, Expansive Frost Cloak, Living Trellis, Ult Northern Storm

I had inner light on the backbar as well, but swapped it out for trellis and I right like having that on there now. It does make my max magic ping pong around bar swapping but it doesn’t seem to affect the gameplay.

I’ve tried going the fire route keeping Necro but swapping Burning Spell Weave and Spell Strategist. Didn’t work as well for me. Spell strat was actually quite terrible. I found Siroria to be gadawful as well.

I don’t have any Destro Staff Passives on the front bar, but that’s going to change next patch, I’m so excited! Oh and Bretons are gonna have even better sustain...it has me wandering why? My sustain is really good. Well, For Maelstrom anyways.

If I could ask for a little advice; do you think it would be worth changing any other jewelry traits? I don’t have a shield slotted, So the max magic is all about damage and perhaps sustain. Unless it changes the size of Iceheart s shield. I dont know?

I’m very close to getting Flawless now. Gotten through with as little as 2 deaths. So I don’t really want to change anything too major at this point and then have to re learn.
PlayStation NA
1000+ CP
DC Khajit NB The Flawless Conquorer
DC Argonian Templar Stormproof
DC Dark Elf Sorc Stormproof
DC High Elf NB Stormproof
DC Dark Elf DK Stormproof
AD Redguard DK Stormproof
DC Orc Warden Stormproof
DC Breton Warden Stormproof
DC Redguard Sorc Stormproof
DC Redguard Templar Stormproof

PlayStation EU
258 CP
DC Orc Warden Stormproof
  • zvavi
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    Can't give you any input about tips on a magden, but set bonuses don't give you more the more spell damage/max magicka, it stays the same. Hope I helped a bit
    Edited by zvavi on February 8, 2019 3:36PM
  • md3788
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    Wouldn't you get more damage out of the max magicka from Arcane versus the spell damage of infused? I assumed that's why most magicka players don't run infused over arcane. Either way, I personally don't think changing any jewelry traits are going to make much of a difference at this point. You're almost there. I personally prefer lover for vMA, and elemental drain the big guys. May be easier to control the major breach versus deep fissure.
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  • zvavi
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    Infused is better on gold jewelry. On purple it is almost the same (infused a bit more damage, while less resource pool). Blue and below arcane is better.
    Edited by zvavi on February 8, 2019 9:12PM
  • ccmedaddy
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    Iceheart's shield doesn't scale with any of your offensive stats, but it does scale with Bastion in your CP setup. It's probably better to invest your points in other defensive stats though since shields benefit from those too.

    The only change I'd suggest is using Ice Fortress instead of Expansive Frost Cloak. The rest of your setup seems pretty nice.

    Also, I hate you for having a Winterborn ice staff.
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  • Iki
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    Try mighty chudan instead of iceheart, then slot channeled acceleration to frostcloaks slot. That could boost both your dps and defense. Also, have you tried bear there? Magden doesn`t really lack aoe-dps and bear would increase single-target dps and that is quite helpful there in many rounds..
  • ccfeeling
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    Your setup is fine, keep focus on mechanics.
  • Taleof2Cities
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    Keep us posted if you can get your Flawless clears, @kylewwefan.

    Would be a great accomplishment to add to a Frost Warden resume.
    "May you walk on warm sands."
    "First, I would ask that you look to the poor and the suffering around Cyrodiil. Look into their hearts, and then look into your own."
    "May Auri-El's light guide you in your darkest hours."

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  • ESO_Nightingale
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    kylewwefan wrote: »
    I’m Back to working on Flawless Conquer with two toons now; Stamina Nightblade and Magic Warden.

    What is working really well for me on the Warden is and has been Breton wearing 5 Necropotence, 5 Winterborn, Iceheart Monster Set, Maelstrom Icestaff Backbar w/ standard Absorb Magic Enchant, Winterborn Ice Staff Front Bar w/ Frost Damage Enchant. Both staves infused.

    I use the Apprentice Mundus stone for extra spell damage, and one of my jewelry piece is Infused. All Jewelry is Spell Damage enchants. It puts me right around 2950 Spell Damage, 48k max magic with Clockwork Citrus Filet Gold food.

    Magic sustain is incredible, the extra health recovery is nice. I don’t get top tier damage (28k), but this setup is very enjoyable for me to play.

