Synergy Bomb

psychotic13

Grossly overpowered, needs some sort of fix. 2-3 men taking out 20 in a second. Add VD its like a nuke.

psychotic13

https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/skoobysnaxx95/video/68980201

Heres a random vid of someone on a different server, theyre stam based so the synergy doesn't even scale with there CP. Add a DK to drop his standard the same time with VD and gg.

Turelus

ESO Community: we should be able to 1vX zergs!

Also ESO Community: you shouldn't be able to 1vX zergs!

psychotic13

Turelus wrote: »

ESO Community: we should be able to 1vX zergs!

Also ESO Community: you shouldn't be able to 1vX zergs!

You didnt give your own opinion though.

raasdal

Nah, it's fine.

Qbiken

I think it's fine to be honest. In order to make good use if synergy bombing you need to run a dedicated build for it ,basically 3x Harmony, which is a trade of by itself.

Kadoin

Are you serious? You wanna ball up, you take risk doing so. Those guys look like they died because they weren't observant enough, they were completely unskilled, slow to react, and apparently someone's Earthgore crutch saved them or didn't work (can't really tell).

The sad part is that you would think that a group that large would be smart enough to have someone use timestop, talons, heals, or whatever to stop bombing attempts, but I guess not. Even for a battle vs. each other, both of those "groups" looked to be doing everything wrong.

psychotic13

You do not need a dedicated build, just a certain trait jewellery. Which gives the synergy 105% extra damage. That is a huge AoE spike damage, which can hit hard super hard, it hits harder than almost anything in game how can you say its fine lol.

MalagenR

You also need to be able to survive long enough within the zerg to press a synergy button......I can't believe people these forums sometimes.

Luigi_Vampa

psychotic13 wrote: »

You do not need a dedicated build, just a certain trait jewellery. Which gives the synergy 105% extra damage. That is a huge AoE spike damage, which can hit hard super hard, it hits harder than almost anything in game how can you say its fine lol.

Because it is fine. If any of those players were competent and paying attention they could have survived that. If your Zerg gets blown up by two guys and a Nova, you're the problem, not Harmony.

Get_Packed

Is this a nerf teamwork thread? I hope op is trolling.

Iskiab

Looks to me like vicious death was involved with some very low cp players. It was the cp campaign was it not?

Jules

Nah man, gravity crush (Nova) synergy bombs are honestly fine. To hit high numbers they require:

1) Opponent group to be balled up and usually in tight corners - its a ground based AOE ult. You can walk out of it. So its usefulness in PVP is very situational.
2) Someone to actually synergize, aka group coordination "My nova" *hits synergize*
3) Someone to dedicate their jewelry traits to Harmony, which is a huge sacrifice considering its only useful at the moment of synergizing and useless every other moment. There needs to be a strong synergize tooltip in order to make this trait viable at all.

Neoauspex

Slotting Nova at all is a huge sacrifice, since it takes 40 hours of combat to generate enough ultimate to cast it.

Jules

Turelus wrote: »

ESO Community: we should be able to 1vX zergs!

Also ESO Community: you shouldn't be able to 1vX zergs!

The most logical solution lies somewhere in between. Sometimes.

Sometimes, 1vX should be possible. Skill should win the fight.
Sometimes, 1vX should not be possible. Numbers should win it instead.

idk

psychotic13 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ESO Community: we should be able to 1vX zergs!

Also ESO Community: you shouldn't be able to 1vX zergs!

You didnt give your own opinion though.

It did not seem to be required. It is clear that people come to the forums to complain about what killed them regardless of the situation.

Zergs complain because there is means for a small group to defeat them and small groups complain becaue large groups can defeat them.

It is a vicious circle that keeps us entertained. And, not, I did not give my own opinion.

Jules wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ESO Community: we should be able to 1vX zergs!

Also ESO Community: you shouldn't be able to 1vX zergs!

The most logical solution lies somewhere in between. Sometimes.

Sometimes, 1vX should be possible. Skill should win the fight.
Sometimes, 1vX should not be possible. Numbers should win it instead.

And that is how it actually plays out. Sometimes 1vX is successful. Sometimes it is not.

Stratforge

Turelus wrote: »

ESO Community: we should be able to 1vX zergs!

Also ESO Community: you shouldn't be able to 1vX zergs!

Absolute mind-[snip] that the entire community isn't in lock-step on every issue eh?

[Edit to remove profanity]

Stigant

In my modest oponion, harmony trait is a big sacrifice for individual to promote teamplay and to bring something to the table for his/her group for greater efficiency. It requires teamplay, coordination and timing to get the most out of it.
It can help smaller group to wipe big one but has same effect in a big grpup as well, if it's coordinated and not just a mindless blob.
So, where is the problem? It's a multiplayer game, teamplay is important and this trait offers exactly that. Choosing harmony trait on your jewelry slots is building for teamplay.

Thogard

Synergies take take to set up and activate and have massive visual indicators. They are easily countered by skillful play.

frostz417

Need more abilities like this tbh. You zerglings ruin PvP. Can’t wait for stamVD to come out

frostz417

psychotic13 wrote: »

https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/skoobysnaxx95/video/68980201

Heres a random vid of someone on a different server, theyre stam based so the synergy doesn't even scale with there CP. Add a DK to drop his standard the same time with VD and gg.

Haha never thought I’d see my guildie scoobysnax featured on the forums.. what a day

SkoobySnaxx

im sorry

Irylia

The fix is you have 20 people.
And various ults/heal skills/group sets

montiferus

SkoobySnaxx wrote: »

im sorry

Lol you are famous now.

PS - Im still not putting nova on my backbar lol.

IlCanis_LupuslI

I'm just gonna point this out=
The only times I see this happening is when getting chased by a 8 man group (me and a buddy) he didn't expect it. I saw them using nova and I've heard of that before so I blocked as I saw them using nova. It payed off I only took 8k isch damage through block my buddy in medium got almost 1 banged. So yeah so much for only zergs getting affected by this. Remember as Destro ult was op? "Oh only zergs complain" in the end we had every magica player in the zerg running that ult. Same thing with VD as it was really broken. Based on that experience: In what world do you think 55-60 k talon synergy crits(vs trash ads for testing) or 100k nova synergy crits is balanced? @ZOS_Gilliam I just presume you guys know about this and are monitoring this...

psychotic13

IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »

I'm just gonna point this out=
The only times I see this happening is when getting chased by a 8 man group (me and a buddy) he didn't expect it. I saw them using nova and I've heard of that before so I blocked as I saw them using nova. It payed off I only took 8k isch damage through block my buddy in medium got almost 1 banged. So yeah so much for only zergs getting affected by this. Remember as Destro ult was op? "Oh only zergs complain" in the end we had every magica player in the zerg running that ult. Same thing with VD as it was really broken. Based on that experience: In what world do you think 55-60 k talon synergy crits(vs trash ads for testing) or 100k nova synergy crits is balanced? @ZOS_Gilliam I just presume you guys know about this and are monitoring this...

Someone with a bit of sense.

Everyone moans pvp is broken, spin2win, lag,bleeds, unkillable builds, counterplay, ect ect ect. but its ok to nuke a full group in one synergy? Lol hypocrites. Wait until this is common knowledge and everyones doing it.

frostz417 wrote: »

Need more abilities like this tbh. You zerglings ruin PvP. Can’t wait for stamVD to come out

'You zergings?' Youre assuming i zerg when ive just shared a video from a server im not even on.

Alot of people here saying its a big sacrifice to run harmony, its really not you just have an extra set of jewellery thats been transmuted when you intend to synergy bomb.

To whom ever said theres an indicator, did it look like people have time to see it, let alone counter it. This is one nova, add a dk and you get the standard and talons synergy to. Nova Stuns, Standard Defiles. With VD everyone goes boom.

And dont act like its super difficult to pull off cause its just not. All you have to do is activate a synergy...

Glory

IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »

I'm just gonna point this out=
The only times I see this happening is when getting chased by a 8 man group (me and a buddy) he didn't expect it. I saw them using nova and I've heard of that before so I blocked as I saw them using nova. It payed off I only took 8k isch damage through block my buddy in medium got almost 1 banged. So yeah so much for only zergs getting affected by this. Remember as Destro ult was op? "Oh only zergs complain" in the end we had every magica player in the zerg running that ult. Same thing with VD as it was really broken. Based on that experience: In what world do you think 55-60 k talon synergy crits(vs trash ads for testing) or 100k nova synergy crits is balanced? @ZOS_Gilliam I just presume you guys know about this and are monitoring this...