    Bar setup is

    Front: Screaming Cliff Racer, Deep Fissure, Blue Betty Netch, Bird of Prey, Inner Light, Ult Northern Storm
    Back: Wallof Elements, Winters Revenge, Fetcher Infection, Expansive Frost Cloak, Living Trellis, Ult Northern Storm

    I had inner light on the backbar as well, but swapped it out for trellis and I right like having that on there now. It does make my max magic ping pong around bar swapping but it doesn’t seem to affect the gameplay.

    I’ve tried going the fire route keeping Necro but swapping Burning Spell Weave and Spell Strategist. Didn’t work as well for me. Spell strat was actually quite terrible. I found Siroria to be gadawful as well.

    I don’t have any Destro Staff Passives on the front bar, but that’s going to change next patch, I’m so excited! Oh and Bretons are gonna have even better sustain...it has me wandering why? My sustain is really good. Well, For Maelstrom anyways.

    If I could ask for a little advice; do you think it would be worth changing any other jewelry traits? I don’t have a shield slotted, So the max magic is all about damage and perhaps sustain. Unless it changes the size of Iceheart s shield. I dont know?

    I’m very close to getting Flawless now. Gotten through with as little as 2 deaths. So I don’t really want to change anything too major at this point and then have to re learn.

    is this for PvE? i can't tell. i can reccomend mother's sorrow over winterborn if you want more DPS.
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  • kylewwefan
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    Okay. My Winterborn jewelry’s are all gold quality form weekly rewards. One was healthy so I made it Infused. I don’t know if it would have been better to go arcane or something else even?

    The Winterborn Ice Staff is pretty crucial to my setup. It’s kind of like a BSW inferno or something.

    I think I really like the set for slows or snares more so than damage really. I majorly helps bring things down to a reasonable pace.
    PlayStation NA
    1000+ CP
    DC Khajit NB The Flawless Conquorer
    DC Argonian Templar Stormproof
    DC Dark Elf Sorc Stormproof
    DC High Elf NB Stormproof
    DC Dark Elf DK Stormproof
    AD Redguard DK Stormproof
    DC Orc Warden Stormproof
    DC Breton Warden Stormproof
    DC Redguard Sorc Stormproof
    DC Redguard Templar Stormproof

    PlayStation EU
    258 CP
    DC Orc Warden Stormproof
  • Taleof2Cities
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    kylewwefan wrote: »

    I think I really like the set for slows or snares more so than damage really. I majorly helps bring things down to a reasonable pace.

    Correct, but that means you're in that place longer ... I can only take a few stages at a time on my Frost Warden for that reason. ;)

    Edited by Taleof2Cities on February 10, 2019 7:05AM
    "May you walk on warm sands."
    "First, I would ask that you look to the poor and the suffering around Cyrodiil. Look into their hearts, and then look into your own."
    "May Auri-El's light guide you in your darkest hours."

    North American (NA) PC Megaserver / Daggerfall Covenant (click to view):
    Vilerihala - Magicka Templar (Altmer ~ Dedicated Healer) ~ Màisalihna - Stamina Dragonknight (Bosmer) ~ Áhliaselia - Stamina Templar (Bosmer) ~ Thraccenia Vendicci - Stamina Sorcerer (Imperial) ~ Wenayastare - Magicka Dragonknight (Altmer) ~ Aráliavina - Stamina Nightblade (Bosmer) ~ Ysyna Rielle - Magicka Warden (Breton) ~ Rhusannah - Stamina Nightblade (Redguard) ~ Eirellonye - Magicka Nightblade (Altmer) ~ Lae'Suuriávia - Stamina Warden (Bosmer) ~ Dralora Savani - Magicka Sorcerer (Dunmer) ~ Billows-With-Incense - Magicka Warden (Argonian; Aldmeri Dominion) ~ Anísa'Vardaia - Health Dragonknight (Imperial; Aldmeri Dominion) ~ Vilinalara - Magicka Sorcerer (Altmer ~ Grand Master Crafter)
  • kylewwefan
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    I changed all the jewelry to Infused. It diddnt seem to make much difference. I don’t often die so much on bosses, but dumb stuff. Just mistakes. Like catching an arrow with my face or letting a dot build up on me working on the wrong target. And weekend game performance. It’s not the best time to be working on something.
    PlayStation NA
    1000+ CP
    DC Khajit NB The Flawless Conquorer
    DC Argonian Templar Stormproof
    DC Dark Elf Sorc Stormproof
    DC High Elf NB Stormproof
    DC Dark Elf DK Stormproof
    AD Redguard DK Stormproof
    DC Orc Warden Stormproof
    DC Breton Warden Stormproof
    DC Redguard Sorc Stormproof
    DC Redguard Templar Stormproof

    PlayStation EU
    258 CP
    DC Orc Warden Stormproof
  • ccfeeling
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    As a magden, I think stage 7 is the only one stage u may die. Your setup is fine.