100k nova crits are nonexistent in realistic PvP scenarios.

psychotic13 wrote: »

Wait until this is common knowledge and everyones doing it.

It already is common knowledge. Good players are either utilizing it, or not. Bad players barely have the bandwidth to slot harmony, let alone use a synergy.

psychotic13 wrote: »

https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/skoobysnaxx95/video/68980201

Heres a random vid of someone on a different server, theyre stam based so the synergy doesn't even scale with there CP. Add a DK to drop his standard the same time with VD and gg.

This post shows your ignorance of the topic - it's not the Nova caster's Champion Points that affect the synergy damage, it's the synergizer. In this case, the mNB who almost definitely has well-placed CP.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

LOL! Love the bombers!

Thogard

psychotic13 wrote: »

IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »

I'm just gonna point this out=
The only times I see this happening is when getting chased by a 8 man group (me and a buddy) he didn't expect it. I saw them using nova and I've heard of that before so I blocked as I saw them using nova. It payed off I only took 8k isch damage through block my buddy in medium got almost 1 banged. So yeah so much for only zergs getting affected by this. Remember as Destro ult was op? "Oh only zergs complain" in the end we had every magica player in the zerg running that ult. Same thing with VD as it was really broken. Based on that experience: In what world do you think 55-60 k talon synergy crits(vs trash ads for testing) or 100k nova synergy crits is balanced? @ZOS_Gilliam I just presume you guys know about this and are monitoring this...

Someone with a bit of sense.

Everyone moans pvp is broken, spin2win, lag,bleeds, unkillable builds, counterplay, ect ect ect. but its ok to nuke a full group in one synergy? Lol hypocrites. Wait until this is common knowledge and everyones doing it.

frostz417 wrote: »

Need more abilities like this tbh. You zerglings ruin PvP. Can’t wait for stamVD to come out

'You zergings?' Youre assuming i zerg when ive just shared a video from a server im not even on.

Alot of people here saying its a big sacrifice to run harmony, its really not you just have an extra set of jewellery thats been transmuted when you intend to synergy bomb.

To whom ever said theres an indicator, did it look like people have time to see it, let alone counter it. This is one nova, add a dk and you get the standard and talons synergy to. Nova Stuns, Standard Defiles. With VD everyone goes boom.

And dont act like its super difficult to pull off cause its just not. All you have to do is activate a synergy...

People have tons of time to see it. You can’t activate the nova synergy immediately. Synergies are odd with timing - it usually needs to be on the ground for one to two seconds before the synergy indicator appears... plenty of time for people paying attention to get out of range.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Glory wrote: »

IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »

I'm just gonna point this out=
The only times I see this happening is when getting chased by a 8 man group (me and a buddy) he didn't expect it. I saw them using nova and I've heard of that before so I blocked as I saw them using nova. It payed off I only took 8k isch damage through block my buddy in medium got almost 1 banged. So yeah so much for only zergs getting affected by this. Remember as Destro ult was op? "Oh only zergs complain" in the end we had every magica player in the zerg running that ult. Same thing with VD as it was really broken. Based on that experience: In what world do you think 55-60 k talon synergy crits(vs trash ads for testing) or 100k nova synergy crits is balanced? @ZOS_Gilliam I just presume you guys know about this and are monitoring this...

100k nova crits are nonexistent in realistic PvP scenarios.

psychotic13 wrote: »

Wait until this is common knowledge and everyones doing it.

It already is common knowledge. Good players are either utilizing it, or not. Bad players barely have the bandwidth to slot harmony, let alone use a synergy.

psychotic13 wrote: »

https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/skoobysnaxx95/video/68980201

Heres a random vid of someone on a different server, theyre stam based so the synergy doesn't even scale with there CP. Add a DK to drop his standard the same time with VD and gg.

This post shows your ignorance of the topic - it's not the Nova caster's Champion Points that affect the synergy damage, it's the synergizer. In this case, the mNB who almost definitely has well-placed CP.

As I clearly stated that was vs trash adds for testing devide it by 3 and you have a good rrule of thumb what it will do to real people. Stupidly broken imo

DrFail

Wait guys just give me a week I wanna play with the cheese before they nerf it