    There is not much difference between infuse and Arcane, you should try blood x 3 ;) if u are really familar all mechanics in VMA

    You could also use the signils to minimize the death chance, shield signil is the best, save it at the worst moment.

    GL.
  • luen79rwb17_ESO
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    I really been wishing to try VMA with my magden ice setup with MA/Winterborn/Iceheart with bear ult. Idk if it might be viable tho.
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  • kylewwefan
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    I haven’t had much luck replacing Necro. It’s just works really good for me. I know Winterborn is not the greatest, but it’s one that also kind of works really well for me.

    I tried Necro MA Iceheart with the bear yesterday. That freaking bear though. Kept on just standing around, not fighting, Ult refusing to fire off...he had to go. It was an “if you're not with us, you’re against us” kind of moment.

    Oddly enough, MA Necro Zaan and bear Ult has given me the best DPS on this toon. Against the dummy anyways. But that’s straight poo in Maelstrom.
    PlayStation NA
    1000+ CP
    DC Khajit NB The Flawless Conquorer
    DC Argonian Templar Stormproof
    DC Dark Elf Sorc Stormproof
    DC High Elf NB Stormproof
    DC Dark Elf DK Stormproof
    AD Redguard DK Stormproof
    DC Orc Warden Stormproof
    DC Breton Warden Stormproof
    DC Redguard Sorc Stormproof
    DC Redguard Templar Stormproof

    PlayStation EU
    258 CP
    DC Orc Warden Stormproof
  • Ciovala
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    I really like the bear in vMA. I seem to stay alive better with him, but that is probably since I need to work on killing the high DPS targets quicker. The problem is that I swear the bear ultimate only goes off if I smash the button like 5x.
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  • kylewwefan
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    I got Flawless with my StamBlade and so happy with that, but really want it on this guy too!

    I gotta figure something out. Every time I change something I get worse. Tried Master Architect with the bear Ult. That was just frustrating, and just doesn’t work for me. Here anyways.

    Swapped in Mother Sorrow, switched to thief mundus. That only barely got me to %70 Crit front bar, just kind of felt blah. Maybe this could be better for someone else?

    I got a Winterborn Inferno Staff Infused. Hmm. Uh, well I golded it out and threw a frost damage enchant on it and it’s still just not nuking stuff down quite like I want it to.

    To make up for Destro Passives Front Bar

    Changed to Destro Ult on front bar. Lost a crap ton of max magic from losing Northern Storm’s %8 extra max magic. Northern Storm is definitely better there. Maybe it’ll be better with the update. I hope it does.

    I tried putting ele drain in place of the netch. That messed me up pretty good. I’m to used to my crappy rotation already. Can’t change it now. It’s been working right? It diddnt really do me any better anyways.

    I tried swapping to blue food from the gold food. That actually helped more than I thaught it would. Magic sustain is still pretty good.

    Oh yeah, also I use tripots instead of spell power pots. Cause they’re not really needed with this setup.

    I’m going back to working on mechanics and my original setup. The gear chase is getting me nowhere. Everything I do is about the same or possibly worse. Maybe a bloodthirsty jewelry piece could help, but that’s about it.

    Little Side Note

    This exact same setup in battlegrounds does really well. Puts out a ton of damage and sustains like crazy; doesn’t often secure me kills but the group utility is something else.
    PlayStation NA
    1000+ CP
    DC Khajit NB The Flawless Conquorer
    DC Argonian Templar Stormproof
    DC Dark Elf Sorc Stormproof
    DC High Elf NB Stormproof
    DC Dark Elf DK Stormproof
    AD Redguard DK Stormproof
    DC Orc Warden Stormproof
    DC Breton Warden Stormproof
    DC Redguard Sorc Stormproof
    DC Redguard Templar Stormproof

    PlayStation EU
    258 CP
    DC Orc Warden Stormproof
  • remilafo
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    i think you would get better results with lover mundus.
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